Nobody thinks this is strange?

[Adabelitoo]

Consenting adults is just one of criteria, and there can be many more criteria to judge something. You don't justify bribery by saying it's okay because it's between two consenting adults.

The thing here is that it's not okay because you are harming someone else. It doesn't matter if you bribe an adult or a 5-years-old kid, if you have to bribe someone else then you already know that what you're doing isn't okay.

Incest is harmful to the society, because it jeopardizes the bond of the family, which eventually affects to the entire society as family is the basic unit of any country.

How? In the way I see it you might want to have sex with a relative for two reason:
1) You love the other person.
2) You just want to have sex because the other person is hot/attractive.

If 1): I don't see how love can "jeopardize" anything, I don't see how that can be harmfull at all, and here it does apply the concept of consenting adults because if an adult loves a 10-years-old kid then the adult is the one adult enough to fully understand the situation but the kid isn't and he/she probably doesn't fully understand what he/she is getting into it.
If 2): Sex can be just sex and nothing else, it's just sex for fun and pleasure. As long as both sides are consenting adults it doesn't matter what you do, it doesn't matter if you want to fuck or eat one more piece of cake. It's just their business, not yours, not society's, it's just their business.

Incest also pollutes the gene-pool of the country.

It was already told before, it's not the "incest", it's the repetition.

You might argue, they can take precautions, but you know it doesn't happen always, then you end up seeing so many innocent children with genetic defects.

1) Why do you think that having a kid is in the order right after having sex? Why the wish of having sex means having a kid as well? Having sex by 1) or 2) doesn't necessarily involve kids. My brother is 40, he met her gf at 20, they spent 20 years together and don't have or wish to have kids. Do you think they never had sex?

So many children are suffering because of reckless teenagers, and this will make it even worst. So just don't involve children (directly or indirectly) into fetishes.

So what do you think should we do? Forbid teenager of having sex and buy chastity belts for everyone? Or actually educating teenager so they know how the consequences and how to prevent it? Lastly, if you want to talk about "harmful to the society", you have the church manipulating people in every single possible way you can imagine (but let's just focus on sex here) and telling everyone to not use any contraceptives at all, but sure, the real problem here are those who want to have sex with their relatives...

 

[polywog]

Charles Darwin, the fucking father of evolution, one of the most respected, and admired men in scientific history, was himself an inbred. There's nothing "wrong" with having sex your relatives. Children born of incest are not "bad" people.

Many people today are promoting interracial relationships, despite the well known genetic incompatibilities that result from race mixing. 400% more likely to result in birth defects, than from inbreeding. Darwin married his first cousin, and they had 10 beautiful children together.

 

[baloneysammich]

It's not like two "healthy" family members with no problems, start make two headed babies if they jump in the sack.

Oh yeah... so many... there's 5.21% of the children that have birth defect in countries where consanguinity is an exception, against 6.99% in countries where it happen (relatively speaking) often ; yet in two of those countries, the rate is lower than 1.5% [

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Of course, the said rate is subject to caution, since it depend of the locale definition of "birth defect". Yet even with a large interpretation it just pass the risk from 5% to 10%.

It was already told before, it's not the "incest", it's the repetition.

When coupled with excess mortality rates, the statistics regarding even "first-generation" incestuous offspring are more compelling.

A 1994 study found a mean excess mortality with inbreeding among first cousins of 4.4%.

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Children of parent-child or sibling-sibling unions are at increased risk compared to cousin-cousin unions. Studies suggest that 20-36% of these children will die or have major disability due to the inbreeding.

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[woody554]

You who like this theme and play this type of game: Would you have sex with your mothers ??

no way. I can't even think about my relatives sexually without instant and overwhelming disgust. as far as I'm concerned my parents had sex exactly as many times as I have siblings, in the dark, and didn't enjoy it. about anything beyond that I choose to be in absolute denial.

in games and stories it's totally different, that's not my mom even if I identify with the MC. for me the main thing is that the mom is the last person who's gonna let the MC fuck her, the biggest possible obstacle in the protagonist's way. which makes it the biggest pay-off if he manages to ovecome the obstacle.

which is also why I instantly lose any interest if the heroines are sluts who just give it up at a drop of a hat. can't stand it. no reason to play on.

