VN Ren'Py Nephilim [v0.5.9] [BuuPlays]

[slick97]

I'd say the only thing the developer is doing wrong in my point of view is not respecting the choices we're given. No matter what we choose, even if not really Dark/Light path choices, some LIs are pushed on the player regardless of what was chosen, which is very upsetting after reading the developer notes about choices mattering and all. They should change how MC acts and feels about the girls and also how they interact with MC but instead by rejecting them we still get a dialogue and even inner monologue that make literally no sense with how the player has chosen to react to certain characters.

I've been avoiding making assumptions about how much "Dark" and "Light" choices are going to matter considering it's only the third chapter ("don't judge a book by it's cover"). I think Buu is trying to limit how many branches are being left open at any given time to maintain a health workflow. We'll most likely need to finish up the Selena branch and some of the other branching introduced by the Kira and her pirates before new ones are explored.

As for the light and dark paths... it's probable that Buu is waiting to introduce any further choices for either until the current act is properly closed (i.e. all of our choices weighed to determine our affinity going into the next act). It's a very similar approach to the one BioWare took when developing the ME Trilogy as a method for preventing scope creep from getting out of control.

 

[Lucid Lancer]

Yeah, i don't know what is happening with this game anymore and i don't mean that in a positive way.

The main problem here is that this is described as a choice-driven novel and yet it's behaving more like a kinetic novel. Choices clearly do not matter much here, if at all so why not just make this as a KN ? I personally won't be playing this as a KN but it would be far better than what it is now, moreover i refuse to deter the dev in telling the story they want.

Hollow choices does far more damage to the game/novel than any linear ones/KN, not to mention the amount of annoyance they bring to the player, of course i only speak for myself here.
This game is doing quite poorly in that regard, i am on a dark path and yet not only mc is behaving like a sucker and a simp for the LIs that i don't even like but also there are no real choices to actually really punish the ones who wronged him and if this is the state of the "dark path" then i don't even want to know what kind of a doormat he is on the light path.

With all being said, good luck.

 

[Giggling Raven]

I've been avoiding making assumptions about how much "Dark" and "Light" choices are going to matter considering it's only the third chapter ("don't judge a book by it's cover"). I think Buu is trying to limit how many branches are being left open at any given time to maintain a health workflow. We'll most likely need to finish up the Selena branch and some of the other branching introduced by the Kira and her pirates before new ones are explored.

As for the light and dark paths... it's probable that Buu is waiting to introduce any further choices for either until the current act is properly closed (i.e. all of our choices weighed to determine our affinity going into the next act). It's a very similar approach to the one BioWare took when developing the ME Trilogy as a method for preventing scope creep from getting out of control.

Oh no, I meant the other generic choices aren't being respected. Like rejecting Kira but her still sleeping naked on top of MC or even accompanying him to the island in the first place. Those shouldn't even happen given the choices to blow her off, nor MC's dialogue and even inner monologue regarding her being a friend or whatever.

 

[linkinn]

I personally think this was the best update so far. I can understand some people not liking X or Y, but to me, it was exceptional. The only negative I found was that the pacing was a bit off with Kira, but it was needed if they were going to be apart. It's not like I didn't enjoy all the scenes with her; I like her character.

As for the positives, I appreciated all layers of the story being shown throughout this update. The pig quest was fun, Luna's struggles were interesting and probably important for us to know, and the conclusion of the chalice quest was pretty good.

Edit: The ninja girl backstory was good too, almost forgot.

Also, I don't have a problem with Pearl's actions. It was a bit forced to push for the final combat, but it didn't upset me.

As for Eliza accepting everything so quickly, I would do the same if it were a choice between never walking again and being a burden to everyone around me, or turning into a monster and trying to control that monster. It'll probably bring a bit of drama, but hopefully, everything will work out in the end.

 

[linkinn]

Oh no, I meant the other generic choices aren't being respected. Like rejecting Kira but her still sleeping naked on top of MC or even accompanying him to the island in the first place. Those shouldn't even happen given the choices to blow her off.

That would be way too much work for the dev to render it with and without her. If it didn't have anything sexual I can't see it as not respecting your choices, the sleeping naked thing is a survival situation, and again, if it wasn't sexual I don't see a problem.

 

[ZagorTeNay]

It's pretty funny turning down every chick, over and over, but they just..won't..give up.

 

[Giggling Raven]

That would be way too much work for the dev to render it with and without her. If it didn't have anything sexual I can't see it as not respecting your choices, the sleeping naked thing is a survival situation, and again, if it wasn't sexual I don't see a problem.

Something minor most of the time, like changing dialogue. The example I gave was MC's inner monologue considering Kira as a friend even after turning her down and threatening her after she betrayed him which makes absolutely zero sense. It progresses as if I acted interested since the beginning, which I didn't. That and the way she interacts with him and her own inner monologue. Like a lot of people mentioned before, the girls just don't give even after getting constantly rejected every step of the way. It's frustrating and makes the player feel like their choices have no effect.

