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Bloodguard

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I mean ... she's wearing bunny slippers ... (my left sig gif is what I thought she was a cameo for ...)
It definitely looks like Cece in bunny slippers, I'll give you that one. That LoF has crossover with pretty much every other AVN is another reason to think it's her. Could have sworn I saw some characters from this game in Lexi's big concert scene. There were definitely folks from Come Home there. ;)
 

Elhemeer

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It definitely looks like Cece in bunny slippers, I'll give you that one. That LoF has crossover with pretty much every other AVN is another reason to think it's her. Could have sworn I saw some characters from this game in Lexi's big concert scene. There were definitely folks from Come Home there. ;)
Honestly, now that I know who it is, when we get a closer look (and in high-rez) at her, they're not that similar, just the oval shape and the hair ...

...

... but those slippers ...
 

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Incidentally, I don't think anybody "anti-woke" would be playing Mythos. I'm a queer minority dev, after all - they'd probably hate me.
Depends on how you define "woke".

Woke isn't just "diversity". There are plenty of female, gay, and/or "ethnic" people who complain about how much they hate "woke".

A lot of times, when someone complains about something being "woke", what they're really complaining about is "performative diversity" or "rainbow capitalism", where it feels like someone is just exploiting the concept of diversity in an attempt to sell more product rather than out of anything resembling actual sincerity. Or it's a complaint against studios that produce "diverse and inclusive" content more as a shield against criticism rather than in a attempt to actually tell worthwhile stories about diverse characters. Where it feels like the creator in question spent so much time and energy on trying to be as diverse as possible to tick all the inclusivity boxes that they basically forgot to actually tell a worthwhile story. That's where the backlash starts.

Sure, there's always going to be a few people who will scream something is woke the moment they see a woman or "one of dem dere gays", but that's not necessarily the majority. And it's definitely not everyone.

I'd say the main reason why there's such an upsurge in people complaining about everything being woke is because we've just gone through about a decade of multiple media cranking out absolutely terrible movies, shows, and games - that would have been terrible no matter who or what the characters were - but where anyone who attempts to criticize them for any number of justified reasons are instantly and automatically dismissed as being a bigot because the main character is a lesbian PoC or whathaveyou. When the actual problem is just there are a lot of bad writers in Hollywood and in game dev.

I mean, I honestly, Mythos is pretty diverse across the board, and I wouldn't really consider it "woke". The diversity is more organic, and the story is trying to be interesting rather than preachy. It doesn't feel like an untalented writer sat down and said "Right, I want to write a thinly-veiled author tract about lesbians and people of every ethnicity", it feels like a talented writer sat down and said "I want to tell a really good story. And it's just going to happen to have a lot of diversity in it because it fits the story and because I'm writing what I know."

If anything, actual diversity is good. But "diversity" solely for the sake of diversity tends to be bad.

The sad part is that because people have become so anti-woke as a reaction to all the crap, it does increase the odds that "good diversity" will get caught in the crossfire because everyone's a bit hair trigger and ready to attack from being burned so many times in the past.
 

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I have a feeling I missed something?
Nope. (This will be a long post, if you want the gist, scroll down to the last sentence.)

So.

You wrote that you were in the mood for a snarky conversation with Steam. damnedfrog suggested that you shouldn't provoke those you want to sell your game to. Which reminds me of Disney's business policy.

(It's like making a movie for the Black Panther Party but winking at the Ku Klux Klan. Look, guys, we made a woke movie. But we made it so that it's clear that we made it out of necessity, not conviction.

I mean, if Disney was serious about SJW, they wouldn't be adapting a classic story. Or they wouldn't do it so badly. Rachel Zegler as Snow White, congratulations. Either the casting director was an idiot, which I don't believe, or this is deliberate, veiled trolling. I mean, Miss Zegler is a pretty woman, but if Gal Gadot as the Evil Queen hears that Zegler is prettier, she'll probably shake her head in laughter, throw away the mirror, and vow to never order magic stuff from Temu again.

If they had wanted to reinterpret the story, they could have done Snow, Glass, Apples by Neil Gaimen. <I don't particularly like his writing, but it's very good.> Or they could have done a Latin American tale starring Miss Zegler.)


CleanJebboy responded to my post with a disagree smiley because I wasn't clear enough. That's how we got here.

Incidentally, I don't think anybody "anti-woke" would be playing Mythos. I'm a queer minority dev, after all - they'd probably hate me.
No, people only tend to hate the radical representatives of ideas who want to convert by force. But since radicals are the loudest/most conspicuous, and the human brain can only take in a limited amount of information, they simplify.

Joke:
Reporter: Mr Smith, do you know Ahmed the shopkeeper?
Mr. Smith: Of course, I always shop in his shop, he is a very honest man.
R: And Hakim, the doctor?
S: Yes, he is a very good doctor.
R: And Omar, the gas station attendant?
S: He is my neighbour, we are friends.
R: And what do you think of the Arabs?
S: They are all terrorists!

