RPGM My New Life: Revamp [v0.98.6] [Beggar of Net]

[Fedakuznecov]

Yes, such developers cannot be trusted, one complete scam

 

[chunkas]

The illusion of deception (excerpt from a conspiracy note on how not to succumb to the tricks of scammers-beggars)
OK. Of course we are all upset that a Beggar did not release the long-awaited update with Lucy at the end of this
month, as promised. But let's ask ourselves honestly: Did I really believe that a Beggar would not deceive me again and
fulfill his promise? Asked?
Well, well, well. Perhaps there are those who believed and hoped until the very end? There are such people! Severe case Well, then from now on try not to forget the saying: If something happens twice, it will happen a third time.
And so let's get back to our main discussion question: Why haven't many devoted fans of a Beggar abandoned him YET? Do you have any ideas? Ok.
So, one of my main ideas is that he communicates with them using signs, hmmm, some conditional signals that they
understand well.

Unclear?
Ok, let's take a concrete example. Let's say from the last:

So it became clearer? That is, his devoted fans do not pay attention to all that nonsense, all that Blah-Blah-Blah, which he writes to calm the bulk of the uninitiated. They just see the corresponding "signs"!
To be continued ...

 

[Nolimitsl8d]

Honestly i think it's taking bagger so long because because all of us are bitching at the devs and that's making them frustrated

 

[QnotU]

Honestly i think it's taking bagger so long because because all of us are bitching at the devs and that's making them frustrated

That is not an excuse for poor time management, broken promises, lackluster communication, and Beggar's often antagonistic demeanor with most of his audience.

All devs receive some amount of complaints, bitchy people, etc. yet none of them take it out on the audience like Beg does. Just recently, devs like Dr Pinkcake and What Why games came under fire due to the extended wait time for updates, and both of them addressed it in a professional, non confrontational way. They also do a better job at handling criticism leveled at them since they understand that it is constructive, and not personal.

Beggar does none of those things well that the other devs do. The only people he allows in his discord are the ones who kiss his ass and congratulate him for delivering an update months late, applaud his weeks, often months of no contact, and celebrate the broken messes that the updates are.

They should be frustrated that their updates suck, and their skill as a dev has gotten worse over time. Them being mad at people that actual want a quality product they are paying for is delusional, and frankly abominable.

 

[chunkas]

Honestly i think it's taking bagger so long because because all of us are bitching at the devs and that's making them frustrated

There's something in that, bro. After all, game dev's are creative natures with a subtle mental organization. After all, we all probably overreact too much. And imagine what happens if a Beggar gets offended and completely abandons the project? Oh, no!!! My beloved Lucy, I will never see you again I just drive such thoughts away from me.

 

[Swalexxx]

They should be frustrated that their updates suck, and their skill as a dev has gotten worse over time. Them being mad at people that actual want a quality product they are paying for is delusional, and frankly abominable.

While I can agree with most of what you said,
they're not actually paying for a product, they're paying to support an artist.

Just because you throw money in the hat doesn't entitle you to make demands.

Having said that he's clearly in way over his head, even before his health issues.
I still don't get why he gives himself these self imposed deadlines on updates.
Most devs just give a percentage update and only post a date when they know they can deliver.

Frankly, if at this point you still get upset at his antics I'mma call that a you problem.

 

[chunkas]

I still don't get why he gives himself these self imposed deadlines on updates.

He clearly planned to release the latest update with Lucy for the World Cup that is currently taking place. This is when talk about his "poor time management". Something went wrong as usual. On November 23, Spain defeated Costa Rica with a score of 7-0. Tomorrow is the game with Germany. Maybe he's just a devoted football fan? Then now he's definitely not up to the release of game.

 

[QnotU]

While I can agree with most of what you said,
they're not actually paying for a product, they're paying to support an artist.

Just because you throw money in the hat doesn't entitle you to make demands.

Having said that he's clearly in way over his head, even before his health issues.
I still don't get why he gives himself these self imposed deadlines on updates.
Most devs just give a percentage update and only post a date when they know they can deliver.

Frankly, if at this point you still get upset at his antics I'mma call that a you problem.

I see where you are trying to come from, but your argument doesnt hold water.

People are paying to support an artist, or in this case a dev, yes. However, if the developer doesnt meet expectations, or starts making a product that people do not like, then that developer runs the risk of losing their audience. It has happened several times before (coughcoughicstorcoughcough). Its the same idea as the famous saying "don't bite the hand that feeds you". Asking someone to do the bare minimum as a developer, and communicate with their audience, deliver updates when they say they are going to, and not be an asshole is not a "demand".

