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Yea i get that its not so much that i wouldn't enjoy making it if i could or anything, just that i probably couldn't play a game i make because all the suspense would be gone idk how to explain it but yee lol.
I can understand that. Then again, I play through NTR for every version to get 1st hand experience of how the gameplay is shaping up and how to balance it best, and what keeps me going isn't the suspence byt the hot girls and what they do. I get that it's not the same play a scene you know what's going to happen next in, but when you've got some sexy ladies like we do, it's fun just to see them do the nasty stuff all the same.
 

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Nope, not forgotten, just gone. For now. I mentioned him in the post directly above yours (4th reply from the bottom), he's got more stuff to come sooner than Damon or Asana, but since he's already got 2 updates worth of content while Brad, Roy and the 3 girls each have 1 or less (Main Story could also use more content), he's not quite as pressing to see to right now. Since that's the case, and I can forsee a time in the nearer future (not too soon though) when some versions will benefit from his more advanced progressed scenes and sexy helping to round out the fun while the earlier scenes of other arcs are being set up (a lot like how Asana's stuff has helped move the Sal arc along recently). That's when he'll catch up to Damon and Asana, and then after that we'll see which of them gets back on the whores (sorry Noe) first when the rest of the characters have had a bump.



No problem, if that's how you prefer to play things. However, if you check the post above there is also a part whe I point out the game is wrongly missing the ntr for some reason, as it is there and will be too. However, if you're only interested in ntr sex scenes, then by all means keep waiting/ignoring for a while yet as it'll be a while before we can get those in given we've just reached pur pause on Asana. I'll leave it to you to decide for yourself.




Well, you're not wrong that the game is mostly more cheating than ntr (I've explained my faux pas and learning experience with the title before), there is some ntr content to the game, so it probably should have the tag. I would expect that by the end of the game, should I get to do all I would like for it, there'll be a sizeable enough amount of it too in some respects. There likely will be some stuff to do with Brad, and as of this version we've openned the path where Noe's new woman lover can fuck somebody else despite her protest (scenes coming in the future when people aren't pissed over Asana being back again).

As I just said to defd, I wouldn't get too excited about it all coming out of the floodgates in the immediate future but it's not like it won't be there or that it's not something to get excited for in general / be forewarned about. I think the tag is prudent to add, if not now then someday.






You're both welcome. Glad to have been of some clarity.




Well thank you, cheers for the compliment, happy to hear you enjoyed it.

First things first though... When you say "hot Asana Noemi sex", I assume you mean the scene in her bed? If so, that comes after the Advanced Class scene, or at least it should, so let me know if that's what you mean and if it came first because that'd be a bug. A very strange bug. That scene should only play after you choose then Asana Love path over the Sex class path.


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Anyways, to your main question/point, yes, it's only a choice of keeping things focused on Asana and Noe's relationship, or opening things up to a swinging/sharing sex class path in the story. There are a few reasons for this, both as part of the story and for developemental purposes. As fun an idea as it is to include a Damon option, if we only had the time, Asana already has 3 paths now and we're behind on content across the board. The complexity of adding another subpath and the versions it would take to do it to some satisfaction just isn't worth it where we are now, especially since if you add Damon, people will want eck too, and even Sal likely. It's too much. Instead we've got 1 plan for a good, properly serviced Sex Class path for those that are into more swinger/sharing Open Mindedness, since we pulled the full arc that was to focus on that out of the game already. At least it'll get something.

The other reason it's clearly labelled that Brad is to be involved is because Asana herself pushes it, since she knows what the class entails. She's too nice a person to let Noe do the class and not have Brad at least know about it, since it involves more than what she and Noe are doing alone (even that she wants Noe to tell him about). To her, she sees her love with Noe as helping her friend find new aspects and happinesses within herself, something she doesn't want to squash prematurely by forcing her to confront Brad with it before it's time, but she maintains he should be informed when it's possible. If she thought it was just a fling of new sex experiences at the expense of Brad, then Asana would be a lot less happy to do it.

