Pablim1
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after reading all this crazy things, this dude should do a episode that shows the MC isn't related and continue with the story with this new plot twist. this should minimize his "trauma"
Thing is, without the patch the game has that "landlady" and "roommate" thing that never makes sense as such but somehow fools Patreon. Come on, on what planet does "OMG I can't have sex with my roommate! This isn't Alabama!" make sense?
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100% agree. Sounds like he was struggling with the incest aspect of NMM for a while now and it's gotten to a point where he doesn't enjoy working on it anymore. I'm happy he's coming back to NMM to conclude things but he should absolutely make the games he wants to make.
I've played indie games on steam for a long time... long before I started following AVNs. Trust me when I say this is not a precedent. Sometimes projects get dropped for all sorts of reasons including personal reasons. So it's just the way it is. That's why there's a very lengthy disclaimer about it on Steam for early access games as well as similar documentation on Patreon. We all know what we're getting into and there is never a guarantee that the game will be finished. If we like the game, we want to support the development of it.
People can get mad and throw fits, but at the end of the day the dev does have the right to step away for personal reasons.
And people absolutely have the right to never support a dev who has ever abandoned a game. And the attitude they can just stop for whatever reason is a good reason why some people never support period...
Umh... No more homework 
? Charlotte and Denise are college's teachers, Bea and Triss coed, Katrina drug dealer. No more family drama! Only steamy affair from college to night club. Ok, buyed
Seriously I liked the first game thanks to "sidechicks" and this one for the wonderful LI: the family story is often boring and overused but the carachter are well written, easy to re-propose in another context. Good work Royalcandy
? Charlotte and Denise are college's teachers, Bea and Triss coed, Katrina drug dealer. No more family drama! Only steamy affair from college to night club. Ok, buyed Seriously I liked the first game thanks to "sidechicks" and this one for the wonderful LI: the family story is often boring and overused but the carachter are well written, easy to re-propose in another context. Good work Royalcandy
Overlord070
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He does, and it's insane to say otherwise, but people can still voice their frustrations (especially if they gave the dev money).
Dev also shouldn't be under any illusion if he doesn't receive support for future projects after abandoning one, it is what it is.
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Just because something happens doesn't mean that people have to blindly tolerate it without complaint.
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Oh there's been plenty of complaint already. More than enough of it. You guys have that part down. There really isn't anything left that hasn't already been said ad nauseum though. On the subject, how much longer until ya'll get it all out of your system? Just wondering when we'll get back to talking about the game again instead of all the angry, entitled complaints we've seen over the last several days. Thread is usually cooler when we're talking about tiddies.
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Just to be clear, Royal candy's issue is with the incest, and not just making porn games in general right? I have seen devs abandon projects because they wanted to stop making porn all together
I don't know for sure, But I bet if this Dev went on to make a non incest lewd game with the quality of this one, He would have as much, if not more support.
Just needs lots of milfs, can't forget the milfs
I don't know for sure, But I bet if this Dev went on to make a non incest lewd game with the quality of this one, He would have as much, if not more support.
Just needs lots of milfs, can't forget the milfs
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Yeah it seems to specifically the incest that was bothering him, for much longer than any of us knew apparently. In the first announcement, he did briefly mention considering going SFW entirely, but it seems he's made a decision on that as of this last announcement after he calmed down. Seems he wants to keep doing porn games but it will be sans-incest. Which is fine by me. I'd totally support it.Just to be clear, Royal candy's issue is with the incest, and not just making porn games in general right? I have seen devs abandon projects because they wanted to stop making porn all together
I don't know for sure, But I bet if the Dev went on to make a non incest lewd game with the quality of this one, He would have as much, if not more support.
Just needs lots of milfs, can't forget the milfs
I've been really looking forward to the Emma cuckquean subplot since the start of Season 3, but I have a feeling that she's on the cut list for NMM now
. Maybe he'll do something with a cuckquean GF in his next game though. Fuck, just take everything about Emma and plug her into a different setting and I'll be happy lol. Busty blonde quckquean GF, yes please! My last thoughts on the subject. Sure, a dev has the right to drop whatever they're working on. As I'm writing an adult-themed story, I get that. What Most people are upset about is the way that it was handled, particularly those who paid in his support. Devs make demos to drum up continued support. That support, In Turn, is what is known as "Good Faith" money or to be more precise, investment into a promising start up account. Because doing VNs or KNs for followers are more of a personal transaction, there's going to be a lot more emotion tied to them as well, as far as expectations and suggestions are concerned.