I do absolutely agree that he needs to stop giving deadlines that he cannot meet. I, and a lot of people here, understand that delays happen due to unforseen circumstances. With Botn, these circumstances are constant.

Finally, at this point I am not even really bothered by not getting the update. If anything I am more pissed that Beggar had the audacity to put censored sex scenes in the files as a middle finger to his audience. To this day, I have not seen an adult developer disrespect their audience in the way that he has.

 

[Swalexxx]

Asking someone to do the bare minimum as a developer, and communicate with their audience, deliver updates when they say they are going to, and not be an asshole is not a "demand".

Like I said, I agree with all that.

I simply disagreed with your statement of it being a "product they are paying for".
And that, as an artist on Patreon, he's simply under no obligation to do anything that is "asked" of him by his patrons.

If the consequence of his behavior means he loses support, that's on him.

And as for it not being a demand, there's a fine line between asking and demanding,
but this being the internet and reading thru the comments here,
I assumed there's not a lot of "asking nicely" being done
(I'd be happy to be wrong, ofcourse)

 

[ZoneIT]

The fact that are people still defending begger and creating excuses for him is the most insane thing ever.
The other insane thing is that they are here in this forum and reporting to begger everything we are saying
At this point, people are not even supporting the porn of the game ...they are just throwing money away to piss off the other side of people that hates begger.
And the argument that he should not put deadlines and release when he wants is even more stupid and people abuse of it"imagine you create a company and you get contracted to do something for someone and you tell them you will get it done when we fell like it...imagine the reaction of that person...you will look like a complete clown"
When you put a deadline, you put an objective for you to prove that you are a person worth the trust of others...
Deadlines sell, Erotic Art sells, Trust sells...
I will open a Patreon and say that i will make the best game ever and release it when it's good and ready give me money, please

Maybe WW3 is not such a bad idea...

 

[SaintLaurent233]

How can something like this happen? putting in a plug in that DESTROYS your entire game making it unplayable… Also why does he say he needs a couple of day and then straight after he says he is releasing it at the end of december. There is no way his discord is quiet and people are calm, I would be fumming if something like this happen. Why does he keep giving dates if he isnt 100% that he is going to be finished by that point???? Just embarrassing

 

[chunkas]

How can something like this happen? putting in a plug in that DESTROYS your entire game making it unplayable… Also why does he say he needs a couple of day and then straight after he says he is releasing it at the end of december. There is no way his discord is quiet and people are calm, I would be fumming if something like this happen. Why does he keep giving dates if he isnt 100% that he is going to be finished by that point???? Just embarrassing

Relax, bro. As soon as Spain crashes out of the World Cup, then maybe a Beggar will return to the game. Maybe he's in Qatar right now. If so, then I silently envy him. You collected money from subscribers and basket in the southern sun with hot girls:

Spain, go, go!
But what about the update? Will be soon.

 

[Symphony of the Night]

Added fix:
Russian mafia Ivanna bug

Thanks to Dereck112 for letting me know

 

[- ZAIKO -]

He's already given up on the game.

 

[chunkas]

He's already given up on the game.

Where did you get this info from?
If so, then he has one more step left to take: to give up the money of patrons. What about this?

 

[jani_g100]

I am stuck again
"Complete training with tina and comeback to house someday"
how do I find tina and who is She?

 

[- ZAIKO -]

Where did you get this info from?
If so, then he has one more step left to take: to give up the money of patrons. What about this?

Kind of obvious. Or you invest good money in your game building a good team (Coders, etc.), after all, this is the main way to earn money. Or leave it to the moths.

Unfortunately most of his Patrons must faithfully defend this game, as well as many others.

 

[chunkas]

Kind of obvious. Or you invest good money in your game building a good team (Coders, etc.), after all, this is the main way to earn money. Or leave it to the moths.

Unfortunately most of his Patrons must faithfully defend this game, as well as many others.

Hmmm, to the moths? Maybe for years?
I just thought you had some inside. Listen, BoN was going to make a game with his own arts. Don't you know anything about it?

 

[- ZAIKO -]

Hmmm, to the moths? Maybe for years?
I just thought you had some inside. Listen, BoN was going to make a game with his own arts. Don't you know anything about it?

In my opinion, this game with his own art will never see the light of day.

 

[david123]

Kind of obvious. Or you invest good money in your game building a good team (Coders, etc.), after all, this is the main way to earn money. Or leave it to the moths.

Unfortunately most of his Patrons must faithfully defend this game, as well as many others.

I think there is a word for it : where someone irrationally defends something they have a lot of investment in. Its similar to StarCitizen fans who have spent thousands of dollars backing the game and still cannot accept the fact that 10 - 15 years is a bit too long for a game to be still in development. If anyone knows the word for this behavior please let me know.