She also doesn't know about Damon or Beck and what Noe is up to with them (if she has choosen to do stuff). If Asana did, she'd very likely have a different opinion of Noe and all that is going on. I'll be very clear here and say it's not the fact that Noe has multiple partners, she's cool with that as long as everyone is in the know, but the why and the how of having them and Brad not knowing a thing would insult her (doubly so for hate-fucking Beck over dumb bets). That's not open and honesty, or loving behavour. She's not a willing party to that. That's why since it's highly likely Noe will end up with another guy during the class sessions, Brad's got to be there or Asana's not letting her do it. Also, I'm not even going to get into the aside that Asana, seeing Brad as a sweet and atrractive man, would also like to get to fuck him some too, but that's also real.



So yeah, you can kick Brad out of bed in his own arc early on, but that choice doesn't perclude the fact that Noe (by which I mean the player through choice) might want to let him back in (or begrubdingly do so in a case like this) if she changes her mind later on or it's push on her by others. She does still have something with Brad and they are moving towards marriage (for now) after all. You're free to not want Brad anywhere near Noe's business (and I don't mean Little Toscana) but if that's the case then the sex class just isn't for you at this point I'm sorry to say. I went to a lot of effort to clearly signpost that Brad would be involved so that people wouldn't fall into that situation without knowing that was what was coming, that's about the best I can do for now for the various reasons I've just semi-ranted about.

I hope this goes some way to explaining the whys of the choice. It'd sure be nice to be able to do limitless possiblities of parterns, but since it isn't, we hope it's clear why this is the way we plan on doing it.
Wow awesome explanation and you really cleared up the reason for the paths to choose. Sorry, you were probably right that Noemi/asana sex in her bed scene came after the yoga choices (I was pretty stoned) when I was playing, so I may have missed the sal Asana scene then too.
 
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No problem, if that's how you prefer to play things. However, if you check the post above there is also a part whe I point out the game is wrongly missing the ntr for some reason, as it is there and will be too. However, if you're only interested in ntr sex scenes, then by all means keep waiting/ignoring for a while yet as it'll be a while before we can get those in given we've just reached pur pause on Asana. I'll leave it to you to decide for yourself.
No it is not only for missing the NTR tag....
there are also a lot of other missing tags that was there the last time I visit this thread
and your series is called NTR origins ... so I was surprised by this
NTR ORIGINS WITH NO NTR (another misleading advertisement?) :unsure:
also after reading the change logs i see that there are only scene with Asana that is not a primary character... in the OP the Artwork of the game has 4 girls and no one of them is Asana...

Now the tags are totally different... only
Female Protagonist (y) (my number one tag)... but Noemi seems to be aone of the females. she does not look as the MC of the story.)
but i do not like too much the others
specially lesbian
I like lesbian only if there are FF/MM scenes or at least one male...

I think there are no other males that have sex with Noemi... so the game it is no longer what I thought due to the misleading tags that was there before

I really do not understand why you are writing a story for lesbian and you want to attract NTR lovers:unsure: this is a non sense due to the fact that NTR games are not good for the majority of people.

I suggest you to use Lesbian Origins as title of the series instead ntr

PS: there is ALSO a BIG MISSING TAG... it is = "text-based" due to the AMMOUNT in all scenes that are better described in the million words of the text that in the few renders
 
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Can someone please upload a full save so I can have the last few scenes in the gallery without out having to start a new endless file just to see only a few scenes
 

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No it is not only for missing the NTR tag....
there are also a lot of other missing tags that was there the last time I visit this thread
and your series is called NTR origins ... so I was surprised by this
NTR ORIGINS WITH NO NTR (another misleading advertisement?) :unsure:
also after reading the change logs i see that there are only scene with Asana that is not a primary character... in the OP the Artwork of the game has 4 girls and no one of them is Asana...

Now the tags are totally different... only
Female Protagonist (y) (my number one tag)... but Noemi seems to be aone of the females. she does not look as the MC of the story.)
but i do not like too much the others
specially lesbian
I like lesbian only if there are FF/MM scenes or at least one male...

I think there are no other males that have sex with Noemi... so the game it is no longer what I thought due to the misleading tags that was there before

I really do not understand why you are writing a story for lesbian and you want to attract NTR lovers:unsure: this is a non sense due to the fact that NTR games are not good for the majority of people.

I suggest you to use Lesbian Origins as title of the series instead ntr

PS: there is ALSO a BIG MISSING TAG... it is = "text-based" due to the AMMOUNT in all scenes that are better described in the million words of the text that in the few renders

Alright man, whatever you say. I was merely pointing out that there is an issue with the tags and to help save you some bother if you were only looking for a certain type of content that's not fully there yet but will be, pointing out it might be better for you if you waited to play it until it's much more developed. Not helpful enough for it? Ok. That's too bad. I certainly wasn't going you any aggression but it really does sound like you've got some for me for some reason.