I believe I said it in a previous post, maybe not But, having a crisis of conscious couldn't have come overnight, it Seldom does. When you have bona fide Investors of your product involved, the Courteous and Professional thing to do is, give them Fair Warning that you want to make a change and why. That way the investors get a heads up and can choose whether to abandon ship early or stay through to the end. If this were the stock market and a company did away from what investors expected of it without warning which, in turn, cause the loss of revenue, people in the company would be facing fines and/or jail time. Since this Isn't the stock market, the only way out for supporters is to show vehement displeasure. Nobody likes to feel like they're being fleeced, even multi-billionaires care about wasted money.
Imo, what Should have happened was, RC give a warning about a crisis of conscious and his reasons. Then apologize and give a promise that the storylines would be resolved to both his and his supporters' satisfaction. The time being on hold could have been spent on revising a few storylines, cutting out the less important ones, then finally close out the story. That way, there'd be no need to rush into finishing a story that he was no longer comfortable with and adding even more frustration and resentment to supporters. Idk if he's following the latter course of action but given what's been said and suggested thus far, this is what the end result will logically play out to.
Financial support is a show of good faith that a dev will do what they say & put out the best product. It's a matter of trust and if that trust is betrayed, people have a right to be angry, that's just the way the world works. If he's in conflict about the theme, I'm sure that he could find some eager soul to take it over and finish it. Then, there'd be no guilt on his part, either for the theme or whether the end of the story came out bad or good because he'd have washed his hands of the whole affair.
I empathize with RC, I Really do but, when you start taking people's money, you put yourself into a box that becomes almost obligatory in nature. It's Certainly reciprocal in nature, Especially if you've been getting paid over the course of a year or more. Again, that's just the way the world works.
I believe I said it in a previous post, maybe not But, having a crisis of conscious couldn't have come overnight, it Seldom does. When you have bona fide Investors of your product involved, the Courteous and Professional thing to do is, give them Fair Warning that you want to make a change and why. That way the investors get a heads up and can choose whether to abandon ship early or stay through to the end. If this were the stock market and a company did away from what investors expected of it without warning which, in turn, cause the loss of revenue, people in the company would be facing fines and/or jail time. Since this Isn't the stock market, the only way out for supporters is to show vehement displeasure. Nobody likes to feel like they're being fleeced, even multi-billionaires care about wasted money.
Imo, what Should have happened was, RC give a warning about a crisis of conscious and his reasons. Then apologize and give a promise that the storylines would be resolved to both his and his supporters' satisfaction. The time being on hold could have been spent on revising a few storylines, cutting out the less important ones, then finally close out the story. That way, there'd be no need to rush into finishing a story that he was no longer comfortable with and adding even more frustration and resentment to supporters. Idk if he's following the latter course of action but given what's been said and suggested thus far, this is what the end result will logically play out to.
Financial support is a show of good faith that a dev will do what they say & put out the best product. It's a matter of trust and if that trust is betrayed, people have a right to be angry, that's just the way the world works. If he's in conflict about the theme, I'm sure that he could find some eager soul to take it over and finish it. Then, there'd be no guilt on his part, either for the theme or whether the end of the story came out bad or good because he'd have washed his hands of the whole affair.
I empathize with RC, I Really do but, when you start taking people's money, you put yourself into a box that becomes almost obligatory in nature. It's Certainly reciprocal in nature, Especially if you've been getting paid over the course of a year or more. Again, that's just the way the world works.
Overlord070
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This is most likely what drove him to continue this VN even if he now dislikes taboo content, he will still have a lot of support going forward but imo people are wary of supporting a dev that gives up (no matter how legit a reason it is), especially on a project that is universally liked.Just to be clear, Royal candy's issue is with the incest, and not just making porn games in general right? I have seen devs abandon projects because they wanted to stop making porn all together
I don't know for sure, But I bet if this Dev went on to make a non incest lewd game with the quality of this one, He would have as much, if not more support.
Just needs lots of milfs, can't forget the milfs
Personally, I don't have a lot of hope for the ending of this project, but I'm sure the next one will be great (as long as he doesn't have another crisis...). Dev has a talent for this type of thing.
Honestly, if he had voiced these concerns early on, it wouldn't have been as much of an issue as it is now. From a fans perspective, it looks like he suddenly did a 180 on the project after 4 years into it when the likely scenario is he has struggled with it for a while and never mentioned anything.
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I don't mind him making someone else, but if he really should finish his work on this one before starting something new or at least add an ending.Just to be clear, Royal candy's issue is with the incest, and not just making porn games in general right? I have seen devs abandon projects because they wanted to stop making porn all together
I don't know for sure, But I bet if this Dev went on to make a non incest lewd game with the quality of this one, He would have as much, if not more support.
Just needs lots of milfs, can't forget the milfs
Luckily, he promised just that.
But I don't care for what people call milfs. Most of the time, what people call milfs I call old hags.