And while I didn't have Rin's exact species pinned down
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TigerWolfe

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I'm anti-woke, but what I've played isn't what I consider woke. You're not hitting us in the head, screaming at us about LGBTQ issues/things. You're also not pushing the agenda constantly like a few AA/AAA games have been lately(Veilguard for one). What you are doing is writing an interesting story. Unlike said game above. Just my 2cents.
So standard conservative definition of woke, it's only woke if you don't like it. *eyes roll out of head and out the door*
 
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No. It's mine. I'm not a conservative, nor a liberal. I'm me. I'm awake, NOT woke. There's a difference.
There's not, in my experience people who claim to be neither are really just embarrassed conservatives. But woke was disparaged in the public eye so uninformed people would start to denigrate it, it was an active movement by the right, just like the 50 years of attacks on public education in America so the average American would be stupid enough to vote in our current situation. You're using woke wrong, and that's fine if you want to, but people who actually know what it means will either assume you're dumb or a right wing agitator.
 
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Bad Wolf

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There's not, in my experience people who claim to be neither are really just embarrassed conservatives. But woke was disparaged in the public eye so uninformed people would start to denigrate it, it was an active movement by the right, just like the 50 years of attacks on public education in America so the average American would be stupid enough to vote in our current situation. You're using woke wrong, and that's fine if you want to, but people who actually know what it means will either assume you're dumb or a right wing agitator.
Fuck politics. It's off topic. You can say what you want. But move that political bs elsewhere and with someone who wants to hear it. I for one, don't.
 
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Bad Wolf

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I will point out that you brought it up first duder, but dropped as I'm anticipating cleanup soon.
You've very wrong there. You were the one that brought politics into this by saying what I said was conservative thinking. It's not. Despite whatever issues you have with right wingers, I'm not that. You and I have been cool for a long time and all of a sudden, some bee flew into your bonnet and caused you to see my original post as an attack on your beliefs. Well, I'm not that bee and I didn't put that bee into your bonnet. Have a good day, bro.
 

TigerWolfe

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You've very wrong there. You were the one that brought politics into this by saying what I said was conservative thinking. It's not. Despite whatever issues you have with right wingers, I'm not that. You and I have been cool for a long time and all of a sudden, some bee flew into your bonnet and caused you to see my original post as an attack on your beliefs. Well, I'm not that bee and I didn't put that bee into your bonnet. Have a good day, bro.
I don't think you're conservative, but you're parroting a lot of their talking points. Anti-woke, is inherently a political stance. I've no beef with you. The only bees in my bonnet are in DC.
 
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Nine of Swords

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Well, ok then. Now onto more important things, like Book 2. When? Where and how long? :ROFLMAO:
*Peeking out of the bomb shelter*

Is it safe, yet?

Hah, anyway... After Book One gets final Steam approval, I'm going to take a short break to do some things for myself. Well, that's not entirely true; two things I really want to do are take a Python course and a piano course (both of which I've already purchased) so I can make better things for future games.

Hopefully Mythos does well on Steam, because I want to upgrade my PC so I can do better renders (though I do think my renders have improved since I started this venture). Plus, this rig is now five years old, so I expect parts of it to start crapping out soon.

I'm even planning on pausing the Weekly Updates during this "rest period", but not before I do one last round of "Ask the Cast/Dev" - both as a post-mortem for Book One and some teaser info about Book Two.
 

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*Peeking out of the bomb shelter*

Is it safe, yet?

Hah, anyway... After Book One gets final Steam approval, I'm going to take a short break to do some things for myself. Well, that's not entirely true; two things I really want to do are take a Python course and a piano course (both of which I've already purchased) so I can make better things for future games.

Hopefully Mythos does well on Steam, because I want to upgrade my PC so I can do better renders (though I do think my renders have improved since I started this venture). Plus, this rig is now five years old, so I expect parts of it to start crapping out soon.

I'm even planning on pausing the Weekly Updates during this "rest period", but not before I do one last round of "Ask the Cast/Dev" - both as a post-mortem for Book One and some teaser info about Book Two.
Observation post number one reporting, ma'am! It seems out of respect for you, everyone has stopped fighting!

(Last time Wolfman112062 let off steam, now it's Bad Wolf and TigerWolfe... I'm starting to understand why there are no werewolves in the Mythos. They wiped each other out over a misunderstanding. ;) )

Yes, your renders have improved. But why do you need piano course? Do you want to type faster?
 

Nine of Swords

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Yes, your renders have improved. But why do you need piano course? Do you want to type faster?
Oh, the piano course is so I can maybe make better music! :)

Just googled, is a programming language, I have no idea, when I read that sentence I thought for a moment that Nine had a pet python :BootyTime:.
Oh, I wish! I love snakes. :D

But Python is kinda the language most visual novels are written in; the "Py" in "Ren'Py" is for "Python". :) Ren'Py is just a sort of pre-configured framework so people with little programming knowledge can make simple games.
 

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*Peeking out of the bomb shelter*

Is it safe, yet?

Hah, anyway... After Book One gets final Steam approval, I'm going to take a short break to do some things for myself. Well, that's not entirely true; two things I really want to do are take a Python course and a piano course (both of which I've already purchased) so I can make better things for future games.

Hopefully Mythos does well on Steam, because I want to upgrade my PC so I can do better renders (though I do think my renders have improved since I started this venture). Plus, this rig is now five years old, so I expect parts of it to start crapping out soon.

I'm even planning on pausing the Weekly Updates during this "rest period", but not before I do one last round of "Ask the Cast/Dev" - both as a post-mortem for Book One and some teaser info about Book Two.
Sounds good to me. A learning break is always great. Take as much time as need/want.
 
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