 

[Glorified_ignorance]

doidera

Its not strange, its whats "popular" right now isint it ? Thats what motivates people to work on as main subject.
I can bet that most of devs arent themselves into such fetish.
Its no ones business what everyone likes, its their own world that we must not judge.
Anything related in rl with this genre, is just sick and wrong.
To simple put: It's all 'bout the money, It's all 'bout the dun dun do do do...

 

[Solreal]

Mom is that you?

 

[Twistty]

It's just a conversation, okay? No fights, please

Nobody here thinks it's strange the high number of games with the theme of mother and child? These people who are doing several games between mother and child have a serious problem ... only I think this fixation of these players here is bizarre to have so much game with this theme?
Fear of catching the mother, catching sisters ... that's not a little strange, is it?

I don't know anyone here and I highly doubt that one day I will come to meet someone in person in this life and much more unlikely that, if one day I do, I will know that he is a regular on this forum, so tell me ...
You who like this theme and play this type of game: Would you have sex with your mothers ??

I kind of understand the appeal, but when I first joined F95, I was shocked by the SHEER NUMBER of porn games hosted in here that are focused on incest. I mostly consume Japanese erotic media, and while obvioulsy the theme still exists in there, is nowhere near as much compared to western porn. This probably warrants some sort of cultural analysis.

Think its more about the "Under the Same Roof" theme.
And a sense of familiarity - more than anything?
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- its one of the most popular "tags"

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

#1 I have no desire for any of my family

#2 for me its the taboo aspect.

I'm the kind of person that as a child that if you told me not to do it, I was probably going to do it. Thank gosh as I got older it at least mellowed a little. I couldn't ever see myself doing it in the real world but within the confines of a game where, even if I'm totally into it, I know its not reality. Why do we drink before its legal? Because its exciting to do what we know were not supposed to. Why are so many kids vaping/smoking? Because they know they aren't supposed to. Why do people like incest games? Because we have been told its wrong and that were not supposed to.

 

[Adabelitoo]

Why do we drink before its legal? Because its exciting to do what we know were not supposed to.

Because people were drinking, I was there and they offered me, I tasted it and it was ok, not great, not bad, not because I wasn't supposed to do it, just because it was as ok as the glass of coke I drank before.

In my case, the same criteria applies for incest game, but incest games are my favortie genre while alcohol is just a nice thing to have around.

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

Because people were drinking, I was there and they offered me, I tasted it and it was ok, not great, not bad, not because I wasn't supposed to do it, just because it was as ok as the glass of coke I drank before.

See and I drank more before I turned 21 than I have ever since. It lost the thrill for me after I was legal

 

[Joshua Tree]

I'm the kind of person that as a child that if you told me not to do it, I was probably going to do it. Thank gosh as I got older it at least mellowed a little. I couldn't ever see myself doing it in the real world but within the confines of a game where, even if I'm totally into it, I know its not reality. Why do we drink before its legal? Because its exciting to do what we know were not supposed to. Why are so many kids vaping/smoking? Because they know they aren't supposed to. Why do people like incest games? Because we have been told its wrong and that were not supposed to.

Doubt you can compare drinking when not legal to do so, to a sexual fetish that involve other people, and at that family members though. There is no single definition or answer to why someone is drawn to a particular fetish.

Saying people do things because they not allowed to, is just a small part of it at all. Most people do things because they want to or at a younger age, do so because buckling to peer pressure within their clique (Whatever). Defying parents is just a part of growing up at some extent (be back at 10, school tomorrow... stumble in at one, smelling of booze..). I doubt you would done a "I'll show them" if got told not to bang a family member.

I doubt you will find any of the few, or rare that actually practice, or live in some form of incesteous relationship drawn to incest themed games, or other media. They already living it after all.

I don't really see any form of sexual relations as wrong or bad as long as all involved parties does consent. Sure there is laws against certain things. But hey, some parts of the world there is laws against gay's, and acting on that could get you killed. There is places where women have no rights and more less a slave for their husband. There is places in the world still where someone of color could risk injury or worse dating a white. There is bigger problems in the world than whatever fetish's people get an outlet from in games, movies, erotica, or whatever media (as long as no one get hurt in the process).

