VN Ren'Py Nephilim [v0.6.0] [BuuPlays]

[storm1051787]

Was this a one-off remake or will remakes continue coming with updates?

It can hardly even be called a remake to be honest. All he really did was add a few extra scenes in the prologue and add his aunt, the black smiths daughter and alice's mom as love interests. Then he just added in a "leadership" skill for some parts od the mid game. Aside from that the game is 90% the same as it was before.

 

[MiltonPowers]

Is Flynn taking his shot? Again?

 

[falconhawk223]

I just find it a bit funny that buu suddenly decided to throw in a bunch of forced, unnatural dialogue about how MC's aunt and cousins are not blood-related(even though Patreon still considers that incest),

Coward

 

[Quetzzz]

Dev probably want the 1st nephilim guy to be revived or something by Tarron before killing him for story or something.

That's where the story seems to be headed. Or, Taron will die right before Balhazar gets freed, creating a new call to action for the MC.
And there's also the civil war angle. It's possible the MC will have to officially pick a side because he's a lord now.

OK So This is my little thing: I have read a few of the Vampire-Masquerade franchise book(Carnival of the Red Death) and others. With vampires it is considered his/her offspring when someone is turned by him/her into a vampire.

That's pretty much how Lucid described it. Her demons were (like) her children.

I kinda became mellowed out towards taron at this point, it feels like all this shit happened in a former life, its so long ago. All this filler, even if we get our revenge on taron now, it will feel a bit lackluster as the MC didnt seemed to consider it this important himself ...

Yep, that signals a pacing issue in the story. We're assuming that Taron is no match for the current MC and Elize, so his reckoning is long overdue. As a villain, he's also fairly impotent. He's not a constant threat.

And i dont think Taron wants to become the vessel for balthazar lol

I think you're right. Seeing how he interacts with others, it's clear he thinks Balthazar will reward him. If he wanted to become Balthazar's vessel, then this would be his reward.

 

[TsubameYui]

It can hardly even be called a remake to be honest. All he really did was add a few extra scenes in the prologue and add his aunt, the black smiths daughter and alice's mom as love interests. Then he just added in a "leadership" skill for some parts od the mid game. Aside from that the game is 90% the same as it was before.

Not a remake, but he reworked/expanded a lot of lore, aside from the aforementioned LI additions. The lore additions include a brief overview of a number of archdemons, as well as the rulers of each continent. I doubt he'll add much more, if anything, to the early game, as asking players to restart such a long game *again* would not go over well.

He also added a "harem path" choice early on, but it feels pretty slapshod. The idea was to make LIs, especially Eliza, seem less jealous, by explaining that Luxeron culture encourages powerful men to build harems. Unfortunately, he hardly adjusted any of Eliza's, nor any other jealous LIs', dialogue in the early-mid game to account for this change, so it ended up a bit jarring and disjointed.

Future updates will likely take more advantage of these changes, but unless he is okay with the early-mid game feeling very awkward, he'll eventually have to make significantly more changes there, but hopefully nothing that will actually require another restart.

That's pretty much how Lucid described it. Her demons were (like) her children.

Except, unlike VtM, this isn't a vampire turning another human into a vampire. Eliza was transformed by the power of a literal goddess. Lucid did not mince words, and she wasn't vague about it. She said the chalice would fundamentally change Eliza's entire being, and that she would become part of her direct bloodline. She also explicitly states that all of her creations (including vampires) *are* her children, not just *like* her children.

 

[Quetzzz]

She also explicitly states that all of her creations (including vampires) *are* her children, not just *like* her children.

I'm not sure if there's a difference between "are" and "like" from the perspective of a goddess. They're not conceived, and she's not literally giving birth to them. A bloodline for a god could work entirely differently from how it does for humans, so that straight comparisons are impossible. Instead of sharing Lucid's DNA, they would most likely inherit a piece of her power or a kind of esoteric link to her domain.
Pedantics and theorycrafting aside, you're right that she said that they are her children; the "like" was my own nuance.

 

[Krytax123]

I think you're right. Seeing how he interacts with others, it's clear he thinks Balthazar will reward him. If he wanted to become Balthazar's vessel, then this would be his reward.

I kinda have a different suspicion which is that - looking at the big picture - taron may be even an ally as stupid as it sounds.

I think he is aware that its unequestionable that Balthazar is coming back and is afraid of it/him. He seems to work with/for the cult out of fear and is considered the vessel for balthazar (which he doesnt want to be lol as unlike most cultist, he isnt a believer).

I suspect hes kinda a spy in the cult and when he became aware of the timelimit of balthazars return, he started moving and killed the MC's parents as MC was lacking training and power from his perspective to ever get powerful enough in time.

Oren seemed aware of this too, as he saw Taron at the marketplace and knew it would begin.

