Ren'Py Mythic Manor [v0.22] [Jikei]

[CptValor]

The thing with this one is they don't, like, hinge anything on the support. They're not begging for it, they're not keeping releases locked behind it. MM has, for years, been a very "sure if you want but no promises" sort of affair for monetary support, and openly so. But weird nerds want to seem cool and above-it-all, so every time MM gets some news they flock to the thread to necro the same whining again

yeah thats gonna be the case in just about any forum for games on this site! i was trying to encapsulate all occurrences like that because of it being the same thing everywhere you go! it seems to me that people just want something to complain about! it doesnt really matter the topic or situation, some just feel the need to be complaining about something all the time! if they put the same effort into praising good things that happen instead of trying to tear things down... idk maybe we wouldnt see so many projects get abandoned! negativity only breeds negativity! and this world could use more positive voices out there! i was taught when i was young that "if you cant say something nice, dont say anything at all!"

while calling someone out on their wrongdoing is fine and giving constructive criticsm is fine, being angry and complaining about paying for content from a creator online where people know content comes out in a time period that isnt as quick as they would like it to be sounds like an excuse and people trying to cope with the fact that they didnt discontinue payment when they didnt get what they want! i guess thats my long winded way of saying "sucks to be them"!

 

[Meludan]

I was Patreon for a long time. And was 50$ (was that one of the highest tiers? Don't remember) until i stopped last year due the lack of updates and no information at all.
I get it, you can burn out with those games. Still crying about Magical Camp or Intern of Exctasy Island (dmn, I miss this games wholeheartedly) but not giving the people any vocal update is a no go. If you have to deal with shit in your life, just say so. I understand that. The world is a harsh and cold place, take your time. So people know what is going on and will understand the missing content for a brief amount of time. But not saying anything and still getting paid is not a good behaviour.
Maybe I'll reconsider being a Patreon but for that I want to see action (in this case Updates and Information about what is going on)
I love MM it's an awesome game for me. But closing the Main Story now seems a little bit rushed (at least with Nefari). I haven't felt that we're anywhere close to the end of any story with the girls. That leaves me sceptical. Maybe I'm wrong but I hoped for more Main Events. But we'll see what will happen.

 

[CondomsAreForPussies]

is this game close to finish? im planning to play when its completed. I think i last played like 0.9 or 0.11 or something

 

[hoshimota]

is this game close to finish? im planning to play when its completed. I think i last played like 0.9 or 0.11 or something

Then you might want to look into getting cryogenically frozen at this rate.

 

[TheDevian]

is this game close to finish? im planning to play when its completed. I think i last played like 0.9 or 0.11 or something

I would not hold my breath on that one. I would not expect it to be 'complete' for a very long time.

 

[hoshimota]

I would not hold my breath on that one. I would not expect it to be 'complete' for a very long time.

 

[randomguy6516265165]

I was Patreon for a long time. And was 50$ (was that one of the highest tiers? Don't remember) until i stopped last year due the lack of updates and no information at all.
I get it, you can burn out with those games. Still crying about Magical Camp or Intern of Exctasy Island (dmn, I miss this games wholeheartedly) but not giving the people any vocal update is a no go. If you have to deal with shit in your life, just say so. I understand that. The world is a harsh and cold place, take your time. So people know what is going on and will understand the missing content for a brief amount of time. But not saying anything and still getting paid is not a good behaviour.
Maybe I'll reconsider being a Patreon but for that I want to see action (in this case Updates and Information about what is going on)
I love MM it's an awesome game for me. But closing the Main Story now seems a little bit rushed (at least with Nefari). I haven't felt that we're anywhere close to the end of any story with the girls. That leaves me sceptical. Maybe I'm wrong but I hoped for more Main Events. But we'll see what will happen.

dont tell me they are going to pull out a SHELTER or personal trainer and rush the ending part of the game ruining all the work they made

 

[aslevjal]

I completely forgot that I had this game in my "Watched" category...
For version 0.21, I'm pretty sure Jikei will introduce a new character: himself in the role of a sexy necromancer-beast who toys with the corpse of his long-dead creations and the hearts of his audience.

 

[Meludan]

dont tell me they are going to pull out a SHELTER or personal trainer and rush the ending part of the game ruining all the work they made

Not like this I think, they want to "finish" the Story with Nefari. So that this doesn't get Events anymore maybe? But I doubt that somehow. Maybe more of a change from single events to events like the sunday events. We can only guess what tht means. This game is otherwise far from finished.

