VN Ren'Py Nephilim [v0.6.0] [BuuPlays]

[storm1051787]

Kira & Selena knowingly put MC and/or Eliza in mortal danger, they are both fully aware of the danger to their lives (from Taron/Blackbeard) and still do it. Neither showed any remorse or apologized for doing it.

Kira did not knowingly put the mc in danger. All she did was take him to meet her father instead of taking him directly to the island like he asked, and she is shown to feel guilty about it literally right after telling the mc about it. She also says outright that she didn't actually believe that Blackheart was going to hurt him.


I don't know what it is with you guys and selective memory.

 

[MiltonPowers]

Kira did not knowingly put the mc in danger. All she did was take him to meet her father instead of taking him directly to the island like he asked, and she is shown to feel guilty about it literally right after telling the mc about it.


I don't know what it is with you guys and selective memory.

How about you check your own memory? My memory is just fine.

This is pretty clearly knowingly in danger!




She shows some guilt in her thoughts, but not a thing to MC or an apology.

 

[storm1051787]

How about you check your own memory? My memory is just fine.

This is pretty clearly knowingly in danger!

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She shows some guilt in her thoughts, but not a thing to MC or an apology. And what are you talking about? You said Kira never shown any guilt. She immediately starts looking to the side and you can tell from her facial expression that she looks guilty

Like I said selective memory. You're own quotes say the same thing I just did. She didn't believe blackheart would hurt the mc. She only thought mc would get hurt if he choose to withhold information.

As for apologizing her saying that she doesn't want to do this counts as an apology to me especially after she talks to the mc. She did not believe the mc was ever in mortal danger

 

[Dessolos]

Kira did not knowingly put the mc in danger. All she did was take him to meet her father instead of taking him directly to the island like he asked, and she is shown to feel guilty about it literally right after telling the mc about it.


I don't know what it is with you guys and selective memory.

I have to disagree . id say taking the MC to a pirate port town instead of his destination. As well as forcing him to meet with her father who she knows is someone not to be fucked and kills indiscriminately and forced them to do horrible actions growing up without knowing if he would try to kill him , let him ago or what is putting him in danger.

Now I don't think she purposely did it with bad intentions but it doesn't change the fact that he was in potential danger if he wasn't a Nephilim because he didn't know if the other pirates would not try something. He was essential surrounded by people that would see him as a target. Now nothing happened but it doesn't change the fact the potential was there so she did put him in danger as she had no idea about his powers yet.

 

[storm1051787]

I have to disagree . id say taking the MC to a pirate port town instead of his destination. As well as forcing him to meet with her father who she knows is someone not to be fucked and kills indiscriminately and forced them to do horrible actions growing up without knowing if he would try to kill him , let him ago or what is putting him in danger.

Now I don't think she purposely did it with bad intentions but it doesn't change the fact that he was in potential danger if he wasn't a Nephilim because he didn't know if the other pirates would not try something. He was essential surrounded by people that would see him as a target. Now nothing happened but it doesn't change the fact the potential was there so she did put him in danger as she had no idea about his powers yet.

She says her dialogue very clearly that she though he'd be fine if he just tells blackheart what he's after, she also didn't know what he was after or that it was anything important. She thought he was just treasure hunting. It's a betrayal in that she's potentially preventing the mc from getting something that's exteremly valuble, but she had no idea about Eliza or anything.

We also never hear anything about blackheart killing indiscriminately. He explicably kills people he considers enemies, not just random guys for no reason. And the other pirates wouldn't do anything as long as Kira was with him unless blackheart ordered otherwise.

 

[Dessolos]

She says her dialogue very clearly that she though he'd be fine if he just tells blackheart what he's after,

that doesn't matter she had no idea how the outcome would go she could guess how it would go if he did what she said but didn't know for 100% certainty nothing bad would happen. Especially when she knows he can be rather violent

We also never hear anything about blackheart killing indiscriminately. He explicably kills people he considers enemies, not just random guys for no reason. And the other pirates wouldn't do anything as long as Kira was with him unless blackheart ordered otherwise.

maybe not indiscriminately but unhinged and kills rather easily especially with that ring corrupting him. As for the other pirates I would say you are only right about the ones loyal to the twins but there were ones that were loyal to Blackheart that didn't give a fuck. Like the one that tried to rape Kelly.

 

[MiltonPowers]

Like I said selective memory. You're own quotes say the same thing I just did. She didn't believe blackheart would hurt the mc. She only thought mc would get hurt if he choose to withhold information.

As for apologizing her saying that she doesn't want to do this counts as an apology to me especially after she talks to the mc. She did not believe the mc was ever in mortal danger

Wow! and you say I have a selective memory.

