Ren'Py New Family [v0.1.0] [King Peanut]

[Obsidion69]

And this is really the - very rarely maneuvered - problem of devs wanting to "play both sides" with NTR and Vanilla in adult games, really. Most of the time, it starts out with the best of intentions, explicitly with the plan of either an even split, or NTR as a "small, avoidable piece". But by the nature of having it there, the most ardent NTR haters stop supporting, and more and more NTR fans start supporting, eventually trying to push the dev towards adding more NTR focus, which many devs will do once their audience is leaning more in that direction.

The only ones I've seen really navigate this somewhat okay are games like Power Vacuum, because they seemed to have had a fairly well set plan from the beginning of NTR only as "bad ends", which you could turn off, while the bulk of the content is vanilla. That being said, it has still fallen into the trap, with the NTR fans still taking over when it comes to the "What If?" side content releases, which are almost all exclusively NTR focused. And there is still often frustration from some fans of the game over the specific order of when characters get scenes with the MC vs when they get Bad End/NTR scenes given to them. But overall, it's still a game that has managed to toe that line between vanilla and NTR fairly well, all things considered. And there are a few others that pull it off as well, of course, but they they are all generally exceptions rather than the rule.

Given what someone posted a few posts up, the Dev now seems to be planning on removing any NTR from the game going forward, which is probably the right move. Hopefully any other prospective devs who happen across this thread will read these posts and understand that it's better to either go full-hog or no-hog with NTR, especially for a first game.

It's one thing if you already have a game under your belt and people trust your ability to release updates in an expedient manner, and your ability to be transparent with how you're going to handle things. Then if you decide you want to have some multiple routes and have avoidable NTR (or other controversial tags like futa/trans, gay/trap, rape, etc) you can do that, and people might be more willing to trust you to pull it off. But a first-timer trying to do those things is gonna end up turning a lot of people off.

The ultimate moral of the story being one that eludes most h-game indie devs - have your game fully planned out from the beginning before you start one line of code or produce a single image. Or in other words have a well thought out plan to make the game you want to make and don't let it be unreasonably controlled by the whims of your supporters cause there's an audience for just about everything and if you genuinely appeal to an audience the money will come assuming your product is any good to begin with.

 

[Uryzell]

It's such a shame people can't just not stop themselves from picking the option that they won't like. As a person who likes both sides, I'll end up playing it much longer to see all content as I see each path as a different "universe." I just don't understand it. I don't like piss and shit thus when an option comes up I just avoid it and call it a day. No idea why people see the option then immediately go on forums to blow their gasket. It sucks games can't be very creative with completely different types of paths without people getting all emotional and stop supporting over content that they do everything they can to see even with multiple warnings. The instant walk-back is such a shame.

I agree in part, but the biggest problem in my opinion are the updates, if the dev can't deliver both paths at the same time with the character, one of the sides will get pissed off and start putting pressure on the dev, who often ends up abandoning the project, or making wrong decisions due to the pressure, so although I understand, I prefer the game to be focused on just one audience, that way, you can dedicate yourself fully to that.

 

[Rickarus]

The ultimate moral of the story being one that eludes most h-game indie devs - have your game fully planned out from the beginning before you start one line of code or produce a single image. Or in other words have a well thought out plan to make the game you want to make and don't let it be unreasonably controlled by the whims of your supporters cause there's an audience for just about everything and if you genuinely appeal to an audience the money will come assuming your product is any good to begin with.

Honestly, I don't necessarily thing it needs to be "fully planned out", but I do think it should be fully thought out. Think about what kind of audience you want, what kind of game you want to be making for the next several years, assuming you plan on making a game that has any sort of scale of course. Think about whether you want to try and make money with the game, or if it's simply a passion project for you.

Because despite everything I said before, if someone has no expectation or desire to make money off of a game, then sure, make whatever game they want, do whatever routes and side content and take as long as they would like. And then, probably avoid coming to forums for the most part, unless they enjoy participating in arguments and debates lol.

But if they do want to make money, then take a stance on all the "controversial" tags - like NTR (and also sharing, swinging, and voyeur if it includes a dick other than the MC's), futa/trans, gay, rape, and I'm sure some others I'm missing - and choose to go all in on it as a focus of the game, or avoid it completely. If you absolutely feel like you need to have both, you just have to understand that you'll be alienating a huge chunk of your potential audience, while not exactly appeasing the other side because of only going with a half-measure.