Which did lead to the MC being trained 10 years by Oren, which gave him the possibility to become more powerful quicker.

We dont know how Taron made the MC come to the capital atm, he seemed unaware of Oren's death, maybe he just banked on the MCs thrist for revenge or knew Oren would point the MC towards him at some point.

After MC arrived at the Capital he kept throwing managable challanges at the mc like the orc beserker, sending him to get the chalice or the werewolf, fingding the mage in the same cell like eliza and getting the symbiote thanks to that seemed suspisciously easy too. He could have killed eliza at any point when MC was with the pirates if it was really just about torturing the MC for taron but he didnt do anything.

So i think in his own weird, merciless, gruesome way Taron is ... mentoring the MC.

It is very possible that without Tarons interferance, the MC would be a weak bitch when balthazar comes back in a few years and instakilled and the world doomed. Maybe Taron was the savior all along.

Even if that would be the case, he of course still has to die for what he did but i kinda feel like Taron already is aware of that he will be killed by mc and prefers it over becoming balthazars vessel which kinda would make me respect him.

 

[Quetzzz]

I think he is aware that its unequestionable that Balthazar is coming back and is afraid of it/him. He seems to work with/for the cult out of fear and is considered the vessel for balthazar (which he doesnt want to be lol as unlike most cultist, he isnt a believer).

If that is true, why does he want to influence the MC to become driven by anger and vengeance? Even if he's convinced that there's nothing anyone can do to stop the return of Balthazar, how does that fit in his plan? Instead, I think the MC is supposed to become Balthazar's vessel.

I suspect hes kinda a spy in the cult and when he became aware of the timelimit of balthazars return, he started moving and killed the MC's parents as MC was lacking training and power from his perspective to ever get powerful enough in time.

I think there's some truth to this. Taron seems to be playing the cult, though I see this more as political maneuvering and the lust for power instead of trying to defeat Balthazar somehow. But now that the MC's interventions are making Taron less useful to the cult, I think he's realizing he's just a tool to them. He's a rat, and I don't think it's unlikely he'll try and switch sides to survive.

Oren seemed aware of this too, as he saw Taron at the marketplace and knew it would begin.

Which did lead to the MC being trained 10 years by Oren, which gave him the possibility to become more powerful quicker.

We don't know what Oren was aware of. He did a bad job at preparing the MC for the larger issues with his existence. As far as we know, Oren only told the MC about the legend of Balthazar. It's possible Owen only knew that Taron's presence in the town was a sign of trouble and decided to follow him. It didn't seem Owen was only there to check up on the MC or even knew who he was before seeing him absorb the power from his mother.
I don't remember if it was explained why Oren didn't manage to save the MC's parents.

We dont know how Taron made the MC come to the capital atm, he seemed unaware of Oren's death, maybe he just banked on the MCs thrist for revenge or knew Oren would point the MC towards him at some point.

Oren didn't send the MC to the capital directly. He asked the MC to find and look out for Elize, going to the capital to find who killed his parents was his own initiative.

After MC arrived at the Capital he kept throwing managable challanges at the mc like the orc beserker, sending him to get the chalice or the werewolf, fingding the mage in the same cell like eliza and getting the symbiote thanks to that seemed suspisciously easy too. He could have killed eliza at any point when MC was with the pirates if it was really just about torturing the MC for taron but he didnt do anything.

I think this is a reasonable interpretation... But there's so much sloppy writing in this game that I can believe this was the intent.
There is a common thread of Taron wanting the MC to become stronger, and I assumed this was to serve as Balthazar's vessel. With the idea being that no matter how strong the MC got, he wouldn't be a match for Balthazar when he got freed.

So i think in his own weird, merciless, gruesome way Taron is ... mentoring the MC.

It is very possible that without Tarons interferance, the MC would be a weak bitch when balthazar comes back in a few years and instakilled and the world doomed. Maybe Taron was the savior all along.

Even if that would be the case, he of course still has to die for what he did but i kinda feel like Taron already is aware of that he will be killed by mc and prefers it over becoming balthazars vessel which kinda would make me respect him.

I do agree with this sentiment. Taron is mentoring the MC in a way. I'm just not convinced it's for altruistic reasons or as a way to fight Balthazar. Taron seems too self-serving and in pursuit of power to me.
It's still possible for him to try and turn the tables using this argument. The king ordered Taron to be caught alive. So it's likely he'll be in jail by the time the cult gains even more prominence. It wouldn't surprise me if he tries to manipulate the MC and propose a deal in return for information. This guy will do anything to survive.

 

[xapican]

MC can't be Balthasars vessel, he is Nephilim like him, and like his father.
Taron is Power hungry, he wants Balthasars power, but he wants to keep his own mind.