For those that kink shame etc. You ready to sacrifice and give up all your own fetish's to deny other people theirs?

 

[polywog]

 

[Evil Dr Porkchop]

would i have sex with my mother...no she's been dead too long ( yes that's disrespectful ) but even if she was still alive...absolutely not,respect your elders etc besides that's someone else's slam eg Dad's

Now cousins that's a different story

 

[215303j]

Incest is harmful to the society, because it jeopardizes the bond of the family, which eventually affects to the entire society as family is the basic unit of any country.

I disagree with other things you wrote (anne O'nymous, Joshua Tree, Adabelitoo etc. have already explained that) but I do kinda agree with this.

But to me, it is also what makes it such a powerful fantasy. By proposing something indecent to a direct family member, you are risking a lot more by proposing the same to some random woman you met in a bar. And because it is such a taboo, it may be that your family member is also fantasizing about you, but you'll never really know it. Games are a safe way to live the fantasy without potentially hurting someone.

On the other hand, there are plenty of other ways to jeopardize the bond of the family without incest. For example: divorce, absent fathers, drug use, abuse (non sexual), violence etc. etc. All of those things definately affect society, and are probably way more common than incest.

 

[Joshua Tree]

I disagree with other things you wrote (anne O'nymous, Joshua Tree, Adabelitoo etc. have already explained that) but I do kinda agree with this.

But to me, it is also what makes it such a powerful fantasy. By proposing something indecent to a direct family member, you are risking a lot more by proposing the same to some random woman you met in a bar. And because it is such a taboo, it may be that your family member is also fantasizing about you, but you'll never really know it. Games are a safe way to live the fantasy without potentially hurting someone.

On the other hand, there are plenty of other ways to jeopardize the bond of the family without incest. For example: divorce, absent fathers, drug use, abuse (non sexual), violence etc. etc. All of those things definately affect society, and are probably way more common than incest.

I think in cases where such actually happen when we exclude any "non consent", where grooming, coercion etc take place. It's not likely to be some sudden one sided declaration of feelings. I would imagine it's more evolution of bonds already there and then triggered by some event/happening or the other. Heck, even something as silly as booze could make you loose control and do stuff you normally wouldn't else. The small nudge that keep people going over the edge.

I doubt there is many "happy ever after", or a sexual encounter of such a nature would evolve into a proper relationship. The "oh shit" after thought and awkwardness could shatter bonds and make a wedge between the involved.

Most of these incest themed games around, just portray the protag as some depraved creeper. I doubt those that really into this fetish get much out of the standard "creeper protag prowl on mom in the shower", type of games. You would probably be more likely to get get your rocks off to erotica by the likes of "Kathy Andrews" and similar. Renders take back seat to story and characters any day imho. But that's just my opinion...

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

Doubt you can compare drinking when not legal to do so, to a sexual fetish that involve other people, and at that family members though. There is no single definition or answer to why someone is drawn to a particular fetish.

Saying people do things because they not allowed to, is just a small part of it at all. Most people do things because they want to or at a younger age, do so because buckling to peer pressure within their clique (Whatever). Defying parents is just a part of growing up at some extent (be back at 10, school tomorrow... stumble in at one, smelling of booze..). I doubt you would done a "I'll show them" if got told not to bang a family member.

I doubt you will find any of the few, or rare that actually practice, or live in some form of incesteous relationship drawn to incest themed games, or other media. They already living it after all.

I don't really see any form of sexual relations as wrong or bad as long as all involved parties does consent. Sure there is laws against certain things. But hey, some parts of the world there is laws against gay's, and acting on that could get you killed. There is places where women have no rights and more less a slave for their husband. There is places in the world still where someone of color could risk injury or worse dating a white. There is bigger problems in the world than whatever fetish's people get an outlet from in games, movies, erotica, or whatever media (as long as no one get hurt in the process).

For those that kink shame etc. You ready to sacrifice and give up all your own fetish's to deny other people theirs?

