tmu500

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I am playing the game from start, the animations are not good at start, hopefully it would be better as game continues.
 

bobdango

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This game really need quest log type box on the side of the screen saying what activities you can do at the current time and the ability to simply click on the one you want. I don't like having to navigate pointless sandboxes.
 

TheDevian

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This game really need quest log type box on the side of the screen saying what activities you can do at the current time and the ability to simply click on the one you want. I don't like having to navigate pointless sandboxes.
It has a quest log, you click on the girl's profile, and it tells you what to do.

If you don't like sandboxes, why play them? I don't like kinetic novels with nothing to do but pointlessly tapping enter, so I don't play them.
 

bobdango

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It has a quest log, you click on the girl's profile, and it tells you what to do.

If you don't like sandboxes, why play them? I don't like kinetic novels with nothing to do but pointlessly tapping enter, so I don't play them.
The characters and story are the main thing I play these games for and I do like those aspect of this game. It just sucks when those are held hostage by the sandbox format. Sandbox is just pointlessly clicking different spots rather then anywhere. If this was a 3D traversal game then at least it would be something more but it isn't.

I could say If you don't like pointlessly tapping enter in a VN you can turn on auto-forward but I don't think the real problem is the enter spamming.
 

TheDevian

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The characters and story are the main thing I play these games for and I do like those aspect of this game. It just sucks when those are held hostage by the sandbox format. Sandbox is just pointlessly clicking different spots rather then anywhere. If this was a 3D traversal game then at least it would be something more but it isn't.

I could say If you don't like pointlessly tapping enter in a VN you can turn on auto-forward but I don't think the real problem is the enter spamming.
No, it tells you what to do, and where to go. It is the freedom to go where you want, and to do what you want, when you want to do it. You don't pointlessly click, it allows for you to do the story if you want, or just go fuck around if you want. You can do anything you want to do. It's all about freedom and choice.

I can hold skip until I see tits too, which is what I do when I end up trying one, because without something to actually do, I get bored way too fast, and can't bring myself to care about the story or the rest of the so called 'game'. I am here to play games, not just to skip badly written story. I need to have things to do to keep my attention, or I just tune it out. I would rather be working than wasting my time on something so mind-numbingly boring.

But like I said, this game tells you what to do if you look, it's not that difficult. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
 

bobdango

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No, it tells you what to do, and where to go. It is the freedom to go where you want, and to do what you want, when you want to do it. You don't pointlessly click, it allows for you to do the story if you want, or just go fuck around if you want. You can do anything you want to do. It's all about freedom and choice.

I can hold skip until I see tits too, which is what I do when I end up trying one, because without something to actually do, I get bored way too fast, and can't bring myself to care about the story or the rest of the so called 'game'. I am here to play games, not just to skip badly written story. I need to have things to do to keep my attention, or I just tune it out. I would rather be working than wasting my time on something so mind-numbingly boring.

But like I said, this game tells you what to do if you look, it's not that difficult. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
I understand its not difficult to find out what to do next. This game is also one of the easiest games in that aspect as well. But having to click through every profile just to see if there is something to do at the current in game time is pointlessly added steps. One could add a menu with each character allowing the player to go straight to their next event. I don't see having option on how to play being a bad thing. It would allow those who aren't big fans of Sandbox games to still focus on story with minimal interference while still allowing sandbox lovers to play in one. Also having a single menu showing all available current events for the in game time is just a nice QoL.

I am actually the opposite when it comes to what I skip. Most sex scenes I skip unless I am REALLY into the character. I also rarely like busy work (fuck around stuff) in most sandbox games. The things like minigames are just not fun because they are very simple the reward for them is normally very boring. Most extra things in sandbox adult games I could go play a game dedicated to them and get a lot more out of them.

I am curious if you like movies or tv shows? They sound like everything you don't like in VNs just without the clicking. If you do like tv and movies wouldn't a VN work for you when in the mood for that type of media?
 

TheDevian

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I understand its not difficult to find out what to do next. This game is also one of the easiest games in that aspect as well. But having to click through every profile just to see if there is something to do at the current in game time is pointlessly added steps. One could add a menu with each character allowing the player to go straight to their next event. I don't see having option on how to play being a bad thing. It would allow those who aren't big fans of Sandbox games to still focus on story with minimal interference while still allowing sandbox lovers to play in one. Also having a single menu showing all available current events for the in game time is just a nice QoL.

