VN Ren'Py Nephilim [v0.5.9] [BuuPlays]

[thelostone69]

yeah I hard disagree I can understand not liking her but hate feels a bit harsh to me but each to their own. I also disagree that she is a liability at least power wise , but emotionally probably is. Only other character id want to take with me in combat would be Luna and probably Rin when she comes into the story. I think Alice and pirates would be a liability for me.

Alice cause she only knows alchemy and can't fight , while the pirates can fight id also feel they would be to quick to act and fall into a trap or something and could make things worst , at least I wouldn't trust them not needing saving in a major battle. At least that's the impression I got of them cause they seem to have a fiery temper.

Honestly id have to replay the game but I don't really recall her acting that stupid at all other than after her transformation and was learning to control herself. You do make me want to replay the game tho to see if I see something that makes me agree with you about your stupidity comment cause I honestly can't recall a damn thing before her transformation. I don't really count the stupid things she did after the transformation because she was learning to control her self and it only last a short while, also the MC was being just as stupid during that time.

With all that being said we do have our own dislikes I can understand why some may not like Eliza and like others even if I don't get how personally.

I just said what I felt about her honestly, that was just my perception. I think my reality is different..Im seeing the world from a different angle and what I cant do in real life I'm trying to do in such AVNs and mostly RPGs games where u can go full evil..
I enjoy this AVns story,making MC stronger,better and like I said earlier Anti-Hero and its the only thing I'm gonna focus on
Pardon my interest about the love interest..they are just sexual thing for me

 

[thelostone69]

I can absolutely see why you start to hate Eliza more and more though. If you don't like her and your MC is continuing to drool over her and do the kitten thing when you don't feel anything for her, it would get more and more frustrating.

it does feel weird when he does such cute stuff like a friend or best friend..taking a bath with her naked in the tub sleeping naked..fucking hell..i mostly skip that shit but I have to tolerate it for the story...but usually Eliza interactions are skipped

 

[Dessolos]

it does feel weird when he does such cute stuff like a friend or best friend..taking a bath with her naked in the tub sleeping naked..fucking hell..i mostly skip that shit but I have to tolerate it for the story...but usually Eliza interactions are skipped

I admit does feel weird when the MC is being super cute towards her at times haha. Tho I can't say I ever skipped any dialogue in this even the parts I disliked ( the Kira cave part). My own personal rules is if I skip dialogue I drop the game as then I clearly don't like something and not worth playing if im not willing to see 100% of it. Even with bad AVN's ive never skipped dialogue lol.

I just said what I felt about her honestly, that was just my perception. I think my reality is different..Im seeing the world from a different angle and what I cant do in real life I'm trying to do in such AVNs and mostly RPGs games where u can go full evil..
I enjoy this AVns story,making MC stronger,better and like I said earlier Anti-Hero and its the only thing I'm gonna focus on
Pardon my interest about the love interest..they are just sexual thing for me

Funny thing is even on my Anti Hero / dark path save I still want Eliza by my side as I think be super interesting to have turn her into a evil vampire. But I can see why you wouldn't want her either for the type of save too cause she really doesn't fit a dark MC playthrough so far. But im hoping over time she changes for dark path players to be more evil and suited for that kind of MC. I already seen some changes that allude to this. How if you go with dark path choice with Serena Eliza will kill her later instead of forgiving her. So im hoping it's more like a slow burn to turn her evil kind of deal other yeah she feels rather odd being by a MC that is evil if she never changes.

 

[HiP1]

only one I really do not like Kira

I like them all except Kira and Alice.

but Kira is the only one that utter annoys me. Such a drama queen.

that "hate" on Kira is interesting because she has the second most progress with MC. her story is quite wholesome overall. though the tsundere part was not necessary.

haha the more you talk about your dislike for Alice the more you are gonna get me to replay that part of the story. As I recall everyone hating it my first playing since I was only on Eliza's path then. When I replayed the game like 4 months ago that scene honestly didn't feel as bad to me as was thought to believe. So now im starting to question myself on that part of the story haha.

I don't recall it being that bad either.
Alice was already trying to get attention from MC long before.

Honestly, Pearl's betrayal annoyed me more than Kira's. I was surprised to find so much hate for Kira and not for Pearl when I came here, to be honest.

Kira's resulted in frankly a minor delay at worst. Pearl's could have feasibly resulted in the chalice vanishing to some completely unknown spot on the planet if someone in Looter's Bay had used it, essentially permanently dooming Eliza to not being healed. Unless Lucid can tell where it is and point us in the right direction, which feels like a big "if".