Ever been to Salt Lake City, Utah? The number of "good Mormon" girls who end up drinking, having sex before marriage, drugs, etc. etc. that I encountered there would probably surprise you. Not intended as a jab at any religion or slap against Mormon's, heck live your life the way you want. Most of that was due to the church, parents, etc. etc. telling them what not to do. Same thing as going to a Catholic School. The amount of sin I witnessed that happened in and around them was astronomical. Proven human nature is that you tell people they cant do something and they now have a desire to do it.

Drinking isn't that different. I spent 5 years in Western Europe where (in a lot of countries) drinking is customary at meal times or they have much looser laws concerning underage drinking. Drugs are not as frowned upon over there either, not quite legal but nowhere close to how they are in the United States. Nudity is also much less frowned upon over there, nude beaches, clothing optional swimming pools, hell they had softcore porn on the normal tv channels in the evening, etc. etc. You know what? They have far less problems then we have in the United States concerning alcohol, drugs, sexual issues.

It is proven human nature that you tell us not to do things that all of a sudden we now think it might be desirable to do so. It goes all the way down in infants/children. Have a baby crawling on the floor and they get near something you don't want them near. So you tell them NO and move them away. The kid looks at you to see if your watching and if you aren't there they go again with a smile on their little chubby face. Tell a child not to touch the stove, explain to them its hot and that it will burn them. Turn your back for a minute and you here a pain filled scream and turn to see a child with a red hand, crying his eyes out.....

Im sure there are more reasons to why we want to do what we know were not supposed but being told no is still a huge motivator.

Consent is important to any sexual relation. Even Bondage is all about the illusion of power and someone being in control of someone else. The reality is the sub has all the power because they have the ability to stop everything with a simple word/phrase. Unless the Dom is a psycho and that's a totally different issue. However all forms being ok as long as consent is given? What about kids/teens/vulnerable adults/drunk or high people who might consent? Nope I dislike all conclusive statements because there are always exceptions to every rule.

 

[rf96]

I blame Big Brother.

 

[Rando Civ]

I don't think it's weird. I think it's hot.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Ever been to Salt Lake City, Utah? The number of "good Mormon" girls who end up drinking, having sex before marriage, drugs, etc. etc. that I encountered there would probably surprise you. Not intended as a jab at any religion or slap against Mormon's, heck live your life the way you want. Most of that was due to the church, parents, etc. etc. telling them what not to do. Same thing as going to a Catholic School. The amount of sin I witnessed that happened in and around them was astronomical. Proven human nature is that you tell people they cant do something and they now have a desire to do it.

Drinking isn't that different. I spent 5 years in Western Europe where (in a lot of countries) drinking is customary at meal times or they have much looser laws concerning underage drinking. Drugs are not as frowned upon over there either, not quite legal but nowhere close to how they are in the United States. Nudity is also much less frowned upon over there, nude beaches, clothing optional swimming pools, hell they had softcore porn on the normal tv channels in the evening, etc. etc. You know what? They have far less problems then we have in the United States concerning alcohol, drugs, sexual issues.

This is just another level of defying/rebel. You will find such within any community/society, where people want to break out and experience the world themselves. There is a difference between have sex before marriage, drinking, and go have a romp with a family member though. I doubt some mormon dad tell their kids, you are not allowed to hump your siblings, and they do it to defy him. So imho, still stands, you don't engage in acts of incest because you are told you not allowed too. No more than someone would tell you are not allowed to love someone. Feelings isn't a switch you can turn on and off because someone says you are not allowed too.

Those you described, isn't the norm for their community. There will always be those that break out, or live on the fringe at risk become outcasts. You have that in religious communities over here as well.

Here in northern Europe we are quite liberal on the whole sex, nudity and such.

 

[Spillthebeans]

I'm far too desensitized to find it weird, it just bores me now. I do find it interesting though how there seems to be such a huge demand for what amounts to the same game in fucking renpy. In fact, the over abundance of incest renpy games is the primary reason I have the renpy/vn tag filtered. It makes for a whole lot less shovelware to sift through. Then again vn's were never really my thing.