 

[Krytax123]

If that is true, why does he want to influence the MC to become driven by anger and vengeance? Even if he's convinced that there's nothing anyone can do to stop the return of Balthazar, how does that fit in his plan? Instead, I think the MC is supposed to become Balthazar's vessel.

I somehow dont think a nephilim can become a vessel for a nephilim, but thats maybe just my headcannon lol. Nobody in the cult seems rather concerned about the host or taron being the host is considered any problem either. Considering theres a good (oren?) and evil (taron?) path, it seems like both ways could lead to the same goal.

I think there's some truth to this. Taron seems to be playing the cult, though I see this more as political maneuvering and the lust for power instead of trying to defeat Balthazar somehow. But now that the MC's interventions are making Taron less useful to the cult, I think he's realizing he's just a tool to them. He's a rat, and I don't think it's unlikely he'll try and switch sides to survive.

I think from Taron perspective they are just crazy lunatics (he isnt wrong about that lol) but he doesnt seem to have the possibility to disengage from them. These guys worship balthazar while i guess taron just sees balthazar as a incredibly powerful being (animal?) which wont give a fuck about him or his wishes anyway and lead to a world which is kinda shit even for a villain like taron.

We don't know what Oren was aware of. He did a bad job at preparing the MC for the larger issues with his existence. As far as we know, Oren only told the MC about the legend of Balthazar. It's possible Owen only knew that Taron's presence in the town was a sign of trouble and decided to follow him. It didn't seem Owen was only there to check up on the MC or even knew who he was before seeing him absorb the power from his mother.
I don't remember if it was explained why Oren didn't manage to save the MC's parents.

When Oren sees Taron at the marketplace hes thinking something like "i thought i had more time" so it seems like he knew that taron was coming for the MC sooner or later. Oren, Taron (and Dalen?) all somehow seem to have attained some knowledge about nephilims/balthazar/mc, we dont know the source yet but it seems like a higher possibility that they all became aware of it together and therefore Oren was possibly able to predict Tarons intentions.

Oren didn't send the MC to the capital directly. He asked the MC to find and look out for Elize, going to the capital to find who killed his parents was his own initiative.

Yeah thats why i was saying he may just banked on his thirst for revenge, i dunno.

I think this is a reasonable interpretation... But there's so much sloppy writing in this game that I can believe this was the intent.
There is a common thread of Taron wanting the MC to become stronger, and I assumed this was to serve as Balthazar's vessel. With the idea being that no matter how strong the MC got, he wouldn't be a match for Balthazar when he got freed.



I do agree with this sentiment. Taron is mentoring the MC in a way. I'm just not convinced it's for altruistic reasons or as a way to fight Balthazar. Taron seems too self-serving and in pursuit of power to me.
It's still possible for him to try and turn the tables using this argument. The king ordered Taron to be caught alive. So it's likely he'll be in jail by the time the cult gains even more prominence. It wouldn't surprise me if he tries to manipulate the MC and propose a deal in return for information. This guy will do anything to survive.

My suspicion is that Taron - unlike the cultists - is very aware that balthazar wouldnt give a single fuck about any of them and that all of their lifes would be way worse. Hes not altruistic at all and hes evil but he would fuck up the whole world without getting any rewards for it

I doubt we will see taron begging like that, he was aware of balthazar from the very beginning and of the mc being a nephilim, he wouldnt have atagonized him that much if he intended to manipulate him later on imo and i doubt x2 that he ever thought he would be able to win over/kill the mc.

but we will see, its not like a lot of stuff matters anymore in this story apparently

 

[Quetzzz]

MC can't be Balthasars vessel, he is Nephilim like him, and like his father.
Taron is Power hungry, he wants Balthasars power, but he wants to keep his own mind.

I somehow dont think a nephilim can become a vessel for a nephilim, but thats maybe just my headcannon lol. Nobody in the cult seems rather concerned about the host or taron being the host is considered any problem either. Considering theres a good (oren?) and evil (taron?) path, it seems like both ways could lead to the same goal.

If that was said in-game, then I missed or forgot about it.
I thought that Bathazar is more ethereal, since he needs a vessel. A vessel is nothing but a body.
The idea about Oren representing the good path and Taron the evil path is interesting. It's just too bad that Oren doesn't have an active voice, and Elize goes along with everything we say. In that regard, Taron's influence doesn't have much pushback. It's not like a figurative angel and devil sitting on the MC's shoulders, just a devil.

When Oren sees Taron at the marketplace hes thinking something like "i thought i had more time" so it seems like he knew that taron was coming for the MC sooner or later.

Yeah, you're right; I forgot about that remark. But if Taren doesn't need the MC to become the vessel to Balthazar, then what does he need him for at the age of 10?

