Nobody thinks this is strange?

[Cndyrvr4lf]

There is a difference between have sex before marriage, drinking, and go have a romp with a family member though. I doubt some mormon dad tell their kids, you are not allowed to hump your siblings, and they do it to defy him. So imho, still stands, you don't engage in acts of incest because you are told you not allowed too.

Well then what do you think is the driving motivation to incest related relationships? I think its the fact that we are told by laws, society, etc. etc. that its forbidden. I don't know of any culture where its taught that incest is ok. Granted I admit I don't know of every society but I don't know of any off the top of my head. Maybe some 3rd+ world country, so called lost tribes in the jungles of South America/Africa but modern day countries that's a nope. Been a lot of places as well spent my entire youth and a good chunk of my adult life being flown all over the world courtesy of the US Gov. and no where that I ended up thought incest was ok.

 

[Adabelitoo]

Well then what do you think is the driving motivation to incest related relationships? I think its the fact that we are told by laws, society, etc. etc. that its forbidden. I don't know of any culture where its taught that incest is ok. Granted I admit I don't know of every society but I don't know of any off the top of my head. Maybe some 3rd+ world country, so called lost tribes in the jungles of South America/Africa but modern day countries that's a nope. Been a lot of places as well spent my entire youth and a good chunk of my adult life being flown all over the world courtesy of the US Gov. and no where that I ended up thought incest was ok.

I'm not sure if we are talking about games or real life anymore so I'm just gonna mention both briefly

For me, I think that if someone wants to have sex with a relative in real life is because:

1) The other person is hot/attractive enough to wake up that desire
and/or
2) There are love feelings towards that person

Not because we are told to not do it. The culture/church/society/etc that is forbindding you from doing it isn't something that motivates those to actually do it. Incest is something too huge to work that way. I think those things I mentioned are the stones on the road to make it there, not the motor to make it there.

Now, in games it's just a silly and fun fantasy. It's super fun and handy for both devs and player to have the hottest woman on Earth as your mom, making you breakfast every morning and giving you a good night every day. Probably the taboo factor does help but I woulnd't say it's the biggest part of it.

 

[Stompai]

This is just another level of defying/rebel. You will find such within any community/society, where people want to break out and experience the world themselves. There is a difference between have sex before marriage, drinking, and go have a romp with a family member though. I doubt some mormon dad tell their kids, you are not allowed to hump your siblings, and they do it to defy him. So imho, still stands, you don't engage in acts of incest because you are told you not allowed too. No more than someone would tell you are not allowed to love someone. Feelings isn't a switch you can turn on and off because someone says you are not allowed too.

Those you described, isn't the norm for their community. There will always be those that break out, or live on the fringe at risk become outcasts. You have that in religious communities over here as well.

Here in northern Europe we are quite liberal on the whole sex, nudity and such.

I think he used the "when your parents tell you to not do something" as an exemple.
He was mostly aiming for the "if it's forbidden, no matter by who, what or why, then human will want to do that forbidden thing"
It's in our nature, human are curious about "forbidden" things

Like a kid doing exactly what his parent tell him not to do.
Like Eve taking the apple
And many others.

 

[rf96]

Why, what did he do to your mom?

He put the incest virus in our minds.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Well then what do you think is the driving motivation to incest related relationships? I think its the fact that we are told by laws, society, etc. etc. that its forbidden. I don't know of any culture where its taught that incest is ok. Granted I admit I don't know of every society but I don't know of any off the top of my head. Maybe some 3rd+ world country, so called lost tribes in the jungles of South America/Africa but modern day countries that's a nope. Been a lot of places as well spent my entire youth and a good chunk of my adult life being flown all over the world courtesy of the US Gov. and no where that I ended up thought incest was ok.

There is no... driving motivation, imho. Some people have a fetish for it, but that doesn't necessary mean they act out on it and want to bang a family member. And those that actually involved in something like that, well I guess it's just a matter about give in to their feelings? If you ever been (really) in love with someone (not your family) at the verge of hurting inside. Those kind of feelings isn't easy to just ignore or shut off like a light switch. Just because society view something as not okay, a sin, and whatever. That never kept people from not do something. Not because of it was illegal, deemed a sin and so forth, but because that's who they are. You don't tell (at least in modern western society) people who are gay, transgender, etc. They not allowed to be such because its not right. Or people of mixed race, color etc not allowed to be together, because... bad.. Yet we don't need to go that far back in history where all of this was seen as abomination and a sin.