Anyway. It's clear you've got a wrong impression of the game and it seems you didn't read the very thing I pointed out to you. I don't think there's much point in making this a long convo then since you already seem to want to be out the door, so by all means, but I will point out a few things here just for the record, lest others get the wrong impression as well. We can leave it at that then.


Some Clarifications:

- Yes, it's missing the ntr tag, and other tags too. We agree. There's a few things that should indeed be there. I don't control that however and it has been requested (and I support the resquest) to update the tags and the OP art to better reflect the game content.

- The prequel Mini-VNs are called "NTR Origins" because they are the origin stories of the main and secondary characters of the NTR series, NTR being Noemi's Toscana Rebirth. Yes, it's is also a play on the fetish name for ntr content, which is part of the game. Is it the entireity of the game? No. I've explained this in detail already, feel free to find and read that if at all interested, but the long and the short of it is that it's a mistake on my part yes. Much of the game is more "cheating" than "ntr", but as I said "ntr" is also a significant part of it, it's just not well developed enough yet. However, you say yourself that Female Protagist is your favourite tag, so this seems a little like a moot point anyway.

- You use the word "misleading" more than once, as if to say I'm purposefully being malicious, which is far from the truth. Again I point out part of what you are giving out about comes from a personal mistake of my own which is not maliciousness, and I own up to it, and much of the rest if not all is due to things out of my control like the tags and art. I'd be much appreciated if you'd be considerate of that in your choice words, please.

- Asana is not a main character, she is a love interest. She has a character arc of her own, and it's one of 9 arcs + Main Story. She's actually the 3rd one we've had a chance to develope, and in the others Noe fucks guys. Noemi is the only, and very clearly, the main character. The other girls are secondary. Don't let the OP art fool you, especially because I pointed you directly to a post from just yesterday pointing out it doesn't represent the game well.

- Not a fan of Lesbian content? Fair enough, to each their own. The most recent content updates probably won't be much to your liking then, but then again, not everything will be to everyone. The game is only about 1/9th (maybe 1.5/9ths) lesbian anyway, so there's much more to it than that, it's just lately that's been where teh focus is because that's where the majority of the weaknessed of the game at this time could be addressed at once. Why it's in the game at all? It's there because we're making a game with a lot of stuff in it and we wanted it there, that's the simple answer. Side Note: Lesbian and ntr may not be a popular comination, but it's far from mutually exclusive, as our last update showed. I don't see teh problem here really.


Alrighty, those are some of the things that seemed to need correcting and clarifying. Now that's that's covered we can amicably shake hands and go on with our lives so. By all means stick around and give Noe another play when there's much more of what you're looking for in it, we do try and be pretty clear on what content is coming when so you'll be able to judge for yourself when that'll likely be. If not, oh well, we'll go on regardless and make what we're planning to make. Should be fun all the same.

All the best to you so. Hope it's been of help this time.
 

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Understood.
No NTR scenes in NTR origins series :eek: (I got a headache)
Finally the tags are corrected!
Maybe Noemi will cheat on Asana (If Asana is the girlfriend of the MC)
or Noemi Husband will cheat on the MC ... in these 2 cases you can ask for NTR tag again
I'm not sure because... i do not know if Husband cheating should be considered NTR on F95...

I think in Lida's Adventures there is Dima (Lida's husband that cheat on her with Selina) so I think is possible that NTR should be a TAG also for female protagonist games even if she fucks all the men dogs and horses that are in the game.:LOL:
But I think when a wife has sex with another male or female... it should be considered NTR even if the MC is the wife...
because in the real world it is NTR when wife have sex by cheating or she is shared by her husband with others humans or not humans... even just expose the wife and husband get pleasure of this fetish is also in the NTR scenario
 
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Understood.
No NTR scenes in NTR origins series :eek: (I got a headache)
Finally the tags are corrected!
Maybe Noemi will cheat on Asana (If Asana is the girlfriend of the MC)
or Noemi Husband will cheat on the MC ... in these 2 cases you can ask for NTR tag again
I'm not sure because... i do not know if Husband cheating should be considered NTR on F95...

