VN Ren'Py Nephilim [v0.5.1] [BuuPlays]

[Rehwyn]

What I'm really asking for, I think, is better writing so you have some reason to justify ditching Eliza and rushing to the aid of people who (IMO) betrayed you and who you formed no bond or friendship with. Ideally I'd like to not go at all, or go and then slow down so you're just a minute too late (oops) but I'd at least like to feel like MC has some reason for going without twisting my mind into a pretzel to justify it.

The reason is that at his core, MC has a desire to protect in general, and not just Eliza. He doesn't need a self-interested reason to want to help them (though obviously he has one in addition here since he considers them friends or lovers). That's one reason why he helps Luna, Amelia, the pirates, and likely dozens more unnamed others as part of his work with the adventurer's guild.

It's obvious there's a disconnect between MC's core values and priorities and what you think they should be. But ultimately, this is a visual novel and not a freeform role playing game. We may be able to influence some things with choices and Light/Dark path, but certain things are going to be immutable.

Revenge and protecting Eliza are important things to MC. But so is adventuring and protecting all his friends/lovers and people in general. I don't foresee that changing any time soon.

 

[Pixillin']

The reason is that at his core, MC has a desire to protect in general, and not just Eliza. He doesn't need a self-interested reason to want to help them (though obviously he has one in addition here since he considers them friends or lovers). That's one reason why he helps Luna, Amelia, the pirates, and likely dozens more unnamed others as part of his work with the adventurer's guild.

It's obvious there's a disconnect between MC's core values and priorities and what you think they should be. But ultimately, this is a visual novel and not a freeform role playing game. We may be able to influence some things with choices and Light/Dark path, but certain things are going to be immutable.

Revenge and protecting Eliza are important things to MC. But so is adventuring and protecting all his friends/lovers and people in general. I don't foresee that changing any time soon.

But how do you fit that with the "dark path" - I'm becoming convinced that that is the way to go with this one because I don't "like" any of the others - mainly because I don't think the writing has earned it. Other than fawning over the MC most of the Li seem almost entirely devoid of personality, or at least I don't find them interesting as characters on their own merits.

 

[Rehwyn]

But how do you fit that with the "dark path" - I'm becoming convinced that that is the way to go with this one because I don't "like" any of the others - mainly because I don't think the writing has earned it. Other than fawning over the MC most of the Li seem almost entirely devoid of personality, or at least I don't find them interesting as characters on their own merits.

Personally, I suspect Light/Dark is more a matter of how he resolves matters in pursuit of his core priorities rather than what those priorities are. The fact those choices haven't changed core aspects otherwise so far hints that it's unlikely to fundamentally alter them, though perhaps that'll change later on.

As an example, perhaps you can become a forgiving protector or a ruthless protector. Or that desire to protect can perhaps twist into a desire to control (to protect people from themselves, for example) if you get corrupted by power. But those changes aren't likely to strongly manifest until much later. At the moment, the impacts of Light/Dark will likely be more restricted.

Either way, I don't see him not caring about those things.

 

[MiltonPowers]

I mean you're only twisting your mind into a pretzel because you're going out of your way to view as enemies when the game has never really set them up to be enemies. The whole trust thing really feels more about the whole romance flags rather than setting up a friendship and the mc would have bonded with them over the course of the month that they were on the ship together and when you helped overthrow their dad even if you don't see it that way. Like I said the whole anti pirate thing feels weird to me, even if you didn't romance them insisting that they betrayed you feels silly

You're wasting your time. He's made up his mind and been saying the same thing over and over for months. He is 100% wrong on Pearl betraying him as has been pointed out numerous times and he still proclaims constantly someone beating him to a treasure is a betrayal and an act worthy of death.

By that very logic, he betrayed Pearl, she needed the cup to save Kira and he tried his hardest to get it first (in his mind that's a betrayal worthy of death). They should have killed him for his betrayal.

 

[Pixillin']

Personally, I suspect Light/Dark is more a matter of how he resolves matters in pursuit of his core priorities rather than what those priorities are. The fact those choices haven't changed core aspects otherwise so far hints that it's unlikely to fundamentally alter them, though perhaps that'll change later on.

As an example, perhaps you can become a forgiving protector or a ruthless protector. Or that desire to protect can perhaps twist into a desire to control (to protect people from themselves, for example) if you get corrupted by power. But those changes aren't likely to strongly manifest until much later. At the moment, the impacts of Light/Dark will likely be more restricted.

Either way, I don't see him not caring about those things.

See, the thing is that I need to care about those things and at this stage in the story, I don't. In fiction the writing needs to make me care about people and things that the writer wants me to care about and other than Eliza and revenge - I don't. I don't care about any of the other characters any more than I do about any random person on the street and I don't care about their problems. (And IRL I'm a pretty soft touch - I spend a good chunk of time helping strangers and small furry animals in exchange for nothing.)

 

[Pixillin']

You're wasting your time. He's made up his mind and been saying the same thing over and over for months. He is 100% wrong on Pearl betraying him as has been pointed out numerous times and he still proclaims constantly someone beating him to a treasure is a betrayal and an act worthy of death.

By that very logic, he betrayed Pearl, she needed the cup to save Kira and he tried his hardest to get it first (in his mind that's a betrayal worthy of death). They should have killed him for his betrayal.

I'm 100% right but yes, there is no point in trying to convince me.