I don't really care if the woman has kids or not, wilf will do it for me. Just not a ohwsttaaltimddwtt (old hag with saggy tits, two asses and lifesavers that I most definitly don't want to touch)
What most people call MILFs are older than me. Women my age are between MILF and GILF (though I have women I graduated HS with who became grandmothers several years back - and no they didn't get pregnant in high school.)
Drama queen. I was already good with the fact the game was just dropped. I still am. Nothing more needed to be said. It's just my opinion, and to be clear I'd like to feel for the guy, but honestly he just openly and intentionally shot himself in the foot by even freaking saying anything. Seems to me that if he is genuinely as conflicted as he says he is he should have just left it alone and kept his mouth shut. What does he want the community to talk him out of it? WTF?
Overlord070
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He wants to continue making AVNs so either he bit the bullet and let everyone know what was up, or he'd have to start again from nothing under a new name.
You're right, and I understand that. But correct me if I'm wrong here. We all got that message loud and clear when he announced the first time that he wasn't going to continue with the game, didn't we? I know that I did, it was very clear to me. And again, correct me if I'm wrong. He got full acceptance from nearly everybody, even though so many liked the game. Even accolades for manning up and announcing it and not leaving everyone hanging. At that moment I thought that was borderline 'admirable'. That should have been the end of it. But now there's first a comeback with well I guess I'll abandon my new moral compass orientation and finish it, only to be...almost immediately...followed up with no I won't I just can't do it. What? It just seems like he's trying to either get 'validation from the masses' or see how much resistance he gets, or IDKWTF. Or maybe just keep the conversation on him. IDK, I just think it was a dumb thing to do. If he genuinely wants to, as you say, keep his reputation and continue, he needs to think these posts through before he publishes them.
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Hey guys,
After going through the poll results that I made last time, along with your comments and messages, I’ve come to a conclusion that I hope you’ll like.
Since you’ve all been so understanding about my situation, I think it’s only fair to give something back. So next week, I’ll be coming back to work and continuing development on No More Money. I plan to release a few more episodes, but I’ll be focusing mainly on the important parts of the story. I’ve decided to cut out some of the filler events, especially with characters that aren’t central to the plot or have . Also, I’ll be simplifying the endings a bit—not too much—but enough to wrap things up in a few updates without making it feel rushed.
Some of you have supported me from the very beginning, and it wouldn’t feel right to abandon the project or hand it off to someone else. I’ve put a lot into this game—time, money, effort—but so have you. So it’s only fair that I finish it properly, and then I’ll decide what comes next.
Just to clarify a few things about my situation: I’m not projecting myself onto the MC or weirdly relating to the game on a personal level. I can keep my personal life separate from the story. But when I started No More Money, I didn’t expect to end up resembling Erwin—a bit of a workaholic, with a wife I sometimes neglect because of work, and now two kids (a boy and a girl). That parallel hit a little too close to home. Still, the bigger issue has been around a certain fetish I’ve explored in the game. I’ve been feeling a lot of shame about that, and I know I need to make a change. It’s been a struggle for nearly two years, but I’ve made it this far—I can manage a few more months.
So, yeah, I’m getting back to work next week. The only hiccup is that, during my little “meltdown”, I ended up wiping my entire disk while trying to get some closure. So right now, I don’t have any of the No More Money project files. The good news is, I should still have all the characters, locations, and most of the game files on the machine I used for rendering animations, so I’m hopeful I will recover everything I need to keep going.
Unfortunately, a few events from the episode I had already written are probably lost. I really wish I could get those back, and I’m sorry about that.
I’ll keep you all updated, and thank you again for being so patient during these past three months—I really needed that time.
P.S. I will try and reply to all your messages, fix any missing links, bugs next week when I get back to work!
Bests,
Jason
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He had a meltdown and made some rash decisions while in a fit of panic including wiping his entire disk. I don't think that's all too difficult to relate to for a lot of us. I think we've all been there in one way or another. I know I have. I've gotten mad and shitfaced and deleted a bunch of shit I've worked on for years only to regret it the next day. I know exactly what that morning after feels like.
Point is, he wasn't in a sound state of mind when he made that first announcement, so I think we can give him the benefit of the doubt. He's not trying to cheat anyone... not trying to dick anyone over... he's not trying to be a "drama queen"... None of this is about reputation or validation. He just hit a really fucking bad mental state that he's now trying to recover from after calming down and re-evaluating things.
The important thing is he finally opened up about it. Lord knows shit like that is hard especially when it feels like you're letting people down in doing it. But now we know how he feels about making incest content and somewhat where we're going with NMM. The rough patch is past and NMM is back on with a little bit of a setback. Let's just let the man cook.