Yeah. Pearl's betrayal felt much much worse. Kira's betrayal could be brushed off easily as a formality on the way.

For me, Kira made a deal with the Adventurer's guild with the intention of seeing what her and her father could get out of it. She took MC to him for her own greed and doesn't apologize for her betrayal, MC says he feels betrayed, but within seconds is over it and forgives her cause he's drooling over her.

For Pearl, she didn't actually betray anyone, because she made no deal with the MC or the Guild. She was also blackmailed into doing it at risk of her sister's life. Sure, she could have done things differently, but she was torn and trying to protect her sister. She was also extremely apologetic to MC and remorseful for not doing things differently.

Kira didn't have a deal with the guild. they owed the guildmaster a favor. there was no deal.
and it's not really a betrayal. she had to go see her father. it's like a mandatory formality that they disclose what they are looking for. like all pirates have to go see the pirate king on their way to get loot, so he gets a cut. the bad part was that she wanted her father's approval to get some kind of affection and recognition compared to her sister, but it's quickly replaced by love for MC anyway as she lives that encounter as unfair and useless.
Also Pearl was part of the "deal". She also owed that favor. It's not just Kira. So Pearl shares that betrayal, she knew and accepted. Pearl had heart to heart talks every night with MC, and she didn't say anything at all, not even once. Well all the crew knew. Especially the third pirate girl whose life was saved by MC and didn't tell MC where they were headed, even after sucking his dick everyday on the way...

Pearl's betrayal is far much worse. even if she had a "good" reason, it's still a huge betrayal especially because she knows the stakes for MC and why he is on that quest. it's not like MC wanted the chalice for himself or for monetary gain... and even if her father blackmailed her into it, it's still a selfish decision, she should have spoken up. because it's her sister's life, it's not for Pearl to decide what to do with it. Let Kira decide what to do with her own life. They are pirates. they murdered and pillaged tons of people. it was also more of an emotional blackmail, and it was a gamble. there was a pretty big chance that her father wouldn't do it.

Actually, it could have been pretty interesting to make it a choice where we have to choose between saving Kira or saving Eliza. (even if the overall story resolves it later with the same fight).

 

[Krytax123]

that "hate" on Kira is interesting because she has the second most progress with MC. her story is quite wholesome overall. though the tsundere part was not necessary.



I don't recall it being that bad either.
Alice was already trying to get attention from MC long before.



Yeah. Pearl's betrayal felt much much worse. Kira's betrayal could be brushed off easily as a formality on the way.



Kira didn't have a deal with the guild. they owed the guildmaster a favor. there was no deal.
and it's not really a betrayal. she had to go see her father. it's like a mandatory formality that they disclose what they are looking for. like all pirates have to go see the pirate king on their way to get loot, so he gets a cut. the bad part was that she wanted her father's approval to get some kind of affection and recognition compared to her sister, but it's quickly replaced by love for MC anyway as she lives that encounter as unfair and useless.
Also Pearl was part of the "deal". She also owed that favor. It's not just Kira. So Pearl shares that betrayal, she knew and accepted. Pearl had heart to heart talks every night with MC, and she didn't say anything at all, not even once. Well all the crew knew. Especially the third pirate girl whose life was saved by MC and didn't tell MC where they were headed, even after sucking his dick everyday on the way...

Pearl's betrayal is far much worse. even if she had a "good" reason, it's still a huge betrayal especially because she knows the stakes for MC and why he is on that quest. it's not like MC wanted the chalice for himself or for monetary gain... and even if her father blackmailed her into it, it's still a selfish decision, she should have spoken up. because it's her sister's life, it's not for Pearl to decide what to do with it. Let Kira decide what to do with her own life. They are pirates. they murdered and pillaged tons of people. it was also more of an emotional blackmail, and it was a gamble. there was a pretty big chance that her father wouldn't do it.

Actually, it could have been pretty interesting to make it a choice where we have to choose between saving Kira or saving Eliza. (even if the overall story resolves it later with the same fight).

I think Pearls betrayal felt less bad for most players as our connection is barely established with Pearl. We had like one conversation in the night with her and have to assume this went on (but we never saw it) so imo its not this much of a big deal.

Kira's betrayal was a bit strange but i dont think its the main part why people dislike her. Imo Kira's whole behavior feels completly out of place for a setting like this, she behaves like a short japanese anime tsundere girl.

Plus imo its very awkward to have two cute/sweet/wholesome romances at the exactly same time (Eliza & Kira) where the mc is all over them emotionally, it just makes it dishonest/less believeable to me. The way he interacts with Alice or Luna for example feels way more fitting for a situation like that.

