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Princess Groundhog

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Yes, even when humiliation is present, and yes, even if some things are kept hidden, as long as the other person consents to things being hidden because it makes things exciting.
Agreed. As long as the mc and the gf discuss these things openly and honestly (this is where the wholesomeness comes in), and the choices are clear, this shouldn't be a prblem.
 
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Turret

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I know that people have different views on NTR/NTS and that, for some, we've already moved past the NTS limit, but I disagree, as I feel that, as long as there's consent from both part, we're still in the NTS side of the barrier. Yes, even when humiliation is present, and yes, even if some things are kept hidden, as long as the other person consents to things being hidden because it makes things exciting.
Hi LeStag!
That is the point, if both(!) agreed to it, then it is not a problem. But there were posts asking for cheating and secrecy stuff without consent by the MC. That is definitely across the line.
Besides, I hope some of the dialog we currently get on the Stag route pops up due to a bug, since e.g. "Nathan is better than you ever will be" or "don´t masturbate until I´m home cucky" would become a MAJOR problem for her! If Laura meant this ... she would be in for a Talk she would not like one bit. No Stag would let get her away with this kind of talk.
That is okay for the sub/cuck path, but it has nothing to search on the Stag path , esp. if we already made clear to her that such talk makes more trouble than a cocked machinegun at your navel.
 
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Hi LeStag!
That is the point, if both(!) agreed to it, then it is not a problem. But there were posts asking for cheating and secrecy stuff without consent by the MC. That is definitely across the line.
Besides, I hope some of the dialog we currently get on the Stag route pops up due to a bug, since e.g. "Nathan is better than you ever will be" or "don´t masturbate until I´m home cucky" would become a MAJOR problem for her! If Laura meant this ... she would be in for a Talk she would not like one bit. No Stag would let get her away with this kind of talk.
That is okay for the sub/cuck path, but it has nothing to search on the Sra path , esp. if we already made clear to her that such talk makes more trouble than a cocked machinegun at your navel.
Yeah this what I was experiencing as well. I’m currently trying to get back to that point where Laura and Nathan have sex for the first time cause when I first got there, she was saying that to me and it immediately threw me off guard and I restarted the story.
 
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Silwith

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That's the main point, IMO, and as the author, I can absolutely guarantee you that, if the story ever becomes NTR, it will be optional, and based on explicit choices from the player.

I know that people have different views on NTR/NTS and that, for some, we've already moved past the NTS limit, but I disagree, as I feel that, as long as there's consent from both part, we're still in the NTS side of the barrier. Yes, even when humiliation is present, and yes, even if some things are kept hidden, as long as the other person consents to things being hidden because it makes things exciting.
That is really the main point, if I as the MC am okay with her doing it with whomever she wants without her telling me before, then it is NTS, even if she does fuck someone I don't know about, because I made clear I am okay with it and like it... same with humiliation, if I get off to humiliation and therefore WANT to be humiliated, then there is no negative in the action... the same actions can come from completly different positions, its simply dependend on what the involved persons want and like :D
 

Eidolic

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That is really the main point, if I as the MC am okay with her doing it with whomever she wants without her telling me before, then it is NTS, even if she does fuck someone I don't know about, because I made clear I am okay with it and like it... same with humiliation, if I get off to humiliation and therefore WANT to be humiliated, then there is no negative in the action... the same actions can come from completly different positions, its simply dependend on what the involved persons want and like :D
Pretty much. Any danger that isn't just "I'm going to cheat because I want to cheat" comes from a lack of communication and making assumptions. "He wants me to flirt with other men, so it must be okay for me to kiss them too", that kind of thing. If everything is agreed upon beforehand then there's no issue.

From a player perspective you'd also want the option to actually say no to things in a meaningful way, but, I mean, this is an NTS game. If you give the player options to refuse the NTS altogether, then what's the point?
 