 

[slick97]

As for Eliza accepting everything so quickly, I would do the same if it were a choice between never walking again and being a burden to everyone around me, or turning into a monster and trying to control that monster. It'll probably bring a bit of drama, but hopefully, everything will work out in the end.

This is kinda where I was going with my discussion regarding "Light" and "Dark" paths was going. Vampirism is a rather large part of fantasy lore with dozens of adaptations (primarily evil). The final choice could've easily been a rather large one as turning Eliza into a vampire is the equivalent of killing her, but due to the branching it could potentially cause it's a rather difficult task maintaining two separate paths dealing with Vampire Eliza and non-Vampire Eliza.

That would be way too much work for the dev to render it with and without her. If it didn't have anything sexual I can't see it as not respecting your choices, the sleeping naked thing is a survival situation, and again, if it wasn't sexual I don't see a problem.

If Buu has a good workflow then the only "added" work would be rendering the scene exactly how you mentioned. When you have an added element of visuals then your writing should be heavily guided by how the scenes are going to play out. For example, if you know there's going to be a choice that leads to a deviation, then write that choice in such a way that the deviation is 1 or 2 changes rather than something entirely different.



To add onto what I've said in my past two posts: there's nothing inherently wrong with the content Buu is delivering. However, there isn't anything he's doing that makes his product stand out from dozens of other VNs set in a fantasy world. The addition of Vampirism to the story feels similar to how Sear's tried dipping their hands into several different markets hoping to draw in all types of crowds. The key issue is that eventually leads you to become a Jack of All Trades, Master of None.

Additionally, it seems very few devs truly understand how to work within their means when going with a "choices matter" type of story. I know I keep mentioning this point, but I can't emphasize enough that controlling how many branches you have open at any time is by far the most important process to keep in mind. Who cares if you can make certain choices when they'll eventually lead nowhere or become redundant before the subplot has even been wrapped up? (this isn't a jab at Buu)

Anyways, I've rambled on enough. BuuPlays, don't take any of this criticism too much to heart. As long as you're finding joy in the content you're releasing then you'll eventually attract the right crowd

 

[paolo422]

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Panoramica:
Nephilim racconta la storia di un giovane che cresce.
In una notte fatidica un vagabondo trova il nostro mc (Tu), decide di prenderlo sotto la sua ala protettrice per addestrarlo per diversi anni, dopo essere stato assente per 10 anni. Ritorni al suo villaggio natale, ora un giovane indurito da anni di duro allenamento e sfide mentali da parte del suo insegnante, ora sei pronto a seguire il tuo percorso nella vita. Ancora giovane c'è molta crescita da fare nel tuo viaggio, attraverso sfide, scelte, amicizie e forse anche amore.
Scopri cosa significa essere un *Nephilim*
Ti arrenderai ai poteri dell'oscurità.. O sarai un simbolo di speranza?​

Discussione aggiornata : 2023-12-29
Data di rilascio : 05-12-2023
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[Deleted member 643941]

Has anyone killed the witch in the island, does it gives mc any new power???

 

[Tremonia]

I have to admit the story lost me after the last update. MC presents Eliza with the artifact and subtly pressures her to turn into a vampire. Eliza is desperate and would do almost anything. That's when MC puts a chalice on her, literally tells her she'll become immortal and has to drink human blood for a few centuries or millennia. Yes, thank you very much, MC!

She says it very clearly: "I don't want that. What if I can't handle it?" What is MC, the mega asshole, responding? "I wouldn't have brought it back and presented to you if there was even the slightest doubt in my mind that you couldn't handle it. Eliza, you're the strongest person I've ever met. I will see you through this, if you choose it." Great, push even more buttons to make her feel like she'll let you down if she doesn't, you pissant! You're not the one who has to live with having to harm other people in order to drink their blood! You little hustler will peacefully fall asleep in bed at the age of 80 and never wake up again and she will have to deal with it for another 800 or 8000 years if you don't chop off her head or rip out her heart!

I really hope he dies a very long and slowly death. Forcing your girl into being a vampire. What a disgusting piece of diarrhea shit. Half angel my ass...

 

[Joshy92]

I have to admit the story lost me after the last update. MC presents Eliza with the artifact and subtly pressures her to turn into a vampire. Eliza is desperate and would do almost anything. That's when MC puts a chalice on her, literally tells her she'll become immortal and has to drink human blood for a few centuries or millennia. Yes, thank you very much, MC!

She says it very clearly: "I don't want that. What if I can't handle it?" What is MC, the mega asshole, responding? "I wouldn't have brought it back and presented to you if there was even the slightest doubt in my mind that you couldn't handle it. Eliza, you're the strongest person I've ever met. I will see you through this, if you choose it." Great, push even more buttons to make her feel like she'll let you down if she doesn't, you pissant! You're not the one who has to live with having to harm other people in order to drink their blood! You little hustler will peacefully fall asleep in bed at the age of 80 and never wake up again and she will have to deal with it for another 800 or 8000 years if you don't chop off her head or rip out her heart!

I really hope he dies a very long and slowly death. Forcing your girl into being a vampire. What a disgusting piece of diarrhea shit. Half angel my ass...

