VN Ren'Py Nephilim [v0.6.1] [BuuPlays]

[Dark479]

There is something that really annoys me with the Selena situation:

Why can't we punish her for what she did? I get the whole angle of becoming the monster and all that but the game only allowing us to taking it out on her sister is trash. Her sister did nothing wrong. If you want to be technical a purely 100% eye for an eye retaliation would be breaking the back of Selena's sister but I don't even want that...why can't we like break of of Selena's hands or something. Not even as sever as never being able to walk again. But even if the choice is purely to kill or not to kill and nothing else, why can't we punish the one actually responsible? Still dark as fuck but MC doesn't have to literally become as bad as Taron to still dish out some terrible retribution.

It makes the morality system cartoonishly black and white where you can only choose between hugging puppies levels of good or torching kittens moustache twirling levels of villainy. If you want the end game to lead the MC that far down the rabbit hole of evil that's also fine but it should be more of a slippery slope, not going from pure good to pure evil like flipping a light switch. At least for a very few of the more extreme evil choices there should be something like 2 or 3 levels of bad reactions unlocked based on the MC current karma. Only an MC that always chose the vengeance path without restraint should have the option to go all the way to those levels of depravity.

 

[Pixillin']

There is something that really annoys me with the Selena situation:

Why can't we punish her for what she did? I get the whole angle of becoming the monster and all that but the game only allowing us to taking it out on her sister is trash. Her sister did nothing wrong. If you want to be technical a purely 100% eye for an eye retaliation would be breaking the back of Selena's sister but I don't even want that...why can't we like break of of Selena's hands or something. Not even as sever as never being able to walk again. But even if the choice is purely to kill or not to kill and nothing else, why can't we punish the one actually responsible? Still dark as fuck but MC doesn't have to literally become as bad as Taron to still dish out some terrible retribution.

It makes the morality system cartoonishly black and white where you can only choose between hugging puppies levels of good or torching kittens moustache twirling levels of villainy. If you want the end game to lead the MC that far down the rabbit hole of evil that's also fine but it should be more of a slippery slope, not going from pure good to pure evil like flipping a light switch. At least for a very few of the more extreme evil choices there should be something like 2 or 3 levels of bad reactions unlocked based on the MC current karma. Only an MC that always chose the vengeance path without restraint should have the option to go all the way to those levels of depravity.

Yuuuup just wait. Later you're going to be betrayed again only this time harsh language isn't even an option. You become (at the very least) best buddies with your betrayer - and also, so far the good and evil choices do not change anything in the game. So ...

 

[UnoriginalUserName]

Yuuuup just wait. Later you're going to be betrayed again only this time harsh language isn't even an option. You become (at the very least) best buddies with your betrayer - and also, so far the good and evil choices do not change anything in the game. So ...

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Wait...are you talking about Pearl/Kira, the king or the prison dude who wolfs out?

 

[Pixillin']

Wait...are you talking about Pearl/Kira, the king or the prison dude who wolfs out?

Pearl/Kira

 

[Dark479]

Yuuuup just wait. Later you're going to be betrayed again only this time harsh language isn't even an option. You become (at the very least) best buddies with your betrayer - and also, so far the good and evil choices do not change anything in the game. So ...

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Welp...I can't say I'm overly excited about those options(or lack there-of), but I'm already playing this character as the most forgiving and understanding punching-bag in the the history of the universe so in-for-a-penny in-for-a-pound, might as well see how that plays out.

 

[Dark479]

Pearl/Kira

Oh I've seen that. Ok fine, that actually bothered me less, mostly because The cure wasn't just a pure positive, it did have a heavy cost associated with it, and because Pearl stealing the artifact wasn't anywhere near as bad as outright walking the MC and his loved ones into a death trap...misguided though it was she was trying to save Kira and the MC as best as she felt she could. Plus Pearl is a lot hotter than Selena so that always helps with forgiveness and all that.