I am actually the opposite when it comes to what I skip. Most sex scenes I skip unless I am REALLY into the character. I also rarely like busy work (fuck around stuff) in most sandbox games. The things like minigames are just not fun because they are very simple the reward for them is normally very boring. Most extra things in sandbox adult games I could go play a game dedicated to them and get a lot more out of them.

I am curious if you like movies or tv shows? They sound like everything you don't like in VNs just without the clicking. If you do like tv and movies wouldn't a VN work for you when in the mood for that type of media?
You could, but then you would ruin the free roam part, and it would cover most of the screen. Why is going to the profile that hard? It's one click away.

I can't get into a character in a game, if I don't have a way to interact with them.

I like some minigames, I like those extra rewards and easter eggs, it is the little things that makes the game fun, those extra details that show the dev cares about their game, and rewards players who do the extra work.

Movies, TV, and books (other than Choose Your Own Adventure books), are not the same thing, they are not games. You just put them on and ignore them while you do other things. And so, no, I don't own a TV, I don't watch movies, I don't have time for that mindless shit. I work 12-20 hours a day, so if I am going to take time to do something else, it needs to be fun to do. I just can't waste time on something mind-numbingly boring. TV and movies have been getting worse for decades anyway.

Learning, testing my skills, solving problems and puzzles, being creative, etc. This is what I need to be entertained these days. I need to make things, I need to do things, I need to be creative and think.

It just bugs me when people come into a thread, and bitching about things like this, we don't see sandbox fans bitching that others games are not sandboxes, but the reverse happens all the time.
 

bobdango

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You could, but then you would ruin the free roam part, and it would cover most of the screen. Why is going to the profile that hard? It's one click away.

I can't get into a character in a game, if I don't have a way to interact with them.

I like some minigames, I like those extra rewards and easter eggs, it is the little things that makes the game fun, those extra details that show the dev cares about their game, and rewards players who do the extra work.

Movies, TV, and books (other than Choose Your Own Adventure books), are not the same thing, they are not games. You just put them on and ignore them while you do other things. And so, no, I don't own a TV, I don't watch movies, I don't have time for that mindless shit. I work 12-20 hours a day, so if I am going to take time to do something else, it needs to be fun to do. I just can't waste time on something mind-numbingly boring. TV and movies have been getting worse for decades anyway.

Learning, testing my skills, solving problems and puzzles, being creative, etc. This is what I need to be entertained these days. I need to make things, I need to do things, I need to be creative and think.

It just bugs me when people come into a thread, and bitching about things like this, we don't see sandbox fans bitching that others games are not sandboxes, but the reverse happens all the time.
I understand not wanting to cover the whole screen for those who want to interact with the free roam parts. The ability to turn such an option on would solve that problem and make it player choice. The profiles screen is 2 click away then you need to click each profile then this process needs to be repeated throughout the game.

I completely understand not being able to get into a character if you cannot interact with them.

I understand wanting to do something one feels of value. If you find movies, TV & books mindless and never thought provoking, informative or inspiring that is fine but if you don't ever give them a chance you'll never know.. You also can't have that happen if you put it on just to ignore it while doing something else. Do you never wonder if you missed out on inspiration for the things you create by not taking in a wider range of media? I would honestly say most sandbox adult games aren't actually games as well. They are mostly just choose your own adventure books with extra steps.

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It is true that I rarely see people who don't like VNs commenting about it, but then again I don't read many forums here because I want to avoid spoilers I don't find much value in it. At most I read some reviews to see if I may like something.

I wasn't trying to completely shit on the game. I really enjoy the characters and the unraveling story but I simply have a hard time staying invested in such things when it is constantly separated by free roam. One might even say that it is almost a compliment that they don't want a game to be a sandbox because so much other then that they find great and the sandbox is a barrier (as small as some may see it) to those things.
 
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TheDevian

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I understand not wanting to cover the whole screen for those who want to interact with the free roam parts. The ability to turn such an option on would solve that problem and make it player choice. The profiles screen is 2 click away then you need to click each profile then this process needs to be repeated throughout the game.

I completely understand not being able to get into a character if you cannot interact with them.