I doubt we will see taron begging like that, he was aware of balthazar from the very beginning and of the mc being a nephilim, he wouldnt have atagonized him that much if he intended to manipulate him later on imo and i doubt x2 that he ever thought he would be able to win over/kill the mc.

I meant it more as a last resort from Taron. He'd be in jail with his head going on the chopping block... A guy like Taron would try everything he could to survive another day, even by twisting his own motivations to make them sound like they were for the MC's own good.

 

[Noble_Undergrounder_of_Ea]

Yeah, you're right; I forgot about that remark. But if Taren doesn't need the MC to become the vessel to Balthazar, then what does he need him for at the age of 10?

Maybe brainwash him and possible MC was the 1st choice not Balthazar....
I mean 10 year old is probably easier to deal and manipulate than some ancient powerful being

 

[Quetzzz]

Maybe brainwash him and possible MC was the 1st choice not Balthazar....
I mean 10 year old is probably easier to deal and manipulate than some ancient powerful being

Yeah, that might work... But then I wonder how Oren knew about Taron and how Taron knew about the MC in the first place.
The family kept that secret, so we'd have to suspect a deity to have revealed the secret of the MC's existence..

 

[Krytax123]

Yeah, that might work... But then I wonder how Oren knew about Taron and how Taron knew about the MC in the first place.
The family kept that secret, so we'd have to suspect a deity to have revealed the secret of the MC's existence..

It has to be the MC's (angel/god) dad who revealed it to oren/taron and gave them a task, no? Or at least a deity instructed by him.

He has a thought like "this kid will be the only thing able to stop balthazar" so its possibile that he did set things for the further development in motion.

Fits with the fact that the angeldaddy had a change of mind at some point and pulled maia away from the MC.

 

[Noble_Undergrounder_of_Ea]

It has to be the MC's (angel/god) dad who revealed it to oren/taron and gave them a task, no? Or at least a deity instructed by him.

He has a thought like "this kid will be the only thing able to stop balthazar" so its possibile that he did set things for the further development in motion.

Fits with the fact that the angeldaddy had a change of mind at some point and pulled maia away from the MC.

Still want MC to finally fight Taron and say the Inigo Montoya line "My name is MC you killed my father prepare to die"

 

[Quetzzz]

It has to be the MC's (angel/god) dad who revealed it to oren/taron and gave them a task, no? Or at least a deity instructed by him.

It's possible someone in the pantheon is sympathetic with Balthazar. It stands to reason that all deities know about the impregnation.

He has a thought like "this kid will be the only thing able to stop balthazar" so its possibile that he did set things for the further development in motion.

I think this played a role why the MC was created... But Daddy Angel was very clear that the MC had to grow up pure of heart. I don't see how Taron would fit into that plan.

Fits with the fact that the angeldaddy had a change of mind at some point and pulled maia away from the MC.

That's a good point, actually. Breaking that bond had to have a reason.

 

[Danilo marques]

Does anyone know if I kill that dark-haired woman's sister, will I cancel her path or will I date her in the future even though I killed her sister?

 

[Juan96]

It can hardly even be called a remake to be honest. All he really did was add a few extra scenes in the prologue and add his aunt, the black smiths daughter and alice's mom as love interests. Then he just added in a "leadership" skill for some parts od the mid game. Aside from that the game is 90% the same as it was before.

I wish he had added more fight scenes, because as far as I remember this game has more sex than fight scenes, it's almost like the game Grandma's House, nothing against the amount of sex it currently has, but the game would be much better if it had more action, maybe the developer could add some more quests from the adventurers guild to balance this problem.

 

[storm1051787]

I wish he had added more fight scenes, because as far as I remember this game has more sex than fight scenes, it's almost like the game Grandma's House, nothing against the amount of sex it currently has, but the game would be much better if it had more action, maybe the developer could add some more quests from the adventurers guild to balance this problem.

Part of the problem with fights is that the mc is too over powered for it to be entertaining or it to matter anyway. That will probably be different once the other Nephilim is involved or if the mc ends up having to fight minor gods or demons but against humans it's all been pretty one sided except against Diana, who isn't even fully human. I'm not finished with the island arc though so maybe I'm wrong and an actual close fight happened there?

 

[Quetzzz]

Part of the problem with fights is that the mc is too over powered for it to be entertaining or it to matter anyway. That will probably be different once the other Nephilim is involved or if the mc ends up having to fight minor gods or demons but against humans it's all been pretty one sided except against Diana, who isn't even fully human. I'm not finished with the island arc though so maybe I'm wrong and an actual close fight happened there?

Don't forget about the other continents and the layers of hell. Ancient vampires would still pose an issue, I'm guessing. And I'm sure there was a reason to force in the exposition about the rulers of the hell dimensions as well.