 

[Pixillin']

Oh I've seen that. Ok fine, that actually bothered me less, mostly because The cure wasn't just a pure positive, it did have a heavy cost associated with it, and because Pearl stealing the artifact wasn't anywhere near as bad as outright walking the MC and his loved ones into a death trap...misguided though it was she was trying to save Kira and the MC as best as she felt she could. Plus Luna is a lot hotter than Selena so that always helps with forgiveness and all that.

We've already beat that horse to death many times, so I won't give it another kick here - I'll just say that I deeply dislike Pearl and Kira and wanted to kill them both myself.

Welp...I can't say I'm overly excited about those options(or lack there-of), but I'm already playing this character as the most forgiving and understanding punching-bag in the the history of the universe so in-for-a-penny in-for-a-pound, might as well see how that plays out.

If that's how you're playing it ... it seems to be cannon, you should be fine. Personally I'm only in it for Eliza and I'm waiting to be able to "give in to the powers of darkness" because I've decided against becoming "a symbol of hope" - but the opportunities for that have been few and far between.

 

[Dark479]

We've already beat that horse to death many times, so I won't give it another kick here - I'll just say that I deeply dislike Pearl and Kira and wanted to kill them both myself.



If that's how you're playing it ... it seems to be cannon, you should be fine. Personally I'm only in it for Eliza and I'm waiting to be able to "give in to the powers of darkness" because I've decided against becoming "a symbol of hope" - but the opportunities for that have been few and far between.

I can only really agree on one thing here, Eliza is the best, I would not have minded if she was the only LI. In terms of Pearl and Kira, overall I quite like Pearl and wish she had a bit more content, and while I don't outright hate Kira I was extremely annoyed at how much screen time she was hogging. Waaayyy too much, I would have preferred more time with Pearl and that other girl on the ship. I'd have probably liked the scene much more if I had to deal with Pearl hogging all the screen time and Kira only making a few short appearances to be honest.

 

[UnoriginalUserName]

Pearl/Kira

Ah, then yeah.

 

[MiltonPowers]

I can only really agree on one thing here, Eliza is the best, I would not have minded if she was the only LI. In terms of Pearl and Kira, overall I quite like Pearl and wish she had a bit more content, and while I don't outright hate Kira I was extremely annoyed at how much screen time she was hogging. Waaayyy too much, I would have preferred more time with Pearl and that other girl on the ship. I'd have probably liked the scene much more if I had to deal with Pearl hogging all the screen time and Kira only making a few short appearances to be honest.

It's coming. After the attack on pirate cove, you get a whole lot of interaction and content with Pearl (and Kira is not around).

 

[Dark479]

Ok so I got to the crazy island and after a threesome in a tent with two maidens the game is asking me if I want to follow Maze path or neutral path...but selecting Maze just seems to exclude the other maiden from future interactions soo...why would I do that? Is there a specific reason or benefit to selecting Maze over neutral here?

 

[MiltonPowers]

Ok so I got to the crazy island and after a threesome in a tent with two maidens the game is asking me if I want to follow Maze path or neutral path...but selecting Maze just seems to exclude the other maiden from future interactions soo...why would I do that? Is there a specific reason or benefit to selecting Maze over neutral here?

Nothing so far. (There is a chance later to get on 'Maiden' path as well as Maze path, but we have never seen Maze or the other one since.)

 

[Dark479]

Ok soo I reached the end of 5.4 but I'm confused...why is Edvard trying to attack the camp to take Kelly when Kelly isn't even there at all? WTF? Is he dumb or what? Only Pearl and the MC came to the island. Kelly is still somewhere in pirate's bay or on the bloody banshee presumably...she wasn't captured by Diana so she's not with Kira.

I mean Kelly had no business being with the ambassador either so that's out of the question...why did this dude come to this island at all?

 

[billybob2010]

Ok soo I reached the end of 5.4 but I'm confused...why is Edvard trying to attack the camp to take Kelly when Kelly isn't even there at all? WTF? Is he dumb or what? Only Pearl and the MC came to the island. Kelly is still somewhere in pirate's bay or on the bloody banshee presumably...she wasn't captured by Diana so she's not with Kira.