 

[Deleted member 6503042]

Btw storm1051787 , it's nice you have come here. I've managed to have a little time to check Diana fight. MC got fatally wounded once, not twice. Also, he ends the fight twice. At first, he quickly moves and hits Diana and make her flying, then she hit the hull of the ship. MC stops the fight to talk to her instead of ending her. Secondly, MC grabs her by the neck and basically ends the fight. He did not break her neck because he does not want to kill her. There is even a dialogue option there, the interrupt there is that long. Then, at the end they knock each other down but while he recovers, she almost died. So MC, heals her. If you count ice cube thing as second knock out, it's not because while Diana preparing final blow there he melts the ice. All in all, even according to your round counting way MC is the winner of that fight.

Round 1 : Diana stabs MC's neck. Diana's win.
Round 2 : MC yeets Diana to ship's hull. MC's win.
Round 3 : MC grabs the Diana by her neck. MC's win.
Round 4 : Diana and MC knock each other out but Diana gets more damage. MC's win.

Final score : MC 3 - Diana 1

Or we can look at my way and say, MC reached his goal by saving twins. MC won the fight.

Or we can look at as one continues fight. They knock each other out at the end. Diana got hurt more and almost died. MC won the fight.

In all cases MC won. Toodaloo.

 

[storm1051787]

that doesn't matter she had no idea how the outcome would go she could guess how it would go if he did what she said but didn't know for 100% certainty nothing bad would happen. Especially when she knows he can be rather violent

Maybe for you it doesn't matter. For me it makes a big difference. To me it tells me that Kira believed he wasn't in any real danger and just thought she was robbing him.

maybe not indiscriminately but unhinged and kills rather easily especially with that ring corrupting him. As for the other pirates I would say you are only right about the ones loyal to the twins but there were ones that were loyal to Blackheart that didn't give a fuck. Like the one that tried to rape Kelly.

She didn't even know about the ring corrupting him. He's had that ring for at least 15 years. And the only reason why Brenna was acting out was because Blackheart was gone. They never tried anything while he was still in power.

Wow! and you say I have a selective memory.

She literally says he won't hurt him if he just tells blackheart what he knows.

 

[MiltonPowers]

She literally says he won't hurt him if he just tells blackheart what he knows.

And what happens if he's not a pussy and refuses to talk?

 

[storm1051787]

Btw storm1051787 , it's nice you have come here. I've managed to have a little time to check Diana fight. MC got fatally wounded once, not twice. Also, he ends the fight twice. At first, he quickly moves and hits Diana and make her flying, then she hit the hull of the ship. MC stops the fight to talk to her instead of ending her. Secondly, MC grabs her by the neck and basically ends the fight. He did not break her neck because he does not want to kill her. There is even a dialogue option there, the interrupt there is that long. Then, at the end they knock each other down but while he recovers, she almost died. So MC, heals her. If you count ice cube thing as second knock out, it's not because while Diana preparing final blow there he melts the ice. All in all, even according to your round counting way MC is the winner of that fight.

Round 1 : Diana stabs MC's neck. Diana's win.
Round 2 : MC yeets Diana to ship's hull. MC's win.
Round 3 : MC grabs the Diana by her neck. MC's win.
Round 4 : Diana and MC knock each other out but Diana gets more damage. MC's win.

Final score : MC 3 - Diana 1

Or we can look at my way and say, MC reached his goal by saving twins. MC won the fight.

Or we can look at as one continues fight. They knock each other out at the end. Diana got hurt more and almost died. MC won the fight.

In all cases MC won. Toodaloo.

Are you literally ignoring the part where she frozen him in a block of ice and walk away because she thought he was dead. Picking Diana up doesn't matter since she was still fighting and managed to break away same with the mc blasting her back.


If we're counting mc knocking her back once as a lot why not count the beginning where Diana sends him flying? And why are you counting a double knock out as a win for one but a lost for the other?

This doesn't really sound like a good faith argument.

 

[Dessolos]

She didn't even know about the ring corrupting him. He's had that ring for at least 15 years. And the only reason why Brenna was acting out was because Blackheart was gone. They never tried anything while he was still in power.

I never said she knew about the ring. I was just talking about blackhearts violent behavior which Kira knew he was rather violent , more than your average pirate.

 

[storm1051787]

And what happens if he's not a pussy and refuses to talk?

Then that would be the same as commiting suicide wouldn't? That's like trying to jump the guy mugging you. A sensible person isn't going to do that. Case in point she figured that the mc would be sensible and not try to fight blackheart

I never said she knew about the ring. I was just talking about blackhearts violent behavior which Kira knew he was rather violent.

He's violent, but we've already discussed he hasn't been shown to kill being indiscriminately.

 

[MiltonPowers]

Then that would be the same as commiting suicide wouldn't? That's like trying to jump the guy mugging you. A sensible person isn't going to do that. Case in point she figured that the mc would be sensible and not try to fight blackheart

I don't think you know what selective memory is. I'm using the dialogue we are given, you're using your interpretation of what she was thinking and worked out.

Kira knowingly put MC in danger (as proven by the screenshots). It's a 50/50 chance he would get hurt, he answers or he doesn't. But, she is still putting him in that danger. She knew there was chance. No matter how much you try and spin it that she expected him to fold, she was still putting him in danger.

 

[storm1051787]

I don't think you know what selective memory is. I'm using the dialogue we are given, you're using your interpretation of what she was thinking and worked out.