I understand wanting to do something one feels of value. If you find movies, TV & books mindless and never thought provoking, informative or inspiring that is fine but if you don't ever give them a chance you'll never know.. You also can't have that happen if you put it on just to ignore it while doing something else. Do you never wonder if you missed out on inspiration for the things you create by not taking in a wider range of media? I would honestly say most sandbox adult games aren't actually games as well. They are mostly just choose your own adventure books with extra steps.

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It is true that I rarely see people who don't like VNs commenting about it, but then again I don't read many forums here because I want to avoid spoilers I don't find much value in it. At most I read some reviews to see if I may like something.

I wasn't trying to completely shit on the game. I really enjoy the characters and the unraveling story but I simply have a hard time staying invested in such things when it is constantly separated by free roam. One might even say that it is almost a compliment that they don't want a game to be a sandbox because so much other then that they find great and the sandbox is a barrier (as small as some may see it) to those things.
I used to watch a lot of tv and movies, but every year, they get worse. It's been decades since I saw anything that interested me. I have played games in genres I hate, I have done a lot of research, but I am old, and I am running out of time. I don't have time for more inspiration, I need to get the things I am working on already done before I die.

I wish all games had free roam, but I don't complain about when they don't. I either enjoy what I can, or ignore it. I don't even complain when a game that has a female MC, and the lesbian tag, but not a lesbian path. As if I want to play with a dick. But again, I don't complain, I just don't play. Or try to find a good exhibitionism game, they are almost all NTR or abuse simulators, but again, I don't go tell them how to make their game (though I did ask one dev to make the sex skippable when she asked us about our thoughts).

Besides, it's not like the team comes here any more anyway, you are just complaining to other players, who have no control over anything.
 
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bobdango

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I used to watch a lot of tv and movies, but every year, they get worse. It's been decades since I saw anything that interested me. I have played games in genres I hate, I have done a lot of research, but I am old, and I am running out of time. I don't have time for more inspiration, I need to get the things I am working on already done before I die.

I wish all games had free roam, but I don't complain about when they don't. I either enjoy what I can, or ignore it. I don't even complain when a game that has a female MC, and the lesbian tag, but not a lesbian path. As if I want to play with a dick. But again, I don't complain, I just don't play. Or try to find a good exhibitionism game, they are almost all NTR or abuse simulators, but again, I don't go tell them how to make their game (though I did ask one dev to make the sex skippable when she asked us about our thoughts).

Besides, it's not like the team comes here any more anyway, you are just complaining to other players, who have no control over anything.
I feel you about TV shows and movies for the most part. I watch maybe 2 new movies a year and well TV maybe 1 or 2 new season of TV shows I like when ever they release.

I wish more games had free roams like my favorite adult game Love of Magic or another one I love Treasures of Nadia.
 
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herrderr75

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Lord God, help me. I just started MM. Just met Esther and Naira. I'm in a hallway where all doors are locked. There is a red arrow pointing right. When I follow it, all the doors are locked there, too. Can anyone tell me where to go from here?

I was hoping for a VN. Is the rest of the game this "fun"? Am I going to spend the next week of my life clicking on random shit that doesn't work?
 

TheDevian

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Lord God, help me. I just started MM. Just met Esther and Naira. I'm in a hallway where all doors are locked. There is a red arrow pointing right. When I follow it, all the doors are locked there, too. Can anyone tell me where to go from here?

I was hoping for a VN. Is the rest of the game this "fun"? Am I going to spend the next week of my life clicking on random shit that doesn't work?
Click on the Heart, then on someone's profile. It will tell you what to do.
 

reddie23

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I'm stuck at the "where should I go tonight" with Maeve. She's in the backstreet with the cat, but nothing seems to happen.
 

TheDevian

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View attachment 4492848 the genre says that there is something in this game that talks about mind control but you don't see anything about it
It's a very minor thing, one of the LI's can control others, but other than one event with the player, it's mostly done to entertain him. Once she learns that he wants to fuck her, she never uses them on him again (though she does us an illusion on him once, so he can go into the women's locker room, without freaking anyone out).
 
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Tsubaki Takanashi

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When I saw the picture of MC's mother and Esther giving a double blowjob to a stripper, I just couldn't do it lol Jesus Christ what an unnecessary scene for a harem game without NTR, I lost total interest in her. I know that many will say that it's her past and such but the past really matters that the MC saying that he was uncomfortable the dev should have had the notion that whoever made the choice didn't want to know about this story, my opinion.
 
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