I mean Kelly had no business being with the ambassador either so that's out of the question...why did this dude come to this island at all?

yeah, confused me also, if she is there no idea how she teleported then.

 

[Krytax123]

The cave sequence with Kira is honestly getting exhausting...I thought I'd romance her too because why not but holy shit she is NOT that interesting. It just keeps going on and on and on. It stopped being fun a long time ago.

If its helps: Its (even more) annoying if you decide not to romance her as you have to keep declining her avances again and again and again and ...

 

[Krytax123]

There is something that really annoys me with the Selena situation:

Why can't we punish her for what she did? I get the whole angle of becoming the monster and all that but the game only allowing us to taking it out on her sister is trash. Her sister did nothing wrong. If you want to be technical a purely 100% eye for an eye retaliation would be breaking the back of Selena's sister but I don't even want that...why can't we like break of of Selena's hands or something. Not even as sever as never being able to walk again. But even if the choice is purely to kill or not to kill and nothing else, why can't we punish the one actually responsible? Still dark as fuck but MC doesn't have to literally become as bad as Taron to still dish out some terrible retribution.

It makes the morality system cartoonishly black and white where you can only choose between hugging puppies levels of good or torching kittens moustache twirling levels of villainy. If you want the end game to lead the MC that far down the rabbit hole of evil that's also fine but it should be more of a slippery slope, not going from pure good to pure evil like flipping a light switch. At least for a very few of the more extreme evil choices there should be something like 2 or 3 levels of bad reactions unlocked based on the MC current karma. Only an MC that always chose the vengeance path without restraint should have the option to go all the way to those levels of depravity.

Bro this topic is beaten to death for a long time already, be glad we got what we have now. It was (even more) worse in the original version where it was literally a decision between "okay no problem, lets hang out soon" or "break sisters neck". At least the dialogue on the "forviging" path is way more firm and unforgiving now ...

... but yeah its still a stupid situation and i think buu concluded that too and therefore scrapped the whole selene thing. He obviously had a different idea about her development in the beginning, i suspect it would have required a lot of branching and and he decided at some point to go forward with less branching.

Thats why a solo LI path feels so stupid in this avn too. Eliza is my fav but i tried to play a path without her lately for the lols and the whole avn just feels utterly stupid. The eliza romance should be mandatory as it doesnt make a lot of sense otherwise.

To be honest, at this point this avn could be a kinetic novel. Your decisions dont matter, neither the decisions about the girls nor the decisions about evil/good path (when was this used the last time anyway?).

Imo buu changed his vision of the whole avn at some point, focussing on producing content quite fast and regular instead of going into the details and variations of the story which isnt bad per se but feels off when you take certain decisions.

Ok soo I reached the end of 5.4 but I'm confused...why is Edvard trying to attack the camp to take Kelly when Kelly isn't even there at all? WTF? Is he dumb or what? Only Pearl and the MC came to the island. Kelly is still somewhere in pirate's bay or on the bloody banshee presumably...she wasn't captured by Diana so she's not with Kira.

I mean Kelly had no business being with the ambassador either so that's out of the question...why did this dude come to this island at all?

Yeah hes apparently (very) stupid and just assumes that kelly is with the MC. In the end hes only there to give the mc a win against a (pathetic) enemy to convince even the last few doubting women in the tribe that hes the god blessed dick.

Im so fucking over all these mindless bimbo dolls throwing themself at the MC for barely any reason at all lol, i like the story but somehow the dev manages to torture (!) me with a endless stream of boring fuck interests who are so cringe and chumming up to the mc in way which want to make me puke.

I really like the story and subbed a lot of times for nephilim, but it feels like worse kind of filler than the dragonball filler episodes and i would never thought i would feel this negatively about lewds but they are so FUCKING BORING.

I even really like the design of some like Vex for example but whenever she speaks i feel like i did read the same stuff from at least 5 other LI's in the same avn already. Shes just a Kira light and already destined for the same outcome.

I just want a bit more focus on the story the balance is just so off. Usually lewds are a exciting switch between a story, a time to cool down, but here its lewds after lewds while im bored and waiting for the story to continue.

