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OmegaShinryu

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Beyond that, two minor mysteries. I have gotten all the areas open but the movie theater. Do all three of the other living areas nead to be at max population? I think I'm close, like within a hundred or so spread out across all three.

What message made Kana go white faced the night after Lawrence arrived in town? The one where she says she got a game update or something after saying that she had gotten something from the mayor? I was also somewhat disappointed that not meeting up with Kana that first night didn't result in a verbal type flirting scene with Lawrence, even though, if you do that, you see the submission number go up by five.
movie theater you find a camera in the mansion that you visit after 5 pm, it's in one of the rooms you enter from the middle of the gardens, then you take it to the bar and give it to a random NPC in the top right corner iirc.

as for the message, it's never explicitly said, but its pretty clear once you get the good ending route and tell lawrence to fuck off..
 

Iexist

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Going to throw my thoughts into the ring here: the repetitive dates the MC can have with Kana are just meh. So is the way Kana doesn't really change her attitude enough from low to high submission scenes during the day. Which can be annoying if you are suddenly getting hit with five or more thigh jobs scenes in a row when you're already at high submission and are trying to find the last two daytime sex scenes.
I think the night scenes are better, but could still be better. Again, sometimes the order of scenes messes up. Kana's given dozens of blowjobs and gulped down Lawrence's cum, she should not still be protesting that or be astonished by his size. That feels like a programming issue.

I like the reactions to her change in underwear, that's kind of fun, but her body changing over time could have been woryked into the story better.
There are so many moments like that - where Kana's descent could have been expounded upon. Wouldn't have needed many more cgs, just a lot more writing.
Similarly, her going in search of Lawrence would have been interesting.

The Endings. They suck. One whore ending, one netorase ending, fine. One ending where you live happily ever after, cutting all contact with Lawrence, fine. What about an ending where she just leaves with Lawrence? Or is that one of the endings I haven't gotten yet? - True and one of the bad ends I think.

Beyond that, two minor mysteries. I have gotten all the areas open but the movie theater. Do all three of the other living areas nead to be at max population? I think I'm close, like within a hundred or so spread out across all three.

What message made Kana go white faced the night after Lawrence arrived in town? The one where she says she got a game update or something after saying that she had gotten something from the mayor? I was also somewhat disappointed that not meeting up with Kana that first night didn't result in a verbal type flirting scene with Lawrence, even though, if you do that, you see the submission number go up by five.
On the one hand, I do agree that it'd be nice if there were more variations for Kana's corruption as well as the MC's response to them. On the other hand, all I have to do is compare things with just about every other NTR game out there and you can immediately tell that Nebel is vastly superior in how it handles things within the game's limitations. The fact of the matter is that it's really, REALLY hard to keep things straight, coding-wise, when the game isn't 100% linear.

Generally, only nearly completely linear VNs have better progression, and that's because they don't have to worry about permutations.

The game could definitely benefit from more changes to the day-time stuff, but I definitely understand why it's not there. Even ignoring the whole COVID problem that messed things up for this game's development.

Either way, the intent was definitely there to have more things. For example, there's the fact that Kana stops calling the MC if her submission stat exceeds her affection stat, and even before that, the frequency of the calls/messages drops if these stats are too close to one another. You can still find her and interrupt things, but it's meant to show that she won't care if the MC acts or not under those circumstances. From the way it works, it's pretty obvious that there was intent to be more done with this... but no time and all that jazz.

As for the endings. Eh. Can't comment. I personally liked them, especially the True Ending was hilarious for me, but it's all a matter of taste.

The whore ending, as you call it, or the NTR ending as it's labeled in game, is the ending where she reaches 1200 submission. She DOES leave with Lawrence in that ending... it's just that Lawrence doesn't actually give a single flying fuck about Kana beyond using her like a cock-sleeve until he gets bored of her. The game makes this very clearly with how at times, when he leaves over the weekend, you have generic dweets with NPC girl(s), and how that sometimes happens even while he's around if he's not chasing Kana.

What you see in that ending is the ultimate consequence of the corruption. He makes no effort whatsoever to make her love him... and she doesn't. She just gets turned into a sex-addict. She's still subservient to him above anyone else (she calls him Master in the final video, if my memory isn't failing me), but at the end of the day, she doesn't care who she fucks as long as she has her brains exploded with pleasure.

Plus, what did you expect from a guy that thinks it's a great idea to film porn of a girl and sell it around? That's not the kind of behavior you have when you actually want to keep a girl for yourself.

It sounds like what you're missing is the Possession Ending. You have to lose to the Invasion boss or the final boss 4 times I think? And then one more time specifically to the final boss in the mansion.