 

[Husmi]

first i wanna say, i get it! i understand that everyone out there feels like their getting burned by giving money to devs who take forever (or just dont) deliver your spank material! i get it, i get frustrated too! and while some may just be blowin smoke and makin excuses, there are some that may actualy be having a rough go of it! lifes a bitch sometimes and i can attest from personal experience that the old saying "shit rolls downhill" is true! im not trying to use this to give devs a pass because if people are payin you then yeah, they should be kickin something out or at least let people know things might be a while before any product is released!

however, if your a patron and you dont like paying the dev that isnt putting out content then you can always stop paying! why does it have to fall on the dev (who if their storys are correct) is dealing with lifes shitstorm and had to remember to take time out to stop receiving payment to make the haters happy! it could very well be that some patrons dont mind being charitable and paying to help the dev out of a tough spot in their life! look in the end its your money and your responsibility to stop payments if you feel you arent getting your moneys worth! just sayin!

maybe im too trusting, but i know how hard life can kick your ass sometimes so i like to give people the benefit of the doubt! it will be good to see some new content for Mythic Manor soon so at least theres that to look forward to! anyway, this was just my opinion on things... take it or leave it!

I agree that life happens, or as I normally say, "shit happens", but it's also true that devs can stop billing when they're not working, idk anything about this dev's patreon, so I'm not talking about him, but I've seen it so many times, that people say the same as you, that life happens and they might be in a bad time, so they can't work, ok, but if you don't stop billing, there is no excuse to stop working, if you are a dev, and want to stop for some time, you should also stop the billing on patreon, since people pay you to develop the game they like, yes, they can just stop the sub on patreon, but this devs normally don't tell you that they're taking a break, because they know if they did, a lot of people would stop giving them money, so, in my opinion, unless the dev stops billing, and comunicates properly to their patreons, doesn't matter how bad they're having it, it falls on them, and this type of devs make it harder to make money for the devs that actually care, because a lot of people can't trust any dev now.

Another problem is that there is 0 accountability on Patreon, for people that just disappear with the money, or keep the patreon open but they really abandoned the game, which also makes it harder to trust any dev, when you know most of the games you see are going to get abandoned, and never reach the completed point, people might want to pay the devs, but most people doesn't have that much money to spare, and they are not here to give the little money they have as if they were just giving money to a ONG (I think it's translated as NGO? (basically charity)) they expect something in return, and it's the dev responsability to do their part, and if they can't, either give a good excuse, or at least comunicate properly so people can decide to stop.

 

[CptValor]

I agree that life happens, or as I normally say, "shit happens", but it's also true that devs can stop billing when they're not working, idk anything about this dev's patreon, so I'm not talking about him, but I've seen it so many times, that people say the same as you, that life happens and they might be in a bad time, so they can't work, ok, but if you don't stop billing, there is no excuse to stop working, if you are a dev, and want to stop for some time, you should also stop the billing on patreon, since people pay you to develop the game they like, yes, they can just stop the sub on patreon, but this devs normally don't tell you that they're taking a break, because they know if they did, a lot of people would stop giving them money, so, in my opinion, unless the dev stops billing, and comunicates properly to their patreons, doesn't matter how bad they're having it, it falls on them, and this type of devs make it harder to make money for the devs that actually care, because a lot of people can't trust any dev now.

Another problem is that there is 0 accountability on Patreon, for people that just disappear with the money, or keep the patreon open but they really abandoned the game, which also makes it harder to trust any dev, when you know most of the games you see are going to get abandoned, and never reach the completed point, people might want to pay the devs, but most people doesn't have that much money to spare, and they are not here to give the little money they have as if they were just giving money to a ONG (I think it's translated as NGO? (basically charity)) they expect something in return, and it's the dev responsability to do their part, and if they can't, either give a good excuse, or at least comunicate properly so people can decide to stop.

i can feel ya on that sentiment! i get it! there are devs that skip out and take peoples money and thats a definite issue and i get that if a dev is having issues with their life it would be the courteous thing to do to shut down payments and/or communicate this with their audience! the thing is (and i know this from experience) that when the shit hits the fan you dont always have the luxury to stop and go "oh i better stop payments on patreon and write a big apology post to my donors!" stuff like that is usually the last thing on your mind! then again some people just havent been taught how to be courteous either and feel like its not their responsibility to do any of that kind of stuff and have the mentality that if they dont want their account charged they will stop payments themselves! that leads me back to the point i was making in my previous post that as a consumer if you arent getting the goods and services your paying for then you stop paying for a product you arent getting! if you pay for a streaming service like netflix or whatever and there isnt anything there that you like then you stop paying! you wont see netflix ask you if you wanna stop paying because you havent watched it in a while! its ultimately the responsibility of the consumer!

im not trying to say that the point you were making wasnt valid because it certainly was and you made a good point in your post! however you make the statement about there being zero accountability on patreon but if im not mistaken there is a clause in the EULA they make you agree to when you sign up for an account that any funds transferred are done so at the risk of the person donating the money. thus if any legal action were to be looked into the people who run patreon would ask if stopped payment to the individual in question first and foremost! im not 100% on this and others can correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure this is in there so that patreon covers their own ass in case something like this blows up into a big scene!

ultimately, both sides of the argument have merit and i made my initial post because like you i had seen a lot of people (not just on this thread) pop in on a newbie account just to talk shit about how the dev hasnt updated in a long time so he must be a scammer! this is also a rough deal on a dev whos just taking his time to make his game/VN or whatever good and is bombarded with people calling them a scammer and scaring away other patrons or even causing the dev to give up and abandon their game! so its a vicious circle and its the internet so people just post and dont give a shit! i personally think its an issue that needs work on both ends but i really dont see a solution happening anytime soon!