 

[Joshua Tree]

I think he used the "when your parents tell you to not do something" as an exemple.
He was mostly aiming for the "if it's forbidden, no matter by who, what or why, then human will want to do that forbidden thing"
It's in our nature, human are curious about "forbidden" things

Like a kid doing exactly what his parent tell him not to do.
Like Eve taking the apple
And many others.

When you grow up there usually rules imposed on you by your parents, society/community (church, school etc). But doubt anyone here got told or informed "you are not allowed to sleep with family members". That just a given right? Sure when I grew up I was curious of a lot of things, experimented with, and experienced things I both did enjoy and regret, but that is just part of growing up. Neither of this involved any depravity with family members though.

 

[Stompai]

When you grow up there usually rules imposed on you by your parents, society/community (church, school etc). But doubt anyone here got told or informed "you are not allowed to sleep with family members". That just a given right? Sure when I grew up I was curious of a lot of things, experimented with, and experienced things I both did enjoy and regret, but that is just part of growing up. Neither of this involved any depravity with family members though.

"Depravity" a pretty derogatory word to use on a porn forum...

As for the rest, I think you're taking this a bit too much in a "to the letter" kind of way.
Not everything need to be explained in details, or every rules to be given for a human, even a child, to know what is right or wrong. It's called education, and parents, as well as other institution you quoted, are responsible to educate and make sure the child is able to create a correct morality as he grow.

Take bestiality as an example, everybody know it's "not right" , but I've also never heard about it in school or from my parents either.
it's something you learn on your own.

And everybody grow up differently.

Specially when you reach teenage years and your hormones are all over the place.
Wouldn't be surprised if a boy, when doing laundry for the family, spent ten seconds too long on folding his mom's panty.
Doesn't mean he need to have his brain checked. Just that, unlike what a lot of people seems to believe, love and sex are two different things for humans, love is mostly emotional and thoughts driven. Sexual desire is hormones driven.

You can fuck someone you don't love, you can love someone you don't fuck, and reverse.
In the end it's mostly psychological, not in the meaning that it's a problem, but that everybody can have different world views.
As long as these world view doesn't harm other people I don't really care.

Man, I'm so tired, 10 am for me and I didn't sleep this night... Not even sure what I wrote mean anything, or if it's related to your message, or to the thread subject at all... going to sleep.

 

[Joshua Tree]

"Depravity" a pretty derogatory word to use on a porn forum...

As for the rest, I think you're taking this a bit too much in a "to the letter" kind of way.
Not everything need to be explained in details, or every rules to be given for a human, even a child, to know what is right or wrong. It's called education, and parents, as well as other institution you quoted, are responsible to educate and make sure the child is able to create a correct morality as he grow.

Take bestiality as an example, everybody know it's "not right" , but I've also never heard about it in school or from my parents either.
it's something you learn on your own.

And everybody grow up differently.

Specially when you reach teenage years and your hormones are all over the place.
Wouldn't be surprised if a boy, when doing laundry for the family, spent ten seconds too long on folding his mom's panty.
Doesn't mean he need to have his brain checked. Just that, unlike what a lot of people seems to believe, love and sex are two different things for humans, love is mostly emotional and thoughts driven. Sexual desire is hormones driven.

You can fuck someone you don't love, you can love someone you don't fuck, and reverse.
In the end it's mostly psychological, not in the meaning that it's a problem, but that everybody can have different world views.
As long as these world view doesn't harm other people I don't really care.

Well I thought "moral corruption; wickedness" that is kinda the definition of depravity was the view (some?) people seemed to have on this theme, so thought it was fitting. Was not to step on any toes.

Many years ago, was sitting on ts with a few people I did play some game with. Then suddenly one of them goes on about bestiality and saying something along the lines of; If the animals didn't like it they could just walk away right?. Like everything went silent after that, you could probably hear a needle drop, then "what is wrong with you?" and we started to tease the dude if he had some dead chickens under his bed or something. Beastiality is a whole other monster... But still it's a fetish for some, not something they necessary act out on, but get the jollies from viewing. Yet there is those that have such a life style.