Also the True Ending, which is the real "they live together happily ever after" ending. The Normal endings, if you pay attention, doesn't actually guarantee this. This is because in the Normal ending, the MC never finds out the truth about Kana, nor does he regain his memories.
 
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TgMaker

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Do the colors mean anything in the maps?
on the mansion map:
red rooms are rooms with strong enemies
blue are break rooms

on the hopsital map:
red rooms are inpassable rooms for the mc
orange are where hard enemies are
blue are break rooms

on the church map:
red rooms are normal enemies
purple rooms are hard enemies
Green are break rooms
 
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BBC King

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How do I enter the mansion after dark? I did it on my first playthrough but on this new run whenever I try to go there at 19:00 I get the message "i have no reason to be here right now".

To be clear I mean the first dungeon you go to with the little girl ghost you need to find, not the final dungeon that you can only access with Kana while Lawrence is away in Tokyo.
 

An0nM4n

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How do I enter the mansion after dark? I did it on my first playthrough but on this new run whenever I try to go there at 19:00 I get the message "i have no reason to be here right now".
You have to leave for it at 17:00. 19:00 is too late.
 

BBC King

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You have to leave for it at 17:00. 19:00 is too late.
I will try again but I am pretty sure I went there at 17:00, 18:00 and 19:00 but everytime the MC says "I dont need to go back there".

EDIT: Yeah it doesnt give me the option to enter.
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LainHarth

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Finally got the true ending... i am a bit disappointed but i guess is because the last game i played was Demon Roots and my expectations were very high.
 

FunkyJustin

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BUGS BUGS BUGS!!!!!
In my first playthrough game is bugged af, some Dweets got deleted for some reason
some scenes play despite not unlocking the required building, (i'm talking about the vibrator in cafe scene, i dont have the toy store yet)

Playing New Game+ said yes to all carryover stats, cameras, items, affection submission etc.

Went to the final door at the church and skipped time, defeated the boss, and it gave me a black screen, I TRIED to fix it by blindly going back to town and going inside the inn because I thought it might refresh the screen but NOTHING WORKED! how to fix!!!?
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The hacker dude event didn't get triggered so I couldn't see the dweets anymore, the status screen didn't matter since I carried everything over and i had all status screen all the way to level 5 unlocked

there are some times where when I return from daytime exorcism, especially after defeating the boss and I go home with kana and return to the west ward, Lawrence is bugged outside the Inn, where you can pass through him and he is uninteractable, I tried to fix it by simply sleeping at the inn and going back out and Kana greets me and when I go back out, same thing, you can't interact with him at all which locks me from further progress.

GOD I sure fucking hope they release a version with a debugger in it.
 
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Iexist

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I may be wrong... but I do believe you're the only one who's reported such extreme behavior from the game... but I'm too lazy to check the thread extensively. You can do that on your own time.

What I can say though is that if you want help, you'll need to provide some info like, which mirror did you use to download the game, what are you playing it on, did you use any cheats, etc, etc, etc. The fact that what you're describing is not a common or frequent complaint may indicate, after all, that the problem might not be specifically from the game... or at least, not in the way you think it is.
 

LainHarth

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BUGS BUGS BUGS!!!!!
In my first playthrough game is bugged af, some Dweets got deleted for some reason
some scenes play despite not unlocking the required building, (i'm talking about the vibrator in cafe scene, i dont have the toy store yet)

Playing New Game+ said yes to all carryover stats, cameras, items, affection submission etc.

Went to the final door at the church and skipped time, defeated the boss, and it gave me a black screen, I TRIED to fix it by blindly going back to town and going inside the inn because I thought it might refresh the screen but NOTHING WORKED! how to fix!!!?
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The hacker dude event didn't get triggered so I couldn't see the dweets anymore, the status screen didn't matter since I carried everything over and i had all status screen all the way to level 5 unlocked

there are some times where when I return from daytime exorcism, especially after defeating the boss and I go home with kana and return to the west ward, Lawrence is bugged outside the Inn, where you can pass through him and he is uninteractable, I tried to fix it by simply sleeping at the inn and going back out and Kana greets me and when I go back out, same thing, you can't interact with him at all which locks me from further progress.

GOD I sure fucking hope they release a version with a debugger in it.
I had a similar bug the first time i did a NG+ and i am sure it was because i didn't reset Kana Submission points, so the first day event and the bad ending triggered at the same time and my game just broke... I had to restar the NG+ and set Submission points to 0.
 

FunkyJustin

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I had a similar bug the first time i did a NG+ and i am sure it was because i didn't reset Kana Submission points, so the first day event and the bad ending triggered at the same time and my game just broke... I had to restar the NG+ and set Submission points to 0.
Do you also need to reset affection points? Because last I recall in NG+ they're both tied together and if you choose not to carry over submission, it also wont carry over affection
 
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