All this being said, this is definitely getting off-topic for this thread, so probably best to cut the conversation short, especially given the dev seems to be cutting the NTR from the game going forward apparently.

 

[fajiker145]

Hello, I’m a game developer.
I came here to promote my game, but I see it’s already been posted! XD

This is my first time developing a game, and to be honest, I wanted to satisfy both vanilla and NTR preferences. Out of that desire, I ambitiously tried to create both routes. However, while waiting for my game to be indexed on Itch, I spent time here observing people’s preferences. That’s when I realized that many people dislike NTR.

( I actually like both vanilla and NTR and never really cared about other people’s preferences before, so I didn’t know so many people were against NTR.)

Realizing how unpopular NTR is, and since the NTR route hadn’t been fully developed yet, I was debating whether to remove it or not. But today, my game was indexed, and I saw comments on Itch disliking NTR as well. That made me realize I was being overly ambitious, trying to cater to both those who like vanilla and those who like NTR.

So, I’ve decided to remove the NTR route in the next patch and focus solely on vanilla content.

P.S. Could you please update the Itch link in the post? The one currently listed is scheduled for deletion. Here’s the correct link:

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Thank you!

it was obvious you were a fan of ntr if you had the dude that cucks the MC in the banner lol. And I am pretty sure he is the one fucking one of the girls in one of the preview pics.

My advice would be to go with the original plan, dude. You just need to be clear about the ntr. Put it in the OP that the game will feature such scenes and thats all, you dont have to remove it.

The main problerm was the lack of communication about it in the future tags and the overview in the OP, you read this and you dont get the idea you are about to download a cuck game:

The story begins with the main character, who lost their parents at a young age, being taken in by a new family. This new family, though not related by blood, is a small, close-knit community that relies on one another. As the main character lives and grows with them, they share in each other’s lives and experiences. The unfolding relationships within this family and the events they encounter together form the central storyline

Same in itch, there is no notice that the game will feature it. So people who dont like get surprised and comment about it.

There's obviously an audience for ntr, even if it is more niche, once you advertise the game as what it is, a ntr game, then you'll get the audience you want: ntr and a few vanilla that are ok with "avoidable ntr", and the rest that hates it will just stay away mostly. Ive seen a lot of ntr devs remove ntr due to pressure and then just adding it back because they like it ( which causes a shitstorm) or just abandoning the game due to lack of motivation, so I think you are making a mistake tbh, specially since you already said you are a fan of ntr so not many people will trust you to not add it eventually anyway, thats happened way too many times.

 

[Obsidion69]

Honestly, I don't necessarily thing it needs to be "fully planned out", but I do think it should be fully thought out. Think about what kind of audience you want, what kind of game you want to be making for the next several years, assuming you plan on making a game that has any sort of scale of course. Think about whether you want to try and make money with the game, or if it's simply a passion project for you.

Because despite everything I said before, if someone has no expectation or desire to make money off of a game, then sure, make whatever game they want, do whatever routes and side content and take as long as they would like. And then, probably avoid coming to forums for the most part, unless they enjoy participating in arguments and debates lol.

But if they do want to make money, then take a stance on all the "controversial" tags - like NTR (and also sharing, swinging, and voyeur if it includes a dick other than the MC's), futa/trans, gay, rape, and I'm sure some others I'm missing - and choose to go all in on it as a focus of the game, or avoid it completely. If you absolutely feel like you need to have both, you just have to understand that you'll be alienating a huge chunk of your potential audience, while not exactly appeasing the other side because of only going with a half-measure.

All this being said, this is definitely getting off-topic for this thread, so probably best to cut the conversation short, especially given the dev seems to be cutting the NTR from the game going forward apparently.

By fully planned out I mean you have your entire story outlined although the exact dialog isn't necessarily written, you know exactly what game mechanics you're gonna use, you have a development plan with milestones in place, etc... Take it from someone with a degree in software development every minute of planning at the start will save you an hour to a day at the end. There's also some room for pleasing the fans like if you have multiple routes you can adjust which routes get finished first based on fan polling as long as it doesn't interfere with the overall plan but you don't go adding or cutting stuff just to please them cause had a fully flushed out plan from the start. You save the "great ideas" you have in the middle and end of the dev process for the next game.