 

[Rehwyn]

See, the thing is that I need to care about those things and at this stage in the story, I don't. In fiction the writing needs to make me care about people and things that the writer wants me to care about and other than Eliza and revenge - I don't. I don't care about any of the other characters and more than I do about any random person on the street and I don't care about their problems. (And IRL I'm a pretty soft touch - I spend a good chunk of time helping strangers and small furry animals in exchange for nothing.)

Unfortunately, not all writing or writers will appeal to everyone. In my case, I actually do care about most of the LIs to varying degrees, and am interested in some of the adventure mystery.

 

[Dessolos]

I'm 100% right

only to you and more like it's your opinion because of how you feel. but in reality you aren't 100% right it not a clear cut case of betrayal when you take in all the context and don't use your personal feeling. Like I personally don't see it as betrayal at all but I can see why one may see it as such.

 

[Pixillin']

only to you and more like it's your opinion because of how you feel. but in reality you aren't 100% right it not a clear cut case of betrayal when you take in all the context and don't use your personal feeling. Like I personally don't see it as betrayal at all but I can see why one may see it as such.

But you're still trying to convince me. We're just going to have to agree to disagree. I'll even concede that what MC did could probably be seen as betraying Pearl as well but it doesn't matter - the thing that matters is that I do not like the Pirate twins, would still kill them now if the opportunity presented itself and at this stage in the game that isn't going to change.

 

[Dessolos]

But you're still trying to convince me. We're just going to have to agree to disagree. I'll even concede that what MC did could probably be seen as betraying Pearl as well but it doesn't matter - the thing that matters is that I do not like the Pirate twins, would still kill them now if the opportunity presented itself and at this stage in the game that isn't going to change.

lol im not trying to convince you at all. I'm just saying it's your opinion and with the way you said you are 100% right you made it sound like a fact and not an opinion

 

[MiltonPowers]

I'm 100% right but yes, there is no point in trying to convince me.

LOL. I pity anyone in your life who takes anything that you've decided is yours.

See, the thing is that I need to care about those things and at this stage in the story, I don't. In fiction the writing needs to make me care about people and things that the writer wants me to care about and other than Eliza and revenge - I don't. I don't care about any of the other characters and more than I do about any random person on the street and I don't care about their problems. (And IRL I'm a pretty soft touch - I spend a good chunk of time helping strangers and small furry animals in exchange for nothing.)

You're just trolling now.

You don't like anything about this game except Eliza, you don't like the story direction, you don't like the pirate twins, you're making up stuff in your head to justify why you don't like them, you don't like any other character, you don't like the writing, you don't like bla bla bla.

And yet, you're still here every day, over and over, complaining and whining and trying to suck all the enjoyment out of this game and this thread for everyone else.

A normal person would say this ain't for me and delete it and move on to to something they will enjoy. Instead you say this ain't for me and complain daily for a few months now.

I'll say it again. THIS IS WHAT THE GAME IS. It is not changing and you're constant negative posts are way past annoying.

Delete the game, press ignore and move on. You'll be happier.

 

[jadepaladin]

I'm 100% right -snip

That never bodes well.

 

[Pixillin']

That never bodes well.

Yeah but it just sounds better than "I'm 68.224% right!!"

 

[Dessolos]

Yeah but it just sounds better than "I'm 68.224% right!!"

or you you can just say in my opinion just saying

 

[Pixillin']

or you you can just say in my opinion just saying

Y'all are forgetting that this was a response to Milton saying "He is 100% wrong" ... or is 100% wrong NOT an opinion?

 

[MiltonPowers]

Y'all are forgetting that this was a response to Milton saying "He is 100% wrong" ... or is 100% wrong NOT an opinion?

What I stated was a fact, not an opinion.

Pearl 100% did not betray you. FACT.
You don't like Pearl for what she did - OPINION.

Stop Trolling.

 

[Pixillin']

What I stated was a fact, not an opinion.

Pearl 100% did not betray you. FACT.
You don't like Pearl for what she did - OPINION.

Stop Trolling.

That is entirely your opinion and from where I sit you're the one who's trolling - I didn't come here and attack other people or suggest that they should stop posting if they don't agree with me. Anyway, feel free to whatever. You don't get to dictate what I say or do, but you do get to be on the list now.

 

[whatone]

Fucking hell, opinions are like assholes.
Everyone has one & they are mostly full of shit.

 

[MiltonPowers]

That is entirely your opinion and from where I sit you're the one who's trolling - I didn't come here and attack other people or suggest that they should stop posting if they don't agree with me. Anyway, feel free to whatever. You don't get to dictate what I say or do, but you do get to be on the list now.

I'm here because I enjoy the game and your constant negative comments are killing the enjoyment for others. This used to be a thread where all sorts of things and all the girls got discussed.

You don't enjoy any part of the game except 1 girl, and complain about every other part of it. I wanted to know why you are still posting your complaints every day if you are not trolling.

My suggestion was to find another game where you will be happier and let this one go that makes you so upset.

 

[whatone]

I'm here because I enjoy the game and your constant negative comments are killing the enjoyment for others. This used to be a thread where all sorts of things and all the girls got discussed.

You don't enjoy any part of the game except 1 girl, and complain about every other part of it. I wanted to know why you are still posting your complaints every day if you are not trolling.

My suggestion was to find another game where you will be happier and let this one go that makes you so upset.