Others Netoria Tactics 2 [Demo] [Apollo Seven]

[JoeSte91]

The setting in Netoria 1 wasn't really planned like most of the narrative elements. Netoria 2 went through much more pre-production.


In Act 1, there are three outcomes that can happen. Zaman and Shah stick together, Zaman gets together with Vashti and Shah with Azar, or Zaman and Shah break up with no further coupling. Both Zaman and Shah staying together and being NTRd have the same amount of content.

The portrayl of those events is heavily flavored by what POV you're on. Azar won't be able to see Zaman+Shah scenes directly for example. And the end of Act 1 has a bunch of POV exclusive scenes setting up the story for Act 2.


The above passage should answer some of this, like how in Act 1 all POVs are playing around the same events from different perspectives.

In Act 2 things branch off way more, with the setup done the game becomes about the POV characters really getting into their personal journey and their battle with their POV villain. The way I think you should look at it is essentially the POV system is letting the various routes of the game be much more different than they could have been in Netoria 1. Because they never have to interact what happens on Zaman POV can be drastically different than what happens on Shah POV.

For example, Zaman is a TF focused character. He's a woman for all of Act 2. So all the storylines on his POV in that act revolve around his transformation. But if you play Shah POV, none of that happens and instead it's all about Shah's journey to become a more assertive and confident person, or her failure to. So whichever POV content you find interesting, the whole POV is going to be about that content. There's not really sprinkles of various fetishes or anything. Zaman is all about MtF TF, Shah is all about sharing content (and femboy stuff if you want, it's mostly asthetic), Azar is all about netori, and Vashti is a little more complecated but she's mostly about domination/being dominated.

I'm enjoying what I'm seeing so far. I played Netoria Tactics 1 and it was a great game with some obvious issues which Netoria Tactics 2 seems to be improving on. The story already feels more thought out and stable, and the character dynamics are different enough from the first game to be interesting, since the motivations is less 'let's do this because otherwise we die in this dungeon' to 'there's an actual reward at the end if we can all pull this off'. Combat seems more in-depth too. With more consistent art, overall it's looking like a great step forward. So I just want to say right off that I appreciate the work that has gone into it so far.

Concerning Zaman in act 2, I do think there should be a choice between traditional NTR focus and TF focus. By shifting completely to TF focus for Zaman, I think it's under cutting some of the NTR perspective for that POV. Maybe I just need to see it executed, and I'm the type of person that would play both paths to see all the content whether it's for me or not, but if the choice of POV is intended to correspond to a choice between netorare, netorase, netori, then focusing on the TF development for Zaman is likely to water down the netorare, whereas it seems like the netorase and netori are unaffected by their act 2 personal character developments. It really depends on who the intended audience is for this game. I know there was a strong fan base in Netoria Tactics 1 for FemCarwyn, but as I said, it was a choice for the players of how deep they wanted to go into TF or NTR.

 

[Cajun Fox]

Thanks for the share

 

[Cryomaniac]

Should probably add female protagonist tag to this as well. Game has the option to select POV character and 2 out of the 4 options start as female.

 

[Surav]

I don't think it was a good ideia to make TSF forced on what should have been the main NTR POV.
I'll just skip this game.

 

[Alaria53]

Since this is my game I should probably put up some info about it.

Holy shit first game is one of my favorite adult games. I'm hyped for this one.

 

[SomeGuyNamedKi]

 

[Apollo Seven]

So there is no NTR-path (=cuck-path, mc's girls are fucked and dominated by someone else) in this game?

There's several NTR paths. Keep in mind this is a game structured around acts, act 1 as I've been mostly talking about is rising action, set up. All the really gut wrenching stuff doesn't happen until later on. For example, on Azar POV act 1 ends up with him embracing his netori role of fucking all the women in the party, but he can fail and lose that power ending up a cuck.

Apollo Seven
I'm a little confused because it seems like the character I choose as the main character will actually be sabotaged.
If I choose a man, he will become a woman, if I choose a woman, she will grow a penis...

Will the transformation change the type of people with whom it will be possible to establish a relationship?
For example, will Vashti futa route just change most of her scenes to gay scenes, or will she get the opportunity to have relationships with other women?

All the characters have TF elements, but Zaman is the only character whose story is based around it. With Shah, Azar, and Vashti, you cna just never engage with that mechanic ever again after level 5 if you don't like it. Also, wouldn't Vashti scenes with other women by the gay scenes?

I'm enjoying what I'm seeing so far. I played Netoria Tactics 1 and it was a great game with some obvious issues which Netoria Tactics 2 seems to be improving on. The story already feels more thought out and stable, and the character dynamics are different enough from the first game to be interesting, since the motivations is less 'let's do this because otherwise we die in this dungeon' to 'there's an actual reward at the end if we can all pull this off'. Combat seems more in-depth too. With more consistent art, overall it's looking like a great step forward. So I just want to say right off that I appreciate the work that has gone into it so far.

