dontcarewhateverno

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I actually don't remember many AVNs that let you skip sex content. You can avoid it but often some characters require you to engage with the other characters, or during the story there's forced content
"you can avoid it" = same thing. I don't mean a box that pops up like "do you want to skip this"? Most well designed VNs have paths you can avoid or choose alternates of for all or most side character & side kink content. If/when sex scenes are unavoidable in those games, they're mainly scenes with the main love interest, which makes sense as it may be critical to plot development (plus who'd play a game where you're not interested in the main LI).

This game itself even has kinks and scenes you can choose an alternative to in other portions of the game.
 

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"you can avoid it" = same thing. I don't mean a box that pops up like "do you want to skip this"? Most well designed VNs have paths you can avoid or choose alternates of for all or most side character & side kink content. If/when sex scenes are unavoidable in those games, they're mainly scenes with the main love interest, which makes sense as it may be critical to plot development (plus who'd play a game where you're not interested in the main LI).

This game itself even has kinks and scenes you can choose an alternative to in other portions of the game.
I didn't mean the pop up box, I meant the options to not engage in the content. I tried a fair few VNs, and no matter how I tried to avoid stuff, you usually still get railroaded into it
 

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I didn't mean the pop up box, I meant the options to not engage in the content. I tried a fair few VNs, and no matter how I tried to avoid stuff, you usually still get railroaded into it
I was specifying well-designed VNs. We may be playing very different VNs or have different ideas of what that is, though. I usually drag most VNs I find on here into the trash after 5 min due to design or writing issues. That also includes games with walls of text & little to no choices, so maybe there's some self-selecting going on (games with little to no choices in the beginning would also likely not have path options for sex scenes later in the game). Of games that seem good enough to play through for me, they almost always have these sorts of choices later once it gets to sex scenarios.
 

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I didn't mean the pop up box, I meant the options to not engage in the content. I tried a fair few VNs, and no matter how I tried to avoid stuff, you usually still get railroaded into it
Hint: the N in VN stands for 'novel'. Novels usually have quite a predetermined narrative structure, and no matter how many times and editions of 'War and Peace' one reads, they'll be reading a story they've absolutely no influence over. I know that V for Virtual is supposed to denote the 'choose your adventure' type of reading experience, but nah, that seldom happens. While most devs of games in these formats are convinced they're creative enough to be able to construct an engaging, truly multi-branching piece of literature... they're not - barely able to pull off two 'flavors' to their scenes, as in 'be nice/be a dick' or 'fuck pink/fuck stink'.
 

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Some semantics going on here maybe. I consider "games" with basically no choices to be more digital comics. And choose-your-own style games that don't actually allow you to "choose your own" to be... just sort of bad & not worth playing, usually. You at least need the illusion of choice. Which even this game actually pulls off well in various parts of it (just not here). If it didn't, I wouldn't be playing it up to this point.

Without personal agency, or at least the feeling of it, might as well just watch porn or put on a movie.
 
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I was specifying well-designed VNs. We may be playing very different VNs or have different ideas of what that is, though. I usually drag most VNs I find on here into the trash after 5 min due to design or writing issues. That also includes games with walls of text & little to no choices, so maybe there's some self-selecting going on (games with little to no choices in the beginning would also likely not have path options for sex scenes later in the game). Of games that seem good enough to play through for me, they almost always have these sorts of choices later once it gets to sex scenarios.
I wouldn't drag most into "trash", but I would into "Too similar to other VNs", which doesn't always mean that they are bad, so yeah, different ideas.

The only VNs I know that don't railroad into sex (or at least let you avoid it) are Once In A Lifetime, Eternum (probably at least...) Mystic Manor. Maybe House In The Rift but been a while since I played it so maybe I am misremembering
 

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Hint: the N in VN stands for 'novel'. Novels usually have quite a predetermined narrative structure, and no matter how many times and editions of 'War and Peace' one reads, they'll be reading a story they've absolutely no influence over. I know that V for Virtual is supposed to denote the 'choose your adventure' type of reading experience, but nah, that seldom happens. While most devs of games in these formats are convinced they're creative enough to be able to construct an engaging, truly multi-branching piece of literature... they're not - barely able to pull off two 'flavors' to their scenes, as in 'be nice/be a dick' or 'fuck pink/fuck stink'.
I think V stands for Visual? Anyways, that is my point and grievance, it's supposed to be a game yet you don't get much of a choice. The saving grace is that the choice is "do you wanna do the sex" and why most people would you play a porn game and not want to do the sex
 

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I wouldn't drag most into "trash", but I would into "Too similar to other VNs", which doesn't always mean that they are bad, so yeah, different ideas.

The only VNs I know that don't railroad into sex (or at least let you avoid it) are Once In A Lifetime, Eternum (probably at least...) Mystic Manor. Maybe House In The Rift but been a while since I played it so maybe I am misremembering
Just to clarify again, we're also really speaking of alternatives, which could be bypassing a scene/route entirely or providing an alternative sexual situation + also not referring to main love interest - as they're the main reason for playing - but side characters, unless the main LI has a weird side-fetish option not generally related to the game. Like "no, I'll opt out of that finger in my ass" is pretty typical unless the game is entitled "dominant ass-play buttsluts".

Would probably clarify things more to list the sort of games that don't have the option. It makes sense for certain types of games/settings but not for the choose-your-own-adventure sorts of VNs I have in mind. ORS/GGGB, Healslut, Tabletop Bornstar, Long Story Short, Summertime Saga, Sexbot, Nothing is Forever, Dr Amana, all examples of VN style games where specific scenarios aren't railroaded or at least provide alternatives. As an aside, I'd consider something like What A Legend to be more of a point-&-click adventure puzzle game concept rather than a choose-your-own-adventure style VN. Traditionally attractive characters in less niche situations also, which would facilitate less desire/need for alternative options. Though even it had alternate options for some if I can recall. (It's been a while).
 
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