Her model isnt the biggest hit for me either

 

[Dessolos]

I think Pearls betrayal felt less bad for most players as our connection is barely established with Pearl. We had like one conversation in the night with her and have to assume this went on (but we never saw it) so imo its not this much of a big deal.

Kira's betrayal was a bit strange but i dont think its the main part why people dislike her. Imo Kira's whole behavior feels completly out of place for a setting like this, she behaves like a short japanese anime tsundere girl.

Plus imo its very awkward to have two cute/sweet/wholesome romances at the exactly same time (Eliza & Kira) where the mc is all over them emotionally, it just makes it dishonest/less believeable to me. The way he interacts with Alice or Luna for example feels way more fitting for a situation like that.

Her model isnt the biggest hit for me either

to add on to you what you said doesn't help she doesn't take a hint and you have to deny her like 3 or 4 times within the same storyline arc. Besides the romance moving to fast. I wouldn't of minded her a romance / her character if it didn't happen so quickly felt like to much to quick.

 

[HiP1]

to add on to you what you said doesn't help she doesn't take a hint and you have to deny her like 3 or 4 times within the same storyline arc. Besides the romance moving to fast. I wouldn't of minded her a romance / her character if it didn't happen so quickly felt like to much to quick.

actually, Eliza is worse in that regards, you have to refuse her dozens of times before she gets the hint. the games has many choices where you can get off and back on Eliza's path constantly. it's so weird.
it's pretty much the same for all the girls but at a lesser rate. Eliza and Kira just have way more content than any other girl.

 

[Dessolos]

actually, Eliza is worse in that regards, you have to refuse her dozens of times before she gets the hint. the games has many choices where you can get off and back on Eliza's path constantly. it's so weird.
it's pretty much the same for all the girls but at a lesser rate. Eliza and Kira just have way more content than any other girl.

not within a short time frame tho that's the difference. For Kira it's like 3 or 4 times within 1 - 2 hours of play while Eliza it's spread apart through the entire game. But I do agree it's weird having to constantly turn her down it's like the branching choices don't even matter. I'm hoping the Major ones will. Tho I will say The princess and Luna are catching up to the amount of content Kira has at least feels like it to me.

 

[Pgsurprise]

Also, I hate the unbreakable bond with Eliza..bitch is always around him like a lost puppy...i really hope we get an evil choice to kill her or use her in some nefarious way I'm not really interested in her anyway but I don't like when in some AVns(especially harem) girls are stuck to you like glue.

I don't really dislike her, but I think she and MC are annoying because five minutes after meeting her they're head over heels in love. Some people complain about going to sex too fast, but for me it's "this is my first kiss, I must be in love" that makes me cringe.

 

[MiltonPowers]

I don't really dislike her, but I think she and MC are annoying because five minutes after meeting her they're head over heels in love. Some people complain about going to sex too fast, but for me it's "this is my first kiss, I must be in love" that makes me cringe.

I was ok with it, because I was in love with Eliza before the first kiss.

 

[Pgsurprise]

I was ok with it, because I was in love with Eliza before the first kiss.

She is way too animated for my taste. And, if she were real, she's way too needy.

 

[Dessolos]

She is way too animated for my taste. And, if she were real, she's way too needy.

Honestly if Eliza was real she be kind of the perfect girl for me in real life. I don't really mind people that are needy unless it's something crazy that I just cant or wont do. At least if it's someone I enjoy spending time with and in my head Eliza id enjoy spending time with her with or without the sex.

 

[MiltonPowers]

She is way too animated for my taste. And, if she were real, she's way too needy.

I could calm her down. I'd at least try for those looks and body.

 

[humpgorilla]

Someone know if this game will be released on steam at some point?

 

[Dessolos]

Someone know if this game will be released on steam at some point?

Yeah when each season is completed there is 3 planned seasons if I recall correctly. Not sure how much more is left in Season 1 I know we are at least getting a chapter 6 but beyond that no idea.

 

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[Rehwyn]

LOL, it was opposite when I got here. People were going off about Pearl, but no one said anything about Kira (it's probably my fault, I started bitching about it, Hahaha).

Why I see it as worse, and this is just my opinion, I know others will see it differently.

For me, Kira made a deal with the Adventurer's guild with the intention of seeing what her and her father could get out of it. She took MC to him for her own greed and doesn't apologize for her betrayal, MC says he feels betrayed, but within seconds is over it and forgives her cause he's drooling over her.

For Pearl, she didn't actually betray anyone, because she made no deal with the MC or the Guild. She was also blackmailed into doing it at risk of her sister's life. Sure, she could have done things differently, but she was torn and trying to protect her sister. She was also extremely apologetic to MC and remorseful for not doing things differently.