After reading that I'm glad I didn't play this last update
I liked the game too but now I'm very disheartened about it.

 

[Tremonia]

After reading that I'm glad I didn't play this last update
I liked the game too but now I'm very disheartened about it.

I liked this game but I played the light path because I'm a softie and never never never ever I would force a loved one to be a monster. It's clearly said Eliza has to crave for human blood and she'll suffer if she don't satisfy this craving. How can one do this to a person who they're pretending to love? She's just disabled and can't walk. There's no need to do something like this to her only to make her walk and she can do more positions while fucking. What an angel... I really don't have any clues about the mystizism on which angels are based. But I heard they're the good ones. Okay, in this story a Nephilim is only a half-angel. Obviously the other half is the pure evil of the world.

Fuck, this one scene destroyed the whole AVN. Just like the fire decision in Acting Lessons. But there we had a choice at least.

 

[Tremonia]

i'm also not a big fan of her being a vampire, maybe in the future we will be able to cure her from this

Yeah... would have been better to thought about the possibility before forcing her to be a monster. I was so naive and thought he took the chalice back to Luxenford so that they can examine it and search about ways to use it without that side effect. But no. Just put in on the table, let Dalen fill his blood in, and let her drink it. What a hero he is.

 

[UnfinishedSentenc]

Is there even any sex in this game? I didn't notice any at first, so I skipped for about 10 minutes to see, and there was still nada, nothing, zero, zilch!

 

[Maviarab]

What an angel... I really don't have any clues about the mystizism on which angels are based. But I heard they're the good ones.

Gonna post a quote from Prophecy (1995, christopher Walken in one of his best roles), because while a film of fantasy, it has a lot of it's lore based in the Old Testement and ancient biblical lore:

Did you ever notice how in the Bible, whenever God needed to punish someone, or make an example, or whenever God needed a killing, he sent an angel? Did you ever wonder what a creature like that must be like? A whole existence spent praising your God, but always with one wing dipped in blood. Would you ever really want to see an angel?

You may not be religious in the slightest..or even interested in old myths and lore (I'm not religious in the slightest, but the lore fascinates me)....trust me, angels were never the good guys...very, very common misconception brought about by modern religion and media. (if they ever actually existed at all lol).

 

[UnoriginalUserName]

Has anyone killed the witch in the island, does it gives mc any new power???

Yep. Fuck that bitch. But I have to say I was a bit disappointed with the complete lack of "LASER EYES!!" use. Seriously. My dark MC isn't dark at all.

It could have been :
MC : "Oh, she's betraying me." *LASER EYES!*
MC : "Oh, this witch thinks she's the shit." *LASER EYES!*
MC : "Oh, pirates." *LASER EYES!*
MC : "Oh, time to fight the Pirate King." *LASER EYES!*

But noooo. Cmon, why do I even have these things?

Spoiler: I just wanna fire mah lazor

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[Deleted member 643941]

Yep. Fuck that bitch. But I have to say I was a bit disappointed with the complete lack of "LASER EYES!!" use. Seriously. My dark MC isn't dark at all.

It could have been :
MC : "Oh, she's betraying me." *LASER EYES!*
MC : "Oh, this witch thinks she's the shit." *LASER EYES!*
MC : "Oh, pirates." *LASER EYES!*
MC : "Oh, time to fight the Pirate King." *LASER EYES!*

But noooo. Cmon, why do I even have these things?

Spoiler: I just wanna fire mah lazor

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I made her ally, but i would be lying if i say that it didn't cross my mind. I too wanted to use laser eyes

The 3 options give you the same powers. The difference is that you receive dark or light points

Ok, i thought maybe killing her would gave different power, like at the start there were different power options for dark and light path.

 

[Deleted member 643941]

Yep. Fuck that bitch. But I have to say I was a bit disappointed with the complete lack of "LASER EYES!!" use. Seriously. My dark MC isn't dark at all.

It could have been :
MC : "Oh, she's betraying me." *LASER EYES!*
MC : "Oh, this witch thinks she's the shit." *LASER EYES!*
MC : "Oh, pirates." *LASER EYES!*
MC : "Oh, time to fight the Pirate King." *LASER EYES!*

But noooo. Cmon, why do I even have these things?

Spoiler: I just wanna fire mah lazor

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Yes, why try to remove the ring when mc can blast his hand using laser eyes

 

[Lucid Lancer]

Yep. Fuck that bitch. But I have to say I was a bit disappointed with the complete lack of "LASER EYES!!" use. Seriously. My dark MC isn't dark at all.

It could have been :
MC : "Oh, she's betraying me." *LASER EYES!*
MC : "Oh, this witch thinks she's the shit." *LASER EYES!*
MC : "Oh, pirates." *LASER EYES!*
MC : "Oh, time to fight the Pirate King." *LASER EYES!*

But noooo. Cmon, why do I even have these things?

Spoiler: I just wanna fire mah lazor

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Well, no laser eyes but my mc did broke her fucking neck . Threats and being used don't ever sit well with me no matter how attractive you are, if you behave like shit then you will get shit.