Concerning Zaman in act 2, I do think there should be a choice between traditional NTR focus and TF focus. By shifting completely to TF focus for Zaman, I think it's under cutting some of the NTR perspective for that POV. Maybe I just need to see it executed, and I'm the type of person that would play both paths to see all the content whether it's for me or not, but if the choice of POV is intended to correspond to a choice between netorare, netorase, netori, then focusing on the TF development for Zaman is likely to water down the netorare, whereas it seems like the netorase and netori are unaffected by their act 2 personal character developments. It really depends on who the intended audience is for this game. I know there was a strong fan base in Netoria Tactics 1 for FemCarwyn, but as I said, it was a choice for the players of how deep they wanted to go into TF or NTR.

While Zaman starts in the most classic netorare position, I didn't want to make his story all about that because it's really a non-story. There's not really much room for much of an interesting story there and personal stories are a lot more important in this game. You'll see when you play the game, but the MtF TF is the core of Zaman's story there really isn't a way for it to just not happen and still make sense.

I don't think it was a good ideia to make TSF forced on what should have been the main NTR POV.
I'll just skip this game.

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I don't really have a comment here, but these are pretty funny comments back to back.

 

[Edvin]

All the characters have TF elements, but Zaman is the only character whose story is based around it. With Shah, Azar, and Vashti, you cna just never engage with that mechanic ever again after level 5 if you don't like it. Also, wouldn't Vashti scenes with other women by the gay scenes?

This is actually a subject of much debate.

If you give a woman a penis (a fully functional penis with fully functional testicles capable of reproduction), is it a woman with a male penis, or a man with female breasts? It's a very gendered discussion that I don't want to get into here, but my personal opinion is: "If you can impregnate a woman, you're a man, and if you can be impregnated by a man, you're a woman."

Anyway, I hope you're not trying to tell me that a (male) Zaman who sucks someone's penis or gets fucked in the ass by someone's penis is engaging in heterosexual sex.

Futa Vashti sounds like a pretty interesting character, but only if it opens up the possibility of relationships with women for her. That's actually what I'm asking you here. Will it open up new relationships, or will it only lead to a visual change to the already existing scenes and nothing else will change?

 

[Apollo Seven]

This is actually a subject of much debate.

If you give a woman a penis (a fully functional penis with fully functional testicles capable of reproduction), is it a woman with a male penis, or a man with female breasts? It's a very gendered discussion that I don't want to get into here, but my personal opinion is: "If you can impregnate a woman, you're a man, and if you can be impregnated by a man, you're a woman."

Anyway, I hope you're not trying to tell me that a (male) Zaman who sucks someone's penis or gets fucked in the ass by someone's penis is engaging in heterosexual sex.

Futa Vashti sounds like a pretty interesting character, but only if it opens up the possibility of relationships with women for her. That's actually what I'm asking you here. Will it open up new relationships, or will it only lead to a visual change to the already existing scenes and nothing else will change?

Yes it leads to new relationships.

 

[Edvin]

Yes it leads to new relationships.

Nice, that's exactly what I wanted to hear.
I like Vashti's pragmatic and manipulative approach, and if I also get the chance to build my own harem, that's all I need to know to choose my main character.

 

[Supreme Leader]

What the fuck is this? lol.
If you're blocking spoilers why even show it in the first place?

 

[Apollo Seven]

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What the fuck is this? lol.
If you're blocking spoilers why even show it in the first place?

That's not a spoiler, that's how text appears in the voyeur scenes. Ths whole point of those scenes is evoking the feeling of half overhearing a conversation. I tried a bunch of stuff, but in the end blocking out some of the actual text felt best. It's very easy to get around, just a tonal thing for people who like voyeur content.

 

[humonelpessi]

W game

 

[Giltia]

Holy shit a sequel!

 

[Eldiran]

It seem that we haven't the same definition of Arabian, but yeah you're clearly not racist enough, because what esle would it be ?

Fetish is about attraction,and you can't force me to jerk off to something I'm not aroused by, you clearly miss the point.

Fair enough! I can understand your point now, and i agree. Have a nice day good sir.

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What the fuck is this? lol.
If you're blocking spoilers why even show it in the first place?


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Seem to me that you clearly didn't play the first game because it's also present (and that's allright of course!). It reflect the fact that the MC we are following had a bit of difficulty to hear what they are saying, i personnally like it.

 

[jimmydiddly]

Excited for the release. After trying to the demo I will say I hate the assassins. I liked being able to kinda take my time in levels in the first Netoria with positioning and getting to enjoy the grope scenes and i feel like the assassins kinda ruin it and are overtuned. Especially on the last part of the demo for Zaman's pov. I feel like even when I did literally nothing except try to get him to the mushroom as fast as possible, the assassin still spawns and would just run over and immediately 1shot him. I had to redo the level like 5 times before he randomly decided to go after Shah instead of Zaman so i was actually able to complete it.

