Ulith

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It's really my fault. When I was trying to give my opinion on Tohka's personality in Dev's story but Dev gave his opinion based on the original and I missed this quote from the u. This argument is about me thinking that Tohka didn't love MC but just needed someone to rely on so this not count NTR and Dev thinking that Tohka really loved Shido and was robbed by MC. That caused confusion and this controversy. So this is definitely NTR and not because Tohka needs someone to lean on like I said above. The whole argument all this time was just because I missed one line. Really sorry Dev :cry::cry:
Besides, I never said that Tohka loves Shido, and I don't think she loves Shido at this point. Her feelings for Shido in the early stages of the story are indeed hard to call love, so why would she say that?
Because:
tk"I... I don't know what kind of feeling it is... but when I'm with him, I always feel... my heart racing..."
tk"I want to spend more time with him... I want to go on a date with him..."
mc"That's what "liking" someone is...."

It's because the MC told her so that she thinks it's "liking,".

I'm sorry, I noticed I did use the word "love" earlier, that was a translation error.
 
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saiko422

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Thank you, bro. Since you put it that way, let me explain a few more things to you.

First of all, I have been trying my best to restore the character images from the original work, so what I want to express should be consistent with my understanding of the original work. However, for the sake of plot development, a small amount of OOC is inevitable.

In the original work, Tohka is a very naive, emotional girl who knows nothing about common sense. As you said, she has no social experience. Therefore, the MC took advantage of this to some extent, giving her incomplete and not entirely correct knowledge. At the same time, because of Tohka's emotional and naive nature, she has shown doubt and distrust towards Shido several times in the original work due to a few words from others, and has been deceived, but this will not shake her sincerity.

Now you know? You basically saw a Tohka image from my story that is pretty much the same as in the original novel, even though I did very little characterization of her and skipped a lot of things.

I hope you can also understand my feelings as a creator. I really like this work and these characters, including Shido. I have always recognized that he truly deserves the girls' love. Even if some of what you say is correct, it hurts me to see you disparage the characters due to a lack of understanding.
To me, love is a great thing built on trust and loyalty. Therefore, cheaters are just trash because they prioritize their own interests and accept hurting the other person (except when they are treated badly by their partner). So when you describe Tohka as a girl who loves Shido very much, it seems impossible to me for her to betray him, so I gave the reasons that Tohka in your story is different from Tohka in the original. As you said, Tohka in the original was easily fooled by just a few words from others but was still sincere with Shido so I think no matter how stupid she was, she wouldn't have chosen to betray the MC like that. . I just believe in love so much that's why I don't recognize this as the same Tohka
 
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Ulith

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To me, love is a great thing built on trust and loyalty, so cheaters are just trash because they prioritize their own interests and accept hurting the other person (except in the case of they are treated poorly by their partners). So when you describe Tohka as a girl who loves Shido very much, it seems impossible to me for her to betray him, so I gave the reasons that Tohka in your story is different from Tohka in the original. Even as you said, Tohka in the original was easily fooled by just a few words from others, but to me, no matter how stupid she was, she wouldn't have chosen to betray the MC like that. I just believe in love so much that I split it into 2 different Tohka
See my second reply where I explain that Tohka is not in love with Shido at this point.
Also, Tohka doesn't have the sense that she betrayed Shido.

Stop it, man. I don't want to explain anymore. It's really exhausting.
 
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saiko422

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See my second reply where I explain that Tohka is not in love with Shido at this point.
Also, Tohka doesn't have the sense that she betrayed Shido.

Stop it, man. I don't want to explain anymore. It's really exhausting.
Ok! Just good luck on ur game and really hope for more H-scenes. Your 3d models and animations are really cool.
 
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This game is very promising. I hope our protagonist would be more evil, cunning and would use more secretive methods to steal all shido's girls. To be honest, since mana is not being introduced yet, i really into her. I hope you will write a good story of her.

She's a strong willed, it's kinda sad if she falls from grace in easy manners. I hope our protagonist would break her and the rest of girls slowly~. Introduction of blackmail, drugs, sleep sex would be amazing too.

Thank you for an interesting game. It's nice to able plays as a bad guy :) Best of luck towards the creator.
 
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Ulith

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This game is very promising. I hope our protagonist would be more evil, cunning and would use more secretive methods to steal all shido's girls. To be honest, since mana is not being introduced yet, i really into her. I hope you will write a good story of her.

She's a strong willed, it's kinda sad if she falls from grace in easy manners. I hope our protagonist would break her and the rest of girls slowly~. Introduction of blackmail, drugs, sleep sex would be amazing too.