 

[Frankbob]

Hello, I’m a game developer.
I came here to promote my game, but I see it’s already been posted! XD

This is my first time developing a game, and to be honest, I wanted to satisfy both vanilla and NTR preferences. Out of that desire, I ambitiously tried to create both routes. However, while waiting for my game to be indexed on Itch, I spent time here observing people’s preferences. That’s when I realized that many people dislike NTR.

( I actually like both vanilla and NTR and never really cared about other people’s preferences before, so I didn’t know so many people were against NTR.)

Realizing how unpopular NTR is, and since the NTR route hadn’t been fully developed yet, I was debating whether to remove it or not. But today, my game was indexed, and I saw comments on Itch disliking NTR as well. That made me realize I was being overly ambitious, trying to cater to both those who like vanilla and those who like NTR.

So, I’ve decided to remove the NTR route in the next patch and focus solely on vanilla content.

P.S. Could you please update the Itch link in the post? The one currently listed is scheduled for deletion. Here’s the correct link:

You must be registered to see the links

Thank you!

lol, grow a back bone. Do you really wanna make a game for such unstable people?

 

[ChaosJokerX]

Game looks interesting, if game have cheating/netori I don't mind. So good luck dev and hoping for android version in future

 

[Jason177877]

I agree in part, but the biggest problem in my opinion are the updates, if the dev can't deliver both paths at the same time with the character, one of the sides will get pissed off and start putting pressure on the dev, who often ends up abandoning the project, or making wrong decisions due to the pressure, so although I understand, I prefer the game to be focused on just one audience, that way, you can dedicate yourself fully to that.

That's fair, if you are going to do it, it needs to be balanced out. I disagree on one audience though, since I am both, it's just difference in mind set I guess. Sometimes I want the MC to be romantic and full sweet romance, other times I want to see the women get corrupted and dominated. Same characters that can satisfy two separate scenarios that I like. I think a big problem though, is there is a good amount of people who won't even tolerate the other side getting any amount of attention or a dev is fair and swaps between paths per update and instantly stop supporting, which causes the issue of NTR people becoming the main requesters in content. It's a self-inflicted issue, and blaming the devs for "going that way" isn't fair, the people with less tolerance of paths that they can easily avoid abandoned support.

 

[zoku]

Is it possible to change names/relationships?

 

[Xythurr]

Hello, I’m a game developer.
I came here to promote my game, but I see it’s already been posted! XD

This is my first time developing a game, and to be honest, I wanted to satisfy both vanilla and NTR preferences. Out of that desire, I ambitiously tried to create both routes. However, while waiting for my game to be indexed on Itch, I spent time here observing people’s preferences. That’s when I realized that many people dislike NTR.

( I actually like both vanilla and NTR and never really cared about other people’s preferences before, so I didn’t know so many people were against NTR.)

Realizing how unpopular NTR is, and since the NTR route hadn’t been fully developed yet, I was debating whether to remove it or not. But today, my game was indexed, and I saw comments on Itch disliking NTR as well. That made me realize I was being overly ambitious, trying to cater to both those who like vanilla and those who like NTR.

So, I’ve decided to remove the NTR route in the next patch and focus solely on vanilla content.

P.S. Could you please update the Itch link in the post? The one currently listed is scheduled for deletion. Here’s the correct link:

You must be registered to see the links

Thank you!

You know what? Kudos to you dev for not getting all offended and doubling down out of spite like I've seen so many other devs do. The fact you care about your audience despite your own preferences shows refreshing maturity and I think more people should support you.

If you eventually want to do something with NTR just make a game that focuses on that for maximum success. Your attitude alone means I may have to buy you a coffee.

 

[Corvinus1992]

This looks interesting. Nice to see a game with good desing not being a fucking NTR. I downloaded the file, but the file dosent work for me. 150mb file, is this correct?

 

[giveupkuzu]

Look good

 

[Rawrhaider]

Ntr game haters ruining developers game ideas. The ntr would have probably been very avoidable but your discontent ruined it

 

[zeroobliv]

If you ask me, take notes from King of Summer dev if you're looking at how to tackle games like this instead the huge bias from people here. But what do I know. Looked interesting until I saw that post. Good Luck.

 

[JoleenStar]

Currently no reason to play this. It needs about 8 more updates.

 

[Mrbrain32]

Very cool, looking forward to updates

 

[{Jeizaguretokanteishi01}]

looks good so far and i will say im looking forward to more updates

 

[Egris]

Looks great but future ntr is a no for me, good luck tho!

 

[Vinhvn18]

yummy

 

[hentai9xxx]

the best game ever man. Its so nice