Not even playing on Hard difficulty, just Normal and it's that frustrating. Also kinda miss gaining levels the way it was in the first game. The extra povs and paths are cool but so far I feel like Netoria 1 played better as an rpg and had a better balance of H content since you weren't basically on a timer in every level cuz of the stupid assassins 1shotting your units.

So far the levels just feel overly chaotic and just like a deluge of shit thrown at you with your units feeling pretty weak overall.

 

[Supreme Leader]

Seem to me that you clearly didn't play the first game because it's also present (and that's allright of course!). It reflect the fact that the MC we are following had a bit of difficulty to hear what they are saying, i personnally like it.

Oh shit. My fault! LOL
Thought it was the dev trying to not spoil. Hmm. Kinda makes me wanna play now.

 

[SomeoneOrSomething]

It seems weird that the only story path not present would be one most people would be interested in in an NTR game, AKA, netorare/netorase from the cuck's POV. The Dev mentioned Azar's path would potentially include it later on as a fail state, but seeing as that's the netori focus path, you end up with forcing contradicting fetishes for most of that path.
You basically have the women's PoV, the bull's PoV, the random side chick's PoV, and an MtF PoV.

 

[fetishgirl]

Some of the complaints are strange implying that NTR and a MtF TF are exclusive when there are many games on this site that include both. Or is it because they just don't like to see the Male MC get cucked while as a woman? Can they only find it arousing if the MC gets cucked and humiliated while they are still in a male body? Personally I don't see the difference in some ways its better as the former male loses absolutely everything instead of just their partner/potential partner. Maybe its a self-insert thing for those complaining in the comments as they want to self-insert as the MC that gets cucked?

Otherwise the game is great. It is a shame we don't go all the way to the end of chapter 1 but the gameplay did seem a lot better than the previous demo I tried. I am very interested in what happens if Azar fails in his goals since his main rival is a woman and it states she steals from Azar. Does that imply she gets a harem instead wonder if at the end of the route Azar gets stuck as a woman joins the harem too.
Vashti futa domming the rest of the party seems really interesting too and whether Zaman can still keep Shah as a woman interests me too.
Shah's route right now seems by far the most disappointing. The femboi TF doesn't seem to have a route and her fail state against her rival seems to be death? Something about her being brought to justice. Looking forward to more from this game in the future its a lot different to the previous game but it has improvements compared to the first.

 

[Apollo Seven]

It seems weird that the only story path not present would be one most people would be interested in in an NTR game, AKA, netorare/netorase from the cuck's POV. The Dev mentioned Azar's path would potentially include it later on as a fail state, but seeing as that's the netori focus path, you end up with forcing contradicting fetishes for most of that path.
You basically have the women's PoV, the bull's PoV, the random side chick's PoV, and an MtF PoV.

Maybe I'm explaining this badly. I was just using the Azar stuff as an example. Both Zaman and Shah have something called the null route, which is a state where neither of them are in a relationship with anybody, they've broken up. From there is where the most NTR version of events take place. So Zaman/Shah alone with all the other members of the party having been stolen and such.

Some of the complaints are strange implying that NTR and a MtF TF are exclusive when there are many games on this site that include both. Or is it because they just don't like to see the Male MC get cucked while as a woman? Can they only find it arousing if the MC gets cucked and humiliated while they are still in a male body? Personally I don't see the difference in some ways its better as the former male loses absolutely everything instead of just their partner/potential partner. Maybe its a self-insert thing for those complaining in the comments as they want to self-insert as the MC that gets cucked?

Otherwise the game is great. It is a shame we don't go all the way to the end of chapter 1 but the gameplay did seem a lot better than the previous demo I tried. I am very interested in what happens if Azar fails in his goals since his main rival is a woman and it states she steals from Azar. Does that imply she gets a harem instead wonder if at the end of the route Azar gets stuck as a woman joins the harem too.
Vashti futa domming the rest of the party seems really interesting too and whether Zaman can still keep Shah as a woman interests me too.
Shah's route right now seems by far the most disappointing. The femboi TF doesn't seem to have a route and her fail state against her rival seems to be death? Something about her being brought to justice. Looking forward to more from this game in the future its a lot different to the previous game but it has improvements compared to the first.

The failure state for Azar in his competition with Safa is Azar ending up alone while Safa has his would-be harem, yes.

Shah's route all about her gaining confidence and breaking out of her love triangle. Have you ever seen one of those romance movies like Twilight and wanted the heroine to just fuck both of them already? That's where Shah is going if she succeeds. The stuff with her villain Nasib is not leading towards death. Nasib is the least malicious of the villains, his goals are all about trying to prove to himself that he is a good crown prince by solving his friends muder, because he knows Zaman didn't do it. So we have two characters both trying to prove their own worth to themselves colliding. And the results vary from Shah falling love with Nasib as well and adding him to her polyamorous relationship, or Shah become his sex slave.

And the femboy stuff is mostly aesthetic. It doesn't matter much to the story if Shah prefers being in her girl or boy form.