Kira knowingly put MC in danger (as proven by the screenshots). It's a 50/50 chance he would get hurt, he answers or he doesn't. But, she is still putting him in that danger. She knew there was chance. No matter how much you try and spin it that she expected him to fold, she was still putting him in danger.

It's selective memory because your claiming stuff that happened didn't happen. You said Kira never shows any remorse. She actively showed remorse. Then you ignore the fact that she mentions that Blackheart wouldn't hurt him if he doesn't withhold information.

The only way there was a chance is if the mc directly goes against her advice but she's literally telling him how he can make it through the encounter unharmed. So yes how you spin it matters a lot. If I tell you to go through the bad part of town with a body guard and a police escort would you still blame me for putting you in danger even though I'm actively trying to protect you?

 

[MiltonPowers]

It's selective memory because your claiming stuff that happened didn't happen. You said Kira never shows any remorse. She actively showed remorse. Then you ignore the fact that she mentions that Blackheart wouldn't hurt him if he doesn't withhold information.

The only way there was a chance is if the mc directly goes against her advice but she's literally telling him how he can make it through the encounter unharmed. So yes how you spin it matters a lot. If I tell you to go through the bad part of town with a body guard and a police escort would you still blame me for putting you in danger even though I'm actively trying to protect you?

I'm out. I'm not getting caught up in one of your endless debates again. I have nothing more to add.

 

[storm1051787]

I'm out. I'm not getting caught up in one of your endless debates again. I have nothing more to add.

Then what's the point in commenting?

Imo I don't think Kira believed mc was in any real danger and I don't think Kira did anything wrong in that moment other than lie to the mc.

 

[Deleted member 6503042]

Are you literally ignoring the part where she frozen him in a block of ice and walk away because she thought he was dead.

I am not ignoring, I mentioned at the end. She give the kiss, put MC in ice and started to prepare finishing blow, she did not walked away there. Before she managed to hit the finishing blow, he melted the ice.

If we're counting mc knocking her back once as a lot why not count the beginning where Diana sends him flying? And why are you counting a double knock out as a win for one but a lost for the other?

They weren't fighting there, she hit him out of nowhere while he was trying to explain the situation. You can't count that. Also, when he made her flying out, she was not able to get up and MC started to talk there, giving her time to recover. For double knock out, as I explained, he gave significantly more damage. If he did not heal her, she could die. So I gave the point towards him.

This doesn't really sound like a good faith argument.

I really don't agree with this one. I was as fair as you and looked at it objectively. If anything, you skipping MC's holding her by her neck part was unfair. That really was an end to the fight. He could have break her neck there. They even have eye locking romance thing. MC had a chance to say how beautiful she is (she is gorgeous btw) and so on. You did not give any point to MC there.

It is clear victory for MC whichever point of view you look at and anything else being said on the topic would be coping.

Imo I don't think Kira believed mc was in any real danger and I don't think Kira did anything wrong in that moment other than lie to the mc.

Blackbeard literally threatened to kill MC on the spot. MC should not be in there if Kira did not brought him there by lying. What could she do more beside literally backstabbing MC there? I do like these types of discussions on forums but I feel like you are saying things just to say things.

 

[storm1051787]

Blackbeard literally threatened to kill MC on the spot. MC should not be in there if Kira did not brought him there by lying. What could she do more beside literally backstabbing MC there? I do like these types of discussions on forums but I feel like you are saying things just to say things.

He did not threaten to kill mc on the spot he jokes and says "should I embrace you as a father in law" or "hang you for laying eyes on my daughter" when he notes that Kira and Pearl both seem to have a crush on him. Then he laughs all mc's responsibes no matter what he says and lets him go.

I am not ignoring, I mentioned at the end. She give the kiss, put MC in ice and started to prepare finishing blow, she did not walked away there. Before she managed to hit the finishing blow, he melted the ice.

She literally turned around and started talking to him

Also, when he made her flying out, she was not able to get up and MC started to talk there, giving her time to recover. For double knock out, as I explained, he gave significantly more damage.

She literally got directly up again, she wasn't even fully knocked down like the mc was earlier just hunched over and trying to regain her balance

MC had a chance to say how beautiful she is (she is gorgeous btw) and so on. You did not give any point to MC there.

Which is like maybe 3 seconds? The whole time she was actively struggling and fighting against him and managed to break free? Why would you count a chokehold as a win if a person manages to break free? And again why does that count as a win but not being frozen?

For double knock out, as I explained, he gave significantly more damage. If he did not heal her, she could die. So I gave the point towards him.

This point doesn't make any sense at all. Mc literally admits that he would have died twice in there fight without his regen ability. She also stops to talk to him while he's in a block of ice. It just seems like you're applying a lot of double standards here.


Mc did not inflict more damage, Both their attacks were enough to knock the other one out. Diana inflicted more damage but Mc has a faster recovery time then wasn't able to keep up any more and her final attack was enough to knock him out for good

 

[Dessolos]

Storm right now