Thank you for an interesting game. It's nice to able plays as a bad guy :) Best of luck towards the creator.
Thanks for the rating.
Because of my personal interests, MCs don't use too "evil" tactics. Even though it deviates from the main idea of NTR.
Mana will come together in Kurumi chapter.
 
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Thanks for the rating.
Because of my personal interests, MCs don't use too "evil" tactics. Even though it deviates from the main idea of NTR.
Mana will come together in Kurumi chapter.
Kurumi huh? Can't wait to break and tame her
 
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mdp2p

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Thanks for the rating.
Because of my personal interests, MCs don't use too "evil" tactics. Even though it deviates from the main idea of NTR.
Mana will come together in Kurumi chapter.
Nice! I hope you will not rushing on the story. Anyways, thank you again! Do your best! We will wait here patiently.
 
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This game is very promising. I hope our protagonist would be more evil, cunning and would use more secretive methods to steal all shido's girls. To be honest, since mana is not being introduced yet, i really into her. I hope you will write a good story of her.

She's a strong willed, it's kinda sad if she falls from grace in easy manners. I hope our protagonist would break her and the rest of girls slowly~. Introduction of blackmail, drugs, sleep sex would be amazing too.

Thank you for an interesting game. It's nice to able plays as a bad guy :) Best of luck towards the creator.
not sure if i understood the dev's intent by the little content there is for now, but i think the mc isn't actualy a bad guy, if you think about the end result we can hope for, mc save the girls (for himself), resulting in (original protag being cucked and) the world being saved ... aslo as players we aslo get to play as the character that give a life lesson to the self righteous wet blanket that got us shouting at our screen during our teenage days while not inserting in a complete scumbag :D (when i want to play as a scumbag i play a black lilith game ^^)
 
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See my second reply where I explain that Tohka is not in love with Shido at this point.
Also, Tohka doesn't have the sense that she betrayed Shido.

Stop it, man. I don't want to explain anymore. It's really exhausting.
I dont know why you have to explain so much to him. The story is actually quite believable to me with how guillible Tohka is AND the fact that our MC is (mentioned as) a top-tier manipulator. He sowed the seed of doubt pretty well. Good job with the Tohka story line although it was a tiny-teezy rushed in my opinion (personal preference, nothing serious). At Tohka first night the MC should stop at fingering -> the morning after Shido talk to her about "that's not how we become family" -> Tohka is conflicted (because the MC told her otherwise) -> She choose the MC in the night after. From a perspective of the player that how I would plan it out because it's honestly more exciting from the waitng and the sheer anticipation of manipulating (again, just an advice). But hey I get where your decision came from and I'm pretty much in love with the whole sex scene as well as the dialog with Shido when having sex. Simply amazing work you've done here.
 

malaac2025

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OK I fell asleep during your game.. no damn sound at all! Who wants to play any game with not even background music.

No music
No Sounds

Game boring as shit because your reading to nothing.. no audio at all. I could not get into the game because I just want to fall asleep with no audio. ALL games have to have at least background music.. than different music for scenes. Animation looks good but it's BORING with no audio.

Hopefully you correct this major mistake for any game.. I'll see how your next release is but as of now I deleted it I could not get myself to continue a soundless game.
 

Ulith

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I dont know why you have to explain so much to him. The story is actually quite believable to me with how guillible Tohka is AND the fact that our MC is (mentioned as) a top-tier manipulator. He sowed the seed of doubt pretty well. Good job with the Tohka story line although it was a tiny-teezy rushed in my opinion (personal preference, nothing serious). At Tohka first night the MC should stop at fingering -> the morning after Shido talk to her about "that's not how we become family" -> Tohka is conflicted (because the MC told her otherwise) -> She choose the MC in the night after. From a perspective of the player that how I would plan it out because it's honestly more exciting from the waitng and the sheer anticipation of manipulating (again, just an advice). But hey I get where your decision came from and I'm pretty much in love with the whole sex scene as well as the dialog with Shido when having sex. Simply amazing work you've done here.
Communication allows me to reflect on myself and think about things from more perspectives.
If it's a purely offensive response, then I simply won't pay attention to it, such as the one above, it doesn't make any sense.
 

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See my second reply where I explain that Tohka is not in love with Shido at this point.
Also, Tohka doesn't have the sense that she betrayed Shido.

Stop it, man. I don't want to explain anymore. It's really exhausting.
i have not played yet but i agree that she's not cheating if she doesn't love Shido it makes sense. i for one value love over much else so i hop the mc of this game isnt just there to take the girls fuck them and that's it i hop there's romance!
 
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