I think in Lida's Adventures there is Dima (Lida's husband that cheat on her with Selina) so I think is possible that NTR should be a TAG also for female protagonist games even if she fucks all the men dogs and horses that are in the game.:LOL:
But I think when a wife has sex with another male or female... it should be considered NTR even if the MC is the wife... because in the real world it is NTR

Good. Glad we made it to the same page then.

If you count Sal stealing away Noe's girls, then there is an ntr scene in the Mini-VN series. Otherwise, it is as the name equally suggests, the origins of the characters. Origins and backstory tends to be important to ntr content after all, unless it aim is for ti to be rushed sloppiness like how porn videos just slap "Step Sister" on any title and claim it's well planned incest and not just 2 people with so little narative they could be called anything. Anyways, that's a whole other aside.

Asana's already cheating on Noemi (given Noe's choices) and her fiance cleary has propects and desires of his own to follow, plus Frankie's practically blackmailing Noe into letting her fuck her other boyfriend on the go and we're only getting started. So yeah, like I said, there is ntr to be had in a number of ways, we just need to keep on going until we can cover more and more of it.

I agree with you on the last part. Don't see why a husband cheating on his wife wouldn't be ntr if the player is playing the wife. It fits the definition. I get that a lot of people wouldn't like it to be considered that way, but that doesn't mean it isn't. I don't think female protagonist and ntr are mutually exclusive either (especially since we're doing it in part), it's just that a lot of what gets made in this genre is more cheating than ntr.


Side Note: You mention Lida's Adventure. The dev of that game seems to be a fan of ours, he likes a number of our posts from time to time. Seems like a nice enough fellow. However, our games arn't quite in the same style or vein, since I'm not one for much of the rapey premisses (no offense to him) that are prevolent in these Female PC games. That's why it takes abit more time to build up stuff on on end, but hey, for those like me it seems to be a niche that people are looking for and liking, at least a little.
 

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Side Note: You mention Lida's Adventure. The dev of that game seems to be a fan of ours
I mentioned onle as example to explain well
Lida's is a old style game that fortunatelly now can be played as Renpy version... and allow the player to be more relaxed and without grind...
I really hate the game with too much grind
Unfortunately... Unity engine is not good because do not allow to use MOD and Cheat

I really suggest you to add a built-in walkthrough to reduce the grind caused by the large annount of text and the repetitive mechanism compared to the sex content that comes with very fast scenes with no more than 2 or 3 renders... this sucks a lot.
 
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I mentioned onle as example to explain well
Lida's is a old style game that fortunatelly now can be played as Renpy version... and allow the player to be more relaxed and without grind...
I really hate the game with too much grind
Unfortunately... Unity engine is not good because do not allow to use MOD and Cheat

I really suggest you to add a built-in walkthrough to reduce the grind caused by the large annount of text and the repetitive mechanism compared to the sex content that comes with very fast scenes with no more than 2 or 3 renders... this sucks a lot.

It's fine, I only point out the Lida thing as I happen to know the dev knows of us, and though are games seem somewhat similar on the face of them and so we have been compared a few times before, there is a distinct difference what our games are trying to achieve and different appeal points to. They do of course have some things in common as well, just not as much as people may think. It's not really anything more than that I mean.


Yeah, with gameplay and attempts to invovate, there is often teething issues and grind can get in there too. We make efforts to keep the gameplay intesting and not too grindy or difficult, but we have a ways to go with it it's true. The game will have to have the time spread within taken in a lot by the end, but for now we're more concerned with people being able to have the room to unlock and explore, we'll sort of more of that kind of issue as we round out the gameplay content and progression.


Oh would that it were we had more art to add to scenes per version, but sadly we don't as of now. That is our most severe limiting factor, yes. With more art we could have more scenes in total, more gameplay outcomes sooner, and yes, less text-per-image ratio too, but alas I work with what I've got. We're not without our problems we know, but we make the most of it. For now we'll just have to add more sex in general and if we find the ability too we can go back and extend the image counts in older scenes, should it be worth doing. That way there's more to enjoy and you get more scenes and sex for the same (or less) amount of time playing the gameplay sections.
 