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Silwith

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From a player perspective you'd also want the option to actually say no to things in a meaningful way, but, I mean, this is an NTS game. If you give the player options to refuse the NTS altogether, then what's the point?
Yeah, the player playing this game already implies (rightfully) the "Yes" to NTS in general and so far there is quite a bit of player agency in how it plays out. For example, if you make clear beforehand that she should do it without a condom with him, then she just will when the time comes, but if you don't do it, she will talk to you before and you get to make the choice if you want to do it first. Just as afterwards, the choice to not use a condom and let the raw sex be exclusive to her bull is made together, not from her side, even if she is dominant.

Of course you could argue that maybe some players want her to keep using condoms with the bull, but there has to be a compromise, because if the dev would want to add every variable, then in a few months they would need to make 20 different conversations and 6 different pictures for one scene and thats not realistic if you want a steady supply of content :D
 
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Eidolic

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Of course you could argue that maybe some players want her to keep using condoms with the bull, but there has to be a compromise, because if the dev would want to add every variable, then in a few months they would need to make 20 different conversations and 6 different pictures for one scene and thats not realistic if you want a steady supply of content :D
The eternal struggle of making a game with choices. Either you have exclusive, choice-dependent content, or you just have a kinetic novel. In that regard, the dom/sub idea is a good one. Only two different paths, maybe three if there's a neutral path. Would really streamline development into something manageable. Maybe that's why so many games do a point-based system like that.

Although I will say that the game being AI really helps with the "17 images with minor variations" part. Like, a lot. If, for example, the player were given the option to not let Nathan ever go raw, changing the existing raw pictures to add condoms would be maybe ten minutes of work, if that. The writing of the scene not so much, but it is a lot of workload that just isn't there because of the medium.
 
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Steve Carter

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This game is fantastic so far. Just a few minor issues kinda bug me.

The gf keeps talking about establishing rules, but has so far not had that talk with the MC. I feel that this talk should have happened before things progressed to where they are now.

Even after picking no to the question "would you want to fuck me after", she still acts as if you said yes and want to "reclaim" her after being with her lover.

If you pick the dialogue choice to make the MC still have to wear a condom while your gf's lover doesn't have to, you still get a dialogue where she says that she is coming home and tells you that you are going to fuck her raw.
 
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Steve Carter

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Except if you have absolutely not artistic skills, like me.
Can I ask what program you are using to make the AI porn? I'm sure someone could figure out the command inputs to put condoms on an existing picture for that particular program. If not, you could also probably spend a little bit of time to learn some basic photoshop techniques and do some post-work on the pictures to add the condoms. There are lots of photoshop tutorials on youtube.
 

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Except if you have absolutely not artistic skills, like me.
Fair enough, fifteen minutes apiece:Kappa:

The gf keeps talking about establishing rules, but has so far not had that talk with the MC. I feel that this talk should have happened before things progressed to where they are now.

Even after picking no to the question "would you want to fuck me after", she still acts as if you said yes and want to "reclaim" her after being with her lover.

If you pick the dialogue choice to make the MC still have to wear a condom while your gf's lover doesn't have to, you still get a dialogue where she says that she is coming home and tells you that you are going to fuck her raw.
There are a few missing flags, yes. Supposedly this will all be fixed with 0.8, if I understand the roadmap correctly.
 
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Can I ask what program you are using to make the AI porn? I'm sure someone could figure out the command inputs to put condoms on an existing picture for that particular program. If not, you could also probably spend a little bit of time to learn some basic photoshop techniques and do some post-work on the pictures to add the condoms. There are lots of photoshop tutorials on youtube.
This game is fantastic so far. Just a few minor issues kinda bug me.

The gf keeps talking about establishing rules, but has so far not had that talk with the MC. I feel that this talk should have happened before things progressed to where they are now.

If you pick the dialogue choice to make the MC still have to wear a condom while your gf's lover doesn't have to, you still get a dialogue where she says that she is coming home and tells you that you are going to fuck her raw.
Dev mentioned that a lot of game system related stuff like tendency route, relationships are w.i.p. and will get corrected in v0.8.
He also said already that he is using CivitAi to create these amazing images and seeing his work so far you could say he knows how to create images with and without condoms in it.
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