Sure, you can have sex without love, and you can love someone without the driving factor being sex, but the need to connect. When it come to actual incest where consent is involved, I'm inclined to believe sex is not the driving factor though.

 

[Valoryn]

I think most people who like the incest genre sees such immersive games as roleplay towards MILFS of sorts... they themselves are not incestuous in nature. I do wonder if I was born from a mom so friggin hot, would I have incestuous inclinations toward her? I still don't have an answer.

 

[Dnds]

I don't think its really that strange, as some people have already said what you dig in games doesn't exactly need to match what you would like or even do in real life. What is really funny to me is that if we think about it, what changes these situations in all these games is just the text, take NTR for instance, you can literally change some text, and the situation now could be you are the guy fucking the girl and theres some dude watching you go. Or you can change it again and now they are sister and brother and the third person is their parent or something.

I think people are more of into the same thing than they realize.

 

[Carpe Stultus]

Oh look its another of these "i don't understand a fetish so i have to open a thread" threads.

People have different fetishes, just accept or ignore it. :shrug:

 

[Deleted member 1370694]

The thing is it's not YOUR mother/sister/daugther.

It's fiction about intimacy and taboo. I don't need the full program with blood-related, I care more about the intimacy, so step-something situation already works for me. But no matter what. It's FICTION. You wouldn't find it awesome to shoot people in real-life but you find it awesome in Call of Duty. So maybe think it that way.

 

[Deleted member 1370694]

I think most people who like the incest genre sees such immersive games as roleplay towards MILFS of sorts... they themselves are not incestuous in nature. I do wonder if I was born from a mom so friggin hot, would I have incestuous inclinations toward her? I still don't have an answer.

I don't think so. But if your mom would be your STEP-mom. Than who knows

 

[polywog]

Ever been to Salt Lake City, Utah? The number of "good Mormon" girls who end up drinking, having sex before marriage, drugs, etc. etc. that I encountered there would probably surprise you. Not intended as a jab at any religion or slap against Mormon's, heck live your life the way you want. Most of that was due to the church, parents, etc. etc. telling them what not to do. Same thing as going to a Catholic School. The amount of sin I witnessed that happened in and around them was astronomical. Proven human nature is that you tell people they cant do something and they now have a desire to do it.

Drinking isn't that different. I spent 5 years in Western Europe where (in a lot of countries) drinking is customary at meal times or they have much looser laws concerning underage drinking. Drugs are not as frowned upon over there either, not quite legal but nowhere close to how they are in the United States. Nudity is also much less frowned upon over there, nude beaches, clothing optional swimming pools, hell they had softcore porn on the normal tv channels in the evening, etc. etc. You know what? They have far less problems then we have in the United States concerning alcohol, drugs, sexual issues.

It is proven human nature that you tell us not to do things that all of a sudden we now think it might be desirable to do so. It goes all the way down in infants/children. Have a baby crawling on the floor and they get near something you don't want them near. So you tell them NO and move them away. The kid looks at you to see if your watching and if you aren't there they go again with a smile on their little chubby face. Tell a child not to touch the stove, explain to them its hot and that it will burn them. Turn your back for a minute and you here a pain filled scream and turn to see a child with a red hand, crying his eyes out.....

Im sure there are more reasons to why we want to do what we know were not supposed but being told no is still a huge motivator.

Consent is important to any sexual relation. Even Bondage is all about the illusion of power and someone being in control of someone else. The reality is the sub has all the power because they have the ability to stop everything with a simple word/phrase. Unless the Dom is a psycho and that's a totally different issue. However all forms being ok as long as consent is given? What about kids/teens/vulnerable adults/drunk or high people who might consent? Nope I dislike all conclusive statements because there are always exceptions to every rule.

no use going to church if you ain't got nothin to confess

 

[TiffanyMonroe]

Even though my mother is a spitting image of that model Bria Myles? Nope

It is the same appeal with loli, mind control, slavery, etc.
It is the feeling of power, of control that turns me on.
Yet eatch of these disgust me in real life.

Are you yet another person that has no idea what actually loli is and is yet again ignorantly conflating it with childporn? I would post examples to help you understand but I doubt you even give a shit since most people don't.
Or maybe you just hate little petite women and that's another whole can of worms.