I can see how someone could see that perspective.

I think in my case, in this type of world it's easier to forgive someone that betrays me before they really know me compared to if we've grown close, and I don't need there to be a specific "deal" for a betrayal to occur if someone close to me does something knowing it'll hurt me or someone else I care about. I also got the impression the even if Kira wasn't blackmailed, she was still coerced/deceived by her father. It's been a while since I've played that segment, but some of her facial expressions seemed to imply more remorse even if she didn't say as many words.

In either case, if you're on Kira's path she seems to me to more than make it up to you afterwards and Pearl's reasons for betraying you are understandable for the reasons you stated, even if my character's initial reaction was quick frustration and anger. So I was pretty quick to forgive both, with the understanding it won't happen again.

 

[HornyyPussy]

I can see how someone could see that perspective.

I think in my case, in this type of world it's easier to forgive someone that betrays me before they know me compared to if we've grown close, and I don't need there to be a specific "deal" for a betrayal to occur if someone does something knowing it'll hurt me or someone else I care about. I also got the impression the even if Kira wasn't blackmailed, she was still coerced/deceived my her father. It's been a while since I've played that segment, but some of her facial expressions seemed to imply more remorse even if she didn't say as many words.

In either case, if you're on Kira's path she seems to me to more than make it up to you afterwards and Pearl's reasons for betraying you are understandable for the reasons you stated, even if my character's initial reaction was quick frustration and anger. So I was pretty quick to forgive both, with the understanding it won't happen again.

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[Rehwyn]

Plus imo its very awkward to have two cute/sweet/wholesome romances at the exactly same time (Eliza & Kira) where the mc is all over them emotionally, it just makes it dishonest/less believeable to me. The way he interacts with Alice or Luna for example feels way more fitting for a situation like that.

That's an interesting perspective I hadn't considered. Personally, I don't see an inherent conflict between having more than one sweet/wholesome romance if it's consensual (not personally in a poly relationship, but comfortable with the idea and know several people that are in long-term committed ones).

The fact MC doesn't talk about consensual non-monogamy does make it feel sketchier to me, but the dev has essentially said that's the societal expectation and there won't be much discussion about it, so I've had to suspend my disbelief in that particular matter. I kind of just mentally handwaved that my MC would have talked about it off-camera.

to add on to you what you said doesn't help she doesn't take a hint and you have to deny her like 3 or 4 times within the same storyline arc. Besides the romance moving to fast. I wouldn't of minded her a romance / her character if it didn't happen so quickly felt like to much to quick.

I think feeling this way is likely due to a disconnect between player time vs game time. We have like, what, a week of in-game time with Eliza before reaching the capital? And I don't think her injury is much longer after that. But that's many hours of player time. By comparison, the sailing journey to Inmortui is supposedly a month, but is like 1 hour or less of game time. So even if chronologically MC has had quite a bit of time to grow close to Kira (possibly even more time than Eliza), it could feel rushed to a player since there's a lot less player time getting to know them.

 

[Krytax123]

That's an interesting perspective I hadn't considered. Personally, I don't see an inherent conflict between having more than one sweet/wholesome romance if it's consensual (not personally in a poly relationship, but comfortable with the idea and know several people that are in long-term committed ones).

The fact MC doesn't talk about consensual non-monogamy does make it feel sketchier to me, but the dev has essentially said that's the societal expectation and there won't be much discussion about it, so I've had to suspend my disbelief in that particular matter. I kind of just mentally handwaved that my MC would have talked about it off-camera.

Yeah we had long discussions here about the sketchiness of keeping LI's a secret and Buu participated in that, hes says its normal in this society (despite Eliza's jealousy and thoughts about that .. ) and thats it kinda. We got a conversation between Alice and Eliza now which clarified that both are aware of it at least.

About the poly point, yeah thats just a personality thing i guess.

I just cant imagine ever loving a girl whos at the same time in love with another guy and its the same the other way around.

Maaaaybe i would be able to fall equally in love at the same time with two girls (i very much doubt it) but even than it would kinda damage their characters for me if they just accept it. I guess i like a certain kind (to a degree) of possesiveness in relationships lmao

I like how its handled with Luna (when already being in a relationship with Eliza and whoever else), its kinda casual and the MC is confident yet feelings can develop and its not a simple fuckbuddy relationship.

I just couldnt really take the mc nonstop drooling/worshipping Eliza in his thoughts just to step on a ship and immediatly switch to apply the same behavior to kira lol