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Understood.
No NTR scenes in NTR origins series :eek: (I got a headache)
Finally the tags are corrected!
Maybe Noemi will cheat on Asana (If Asana is the girlfriend of the MC)
or Noemi Husband will cheat on the MC ... in these 2 cases you can ask for NTR tag again
I'm not sure because... i do not know if Husband cheating should be considered NTR on F95...

I think in Lida's Adventures there is Dima (Lida's husband that cheat on her with Selina) so I think is possible that NTR should be a TAG also for female protagonist games even if she fucks all the men dogs and horses that are in the game.:LOL:
But I think when a wife has sex with another male or female... it should be considered NTR even if the MC is the wife...
because in the real world it is NTR when wife have sex by cheating or she is shared by her husband with others humans or not humans... even just expose the wife and husband get pleasure of this fetish is also in the NTR scenario
I mentioned onle as example to explain well
Lida's is a old style game that fortunatelly now can be played as Renpy version... and allow the player to be more relaxed and without grind...
I really hate the game with too much grind
Unfortunately... Unity engine is not good because do not allow to use MOD and Cheat

I really suggest you to add a built-in walkthrough to reduce the grind caused by the large annount of text and the repetitive mechanism compared to the sex content that comes with very fast scenes with no more than 2 or 3 renders... this sucks a lot.
There is essentially a builtin walkthrough which tells you how many scenes there are on each path and how you can get the next one. And the game does have NTR, so I don't know what you're talking about.
 
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I really hate Unity. It never works.

Now I can't even start this game.

Noemis_Toscana_Rebirth [version: Unity 2017.2.0f3 (46dda1414e51)]

UnityPlayer.dll caused an Access Violation (0xc0000005)
in module UnityPlayer.dll at 0023:516b449b.

Error occurred at 2021-05-18_222310.
H:\Noemis_Toscana_Rebirth_v0_15_Windows\Noemis_Toscana_Rebirth_v0_15_Win.exe, run by Administrator.
25% memory in use.
2048 MB physical memory [2048 MB free].
0 MB paging file [0 MB free].
2048 MB user address space [1747 MB free].
Read from location 0000000e caused an access violation.

Context:
EDI: 0x0000000e ESI: 0x00005853 EAX: 0x00000000
EBX: 0x00000008 ECX: 0x517db9d8 EDX: 0x00000000
EIP: 0x516b449b EBP: 0x008fef00 SegCs: 0x00000023
EFlags: 0x00010246 ESP: 0x008feeec SegSs: 0x0000002b

Bytes at CS:EIP:
0f b7 37 53 56 83 c7 02 e8 95 2d 01 00 59 59 85
 

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- Yes, it's missing the ntr tag, and other tags too. We agree. There's a few things that should indeed be there. I don't control that however and it has been requested (and I support the resquest) to update the tags and the OP art to better reflect the game content.
You can message the mods to gain ownership over the OP.
 

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I have no fucking idea how this game is supposed to work. Even with the "infinite" days it is just endless gridning with repeating scenes 1 or 2, no sex whatsoever and no new plot points.

Even walkthrough instead of "go there - choose that" is a bunch of multipliers and point counter. I do not want to play economics in the porn game.
Facts!!! I'm trying to beat my meat, not learn a whole economics mechanics
 

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Can anyone share a full save or a way to unlock the gallery please? I don't usually ask for it but really don't want to go through all that grind just to see what's new. Before anyone comes up and says play it yourself, yeah I'll do it again eventually but for now I'll make do with saves and gallery.
 

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Def appreciate your commitment to each route, I just think most of us really were looking forward to some male content. Sal’s story I think will be the most interesting and exciting by far, really hope we get to see it develop soon!
 

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Can someone please upload a full save so I can have the last few scenes in the gallery without out having to start a new endless file just to see only a few scenes
Can anyone share a full save or a way to unlock the gallery please? I don't usually ask for it but really don't want to go through all that grind just to see what's new. Before anyone comes up and says play it yourself, yeah I'll do it again eventually but for now I'll make do with saves and gallery.
Here's a full save, all scenes should be unlocked
 

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Even though i'm also not into the Asana path (even skipped last 2 updates) , I really enjoyed playing this last one, since Sal's development was pretty good. Cant wait to see where it goes.

Meanwhile, since dev is reading the thread, can we get a gallery for the dayli outcomes? Some renders for Noemi doing "Floor Work" or "Entretain" are pretty hot and i wanna make sure im not missing any of those.
 
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