 

[Deleted member 229118]

Even though my mother is a spitting image of that model Bria Myles? Nope

Are you yet another person that has no idea what actually loli is and is yet again ignorantly conflating it with childporn? I would post examples to help you understand but I doubt you even give a shit since most people don't.
Or maybe you just hate little petite women and that's another whole can of worms.

Part of me is curious about what you have to say and part of me want to avoid that can of worm like it is the back plague.
Go ahead and tell me what you think loli is.
Might be educational.

 

[TiffanyMonroe]

Part of me is curious about what you have to say and part of me want to avoid that can of worm like it is the back plague.
Go ahead and tell me what you think loli is.
Might be educational.

Yeah, no I'm ok with not banging my head against the wall. You unfortunately proved my point because if you really wanted to know the difference you would've Googled it by now.

 

[Deleted member 229118]

Yeah, no I'm ok with not banging my head against the wall. You unfortunately proved my point because if you really wanted to know the difference you would've Googled it by now.

Cope out.
I asked what you thought it was.
Not what wikipedia says.

Also google.
Ew.
Why use that piece of spyware?

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

When you grow up there usually rules imposed on you by your parents, society/community (church, school etc). But doubt anyone here got told or informed "you are not allowed to sleep with family members". That just a given right? Sure when I grew up I was curious of a lot of things, experimented with, and experienced things I both did enjoy and regret, but that is just part of growing up. Neither of this involved any depravity with family members though.

Somewhere, someone or something had to of told/informed us that incest was wrong/bad otherwise it wouldn't be a fetish. If I had grown up and no one had told me "random fetish" was bad than I would think it was ok. Look at the stages of our evolution as individuals as how we react without rules and imagine how we would be as adults without knowing what the rules are. Infants are all about them and nothing else matters. They don't care, they hit, they scream, they desire one thing and one thing only. The total satisfaction of any desire they have. Toddlers get a little better but that's only because we have started to put limits on them as far as what we will tolerate as behavior. They steal, they hit, they throw tantrums, they get into everything, etc. etc. Its only through some form of discipline and being told or shown that their actions/behavior is unacceptable. I could go on for every phase of childhood. We aren't born knowing right or wrong, somewhere down the line of growing up we have to be told/shown etc. etc. that "random action/behavior" is wrong or we never learn. We would grow from spoiled rotten lil brats into spoiled rotten grown adults who think the world owes us everything for nothing.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Somewhere, someone or something had to of told/informed us that incest was wrong/bad otherwise it wouldn't be a fetish. If I had grown up and no one had told me "random fetish" was bad than I would think it was ok. Look at the stages of our evolution as individuals as how we react without rules and imagine how we would be as adults without knowing what the rules are. Infants are all about them and nothing else matters. They don't care, they hit, they scream, they desire one thing and one thing only. The total satisfaction of any desire they have. Toddlers get a little better but that's only because we have started to put limits on them as far as what we will tolerate as behavior. They steal, they hit, they throw tantrums, they get into everything, etc. etc. Its only through some form of discipline and being told or shown that their actions/behavior is unacceptable. I could go on for every phase of childhood. We aren't born knowing right or wrong, somewhere down the line of growing up we have to be told/shown etc. etc. that "random action/behavior" is wrong or we never learn. We would grow from spoiled rotten lil brats into spoiled rotten grown adults who think the world owes us everything for nothing.

I think it more or less becomes a "unspoken" rule, and you won't know before get caught pants down doing something you shouldn't be doing. Like siblings might be doing some show and tell as kids, get discovered and get spanked for it, but prior wouldn't get told such shouldn't happen. There is a far stretch between kids exploring at such an age, and lets say teens . Because at that stage you should know, and the consequences. But at that stage in life it's also where you go through a lot of changes both physically and emotionally.

So while in a western society, one thing is so and so, but in some other it might be different. As I commented on before, there is places where kids get married off to uncles, cousins get set up etc. Because, tradition, and just how it's done. Practices frown upon by standards of others.

So, when did someone seat themselves down with you and gave you the talk about not desire your own family and what incest is? Or anyone else here? What is the earliest memory you have about what incest is? I probably didn't get the meaning of it before going through the story about Oedipus while in school. At younger age it was just crude remarks and insults along the line of "motherfucker" and things like that with not really knowing the real meaning behind it. It was just things "kids" picked up and thought was cool to say.