Netori vs Netorare & Netorase

[suprisedcrankyface]

I get it, but I tried to be more or less civil, but the more it seemed they didn't understand what I meant, the more rude and direct I get. After all, I did give them multiple Definitions proving their point wrong.

So you are a fan of the 'American tourist abroad' approach I see.

 

[Wankstaindeluxe]

No you didn't.

From Vndb
"Netorare is more than a simple act of infidelity, but the fetishization of jealousy and other negative feelings commonly associated with it."

From japanese wikipedia and translated by deepl
"Netorare (寝取られ) is, according to the dictionary definition, a noun derived from the passive form of the verb “netoru” (寝取る). As a sexual term, it basically refers to a genre of fiction and other creative works aimed at people who feel sexual arousal when their loved ones have sexual relations with others."

And the genres
"NTR Genre
Within the NTR genre of creative works, there are also subgenres such as “NTR-sase” and “NTR-tori” [19][20].

Netorare
This genre refers to works in which the protagonist experiences significant mental shock and humiliation after their lover or wife is taken by another man.
Netorase
This genre refers to works where a man intentionally allows his lover or wife to be taken by another man, deriving mental sexual pleasure or sadistic satisfaction from the act.
Netori
This genre refers to works depicted from the perspective of the person who takes the lover or wife of an acquaintance or friend."

What do you call those then?

 

[tanstaafl]

What do you call those then?

Redundant.

 

[Wankstaindeluxe]

Redundant.

But you said I hadn't given them a definition.
In fact, I SO gave them one, you claim I was repeating myself.

 

[LionInDarkness]

While im not a fan of the genre as a whole, i will admit that i enjoy playing netori because if im playing a game then i only care about me or rather the character im playing to be the one stealing anything. I don't relate to most protags in vns because im not a white guy so then the best way i can enjoy a story is when i force myself into the mc's shoes so if he's a douche, its hard to enjoy. So even though i can enjoy netori, the mc has to be somewhat decently written and not a total prick.

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Regular ntr aka some asshole destroying a happy relationship doe's nothing but piss me off especially because when it comes to comics, there have been some nice stories where it comes out of nowhere to destroy it like a truck busting through a brick wall.

Overall you can say i like wholesome-esc ntr as a whole.

 

[Silken on Demand]

Netori / Netorare = SAME
Netorase is just Netorare written ass backward.

 

[Jaike]

I feel like I've not done good or explained clearly, so I will just bow out and know that you are right and I am wrong. I apologize to everyone who tried to engage me and got frustrated. I will do better in the next NTR thread I promise!

No problem, tho I was hoping to communicate rather than being right. Anyway I just realised what you described in this post is closer to netorase or sharing. Maybe this example of power fantasy netorase captures what you're looking for? Ironically the MC's wife can be shared while the MC can cheat behind her back, this kind of onesidedness is typical in adult games.

The good news is you can be certain there'll be a new NTR topic, though I can't say if it'll be suitable for discussions.

Funnily enough, I don't even like NTR. It comes into direct conflict with my primary fetish, femdom, since NTR usually ends up being extreme Maledom.

Bdsm and femdom are my main kinks too. And you're right femdom and netorare usually don't combine "well" (for a femdom perspective) in practice, that actually goes back all the way to Venus im Pelz (Venus in Furs) and its anticlimactic maledom end. Well unless it's "lesbian" NTR or futa NTR I guess.

 

[Wankstaindeluxe]

Bdsm and femdom are my main kinks too. And you're right femdom and netorare usually don't combine "well" (for a femdom perspective)

Yeah.
Thankfully, I will say it's actually not that common.
I'd say 70% of it has no cuckolding elements. And that's just on the western side. On the eastern side, it's legit 95% no cuckolding.

in practice, that actually goes back all the way to Venus im Pelz (Venus in Furs) and its anticlimactic maledom end. Well unless it's "lesbian" NTR or futa NTR I guess.

That is a really fucking old reference. Goddamn. (I've legit never heard of this book.)

And as for the ending...