 

[Husmi]

that leads me back to the point i was making in my previous post that as a consumer if you arent getting the goods and services your paying for then you stop paying for a product you arent getting!

I somewhat agree and disagree, with Netflix, as you said later, you can see what there is in the shop at any time, and you can look for news on when will new content be released, but in patreon, my problem is when you only get an update every 6 months, by the time you see that the dev is not delivering, you have already been there for months, there is where I see the problem, that ofc, is solved with devs that do the billing on release, and not as a sub service, but those are rare as far as I know.

ultimately, both sides of the argument have merit and i made my initial post because like you i had seen a lot of people (not just on this thread) pop in on a newbie account just to talk shit about how the dev hasnt updated in a long time so he must be a scammer! this is also a rough deal on a dev whos just taking his time to make his game/VN or whatever good and is bombarded with people calling them a scammer and scaring away other patrons or even causing the dev to give up and abandon their game! so its a vicious circle and its the internet so people just post and dont give a shit! i personally think its an issue that needs work on both ends but i really dont see a solution happening anytime soon!

Yes, a lot of devs have it harder, even if they're good devs, because of the amount of "bad" devs we see all the time, but that's what happens with everything, same with AI, it's getting a lot of hate, but AI is just a tool, and if you use it well, it's a very good tool, that can speed a lot of processes that take a lot of time for humans to make, also AI can make a very repetitive task without making mistakes, that a human would make because monotony normally ends up with people doing the task "braindead" and may not notice a mistake, but, because a lot of people use AI to just make everything, we see a lot of people hating just because something uses AI, I feel like it's the same with Patreon, it's a good tool for devs that want to work making games, that is missused by others that don't take it seriously enough, and give bad rep to others, right now, there are no more than 3 devs that I would 100% trust (on top of my mind, maybe there are more), and that's because they have a few completed games, and good comunication with their followers, but there is 0 chance, that I would trust a new dev with 0 completed games, because all the "bad apples" there are around, and that hurts the chances of good games getting attention, and finished eventually.

Well, it's been nice to see another point of view too, at the end, I can't really say if a dev is scamming, because at the end they might take a 1 year break and come back, the point there is where each person decides what's a scam, for me, if a dev keeps billing while he is not actively working on the project, that's a scam, but others might say that as long as he delivers at some point, it's not a scam, we can only hope that at some point, we can see the games finished, and enjoy the stories the devs want to tell in those games.

 

[BebopPiggo]

So... March 1, and no update. Per Patreon: " v0.21 has finally made it to the stage where I can say it will be ready this month or very soon after. "

How long do we give him before we consider this an additional stain on his credibility? Two more weeks with no beta?
(Bear in mind, there are usually several weeks of pre-release, so it doesn't go out to everyone until over a month after a beta. Also, last Patreon post was on Feb 5, so no notice of a delay, or update on status, just three weeks of silence)

 

[BebopPiggo]

Reading is a skill

Is that public info? It isn't in this thread, twitter, or the Patreon, so I'm not sure where I'm expected to have read that.
Did you get it from the discord?

If true, fair play to Jikei for following through.

edit: drea2, I don't want to gum up the thread, just want to be clear on the source of the release time text you posted. Was it in regard to a different game? Or info from another source?

 

[drea2]

Is that public info? It isn't in this thread, twitter, or the Patreon, so I'm not sure where I'm expected to have read that.
Did you get it from the discord?

If true, fair play to Jikei for following through.

Wrong thread

 

[DigDug69]

Wrong thread

That member goes from thread to thread, whining about games that have a known slow release schedule.
Most of the regulars in another game he has been whining about, have already added him to their ignore lists.

 

[BebopPiggo]

That member goes from thread to thread, whining about games that have a known slow release schedule.
Most of the regulars in another game he has been whining about, have already added him to their ignore lists.

But you just can't quit me, can ya, Puddin'? (づ ￣ ³￣)づ
You're tripping over yourself to back up a comment that was deleted, because it was posted in the wrong thread, for a different game, just so you have a chance to take a shot at me.

 

[Corvus Belli]

But you just can't quit me, can ya, Puddin'? (づ ￣ ³￣)づ

I mean... you're the one whose signature is specifically about that guy.
He doesn't seem to be the one with an unhealthy fixation here, chief.
You get that, right?

 

[Net-Bunny]

Patreon update from just an hour ago:

"Hey everyone, we are currently in the final testing phase for Mythic Manor v0.21. The new update will be released within the next few days, keep an eye out!"

 

[BebopPiggo]

I mean... you're the one whose signature is specifically about that guy.
He doesn't seem to be the one with an unhealthy fixation here, chief.
You get that, right?

Sig is new, he's been at this for months over nothing. He also claims to have me blocked, but can't help himself, and keeps peeping my posts to start stuff. I usually don't respond to him directly, but if he's going to to hover around literally everything I'm going to say throwing rocks from behind other people, maybe the context should be ready at hand, yeah?