Im gonna snap if i hear these island barbarian bitches talk about the mc's "spear" one more time

 

[MiltonPowers]

If its helps: Its (even more) annoying if you decide not to romance her as you have to keep declining her avances again and again and again and ...

Decline Kira.
"Wow Kira is hot"

Decline Kira.
"Kira's boobs are awesome"

Decline Kira.
"I can't wait to cuddle with Kira's sexy body"

Decline Kira.
"Kira is so amazing"

Repeat, repeat, repeat.

Decline Kira Permanently.

"Should I go visit and Kira in the middle of the night?"
"No"
"But I will anyway"
"Kira's boobs are just perfect"

 

[Grumpy Old Aussie]

Decline Kira.
"Wow Kira is hot"

Decline Kira.
"Kira's boobs are awesome"

Decline Kira.
"I can't wait to cuddle with Kira's sexy body"

Decline Kira.
"Kira is so amazing"

Repeat, repeat, repeat.

Decline Kira Permanently.

"Should I go visit and Kira in the middle of the night?"
"No"
"But I will anyway"
"Kira's boobs are just perfect"

There just isn't enough Kira. I need to hear her whine some more.

 

[Dessolos]

There just isn't enough Kira. I need to hear her whine some more.

Tie her up and give her to Taron so he has to deal with her

 

[Dark479]

Bro this topic is beaten to death for a long time already, be glad we got what we have now. It was (even more) worse in the original version where it was literally a decision between "okay no problem, lets hang out soon" or "break sisters neck". At least the dialogue on the "forviging" path is way more firm and unforgiving now ...

... but yeah its still a stupid situation and i think buu concluded that too and therefore scrapped the whole selene thing. He obviously had a different idea about her development in the beginning, i suspect it would have required a lot of branching and and he decided at some point to go forward with less branching.

Thats why a solo LI path feels so stupid in this avn too. Eliza is my fav but i tried to play a path without her lately for the lols and the whole avn just feels utterly stupid. The eliza romance should be mandatory as it doesnt make a lot of sense otherwise.

To be honest, at this point this avn could be a kinetic novel. Your decisions dont matter, neither the decisions about the girls nor the decisions about evil/good path (when was this used the last time anyway?).

Imo buu changed his vision of the whole avn at some point, focussing on producing content quite fast and regular instead of going into the details and variations of the story which isnt bad per se but feels off when you take certain decisions.




Yeah hes apparently (very) stupid and just assumes that kelly is with the MC. In the end hes only there to give the mc a win against a (pathetic) enemy to convince even the last few doubting women in the tribe that hes the god blessed dick.

Im so fucking over all these mindless bimbo dolls throwing themself at the MC for barely any reason at all lol, i like the story but somehow the dev manages to torture (!) me with a endless stream of boring fuck interests who are so cringe and chumming up to the mc in way which want to make me puke.

I really like the story and subbed a lot of times for nephilim, but it feels like worse kind of filler than the dragonball filler episodes and i would never thought i would feel this negatively about lewds but they are so FUCKING BORING.

I even really like the design of some like Vex for example but whenever she speaks i feel like i did read the same stuff from at least 5 other LI's in the same avn already. Shes just a Kira light and already destined for the same outcome.

I just want a bit more focus on the story the balance is just so off. Usually lewds are a exciting switch between a story, a time to cool down, but here its lewds after lewds while im bored and waiting for the story to continue.

Im gonna snap if i hear these island barbarian bitches talk about the mc's "spear" one more time

To be honest I don't mind the whole all women throwing themselves at the MC. From a lore perspective it's clear that they are being affected by something external to instinctively trust and crave the MC...whether he has some godly pheromones or whatever it's clear they are not acting as they normally would.

In terms of choices, even if this becomes linear with almost no meaningful choices I just wish a few things would be handled better imo.

Nonetheless with all that said overall I still really love the game and I hugely appreciate the fast development time where we don't have to wait forever for updates. I have seen games with slow and much smaller updates end up much worse than this has been so far. All in all Nephilim is still one of the most enjoyable VNs I played.