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JMan9200

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Holy shit just how long is this VN? This is great, writing's rather consistent (although there was one occasion where dev's own writing style bled over across characters. As in, character X using some really niche saying that character Y used in a earlier chapter.)

Yeah, haha, I've noticed that a few times too. I think in a general sense there's all the aspects where you can tell the Dev had to try and make most of the dialogue fit most of the paths with only minimal changes. So that's definitely a factor to this too. Still a great game though with consistent writing and development.
 
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It's nice to see the thread lively again. It makes me dream about the sequel: Then & Now: A Tale of the Beginning. In this second part, we'll see Jack's adventures as he makes trips around the cities to get diapers for his newborn children. :KEK:
You don't think Carol and Naomi will insist on re-purposing his ratty old shirts? :sneaky:
 

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If I were in the shoes of the MC in N&T story? Honestly, why choose?. I'd pick both...
Ah, but there's only one "main" LI, right? That's really what I'm talking about. Sure, play Pokemon with the LIs. But if one's going to be on top, who's it going to be (yeah, I'm ignoring that you can play through multiple endings)?

If you're going to pick one of the girls (i.e., < 25 years old), Carol's the only one that makes sense for the story--as you said upthread, this is the story of MC and Carol. For MC to pick (e.g.) Naomi or Sydney over Carol, much as you might like either of them, just doesn't fit.

But MC deciding that, after all this time without Lori, he really does need a partner who's his equal, IMO does fit the story. Yes, he'd be reversing course on that issue; he's been pretty set on not getting with anyone else since before he even met Carol. But he's had some time to see how that's gone, and maybe he agrees that "it is not good for the man to be alone." And he has women his age who are single, whom he really likes, and who are really into him. He doesn't have to get back in the dating world to meet someone. So given all that, picking one of the adults, even over Carol, could make sense. Carol knows and loves them both, and she'd even considered trying to set MC up with each of them.

And considering all that, as MC who's picking one "main" LI, Julie or Alice? I think I favor Julie, but I don't think he'd go wrong either way.
 

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Ah, but there's only one "main" LI, right? That's really what I'm talking about. Sure, play Pokemon with the LIs. But if one's going to be on top, who's it going to be (yeah, I'm ignoring that you can play through multiple endings)?

If you're going to pick one of the girls (i.e., < 25 years old), Carol's the only one that makes sense for the story--as you said upthread, this is the story of MC and Carol. For MC to pick (e.g.) Naomi or Sydney over Carol, much as you might like either of them, just doesn't fit.

But MC deciding that, after all this time without Lori, he really does need a partner who's his equal, IMO does fit the story. Yes, he'd be reversing course on that issue; he's been pretty set on not getting with anyone else since before he even met Carol. But he's had some time to see how that's gone, and maybe he agrees that "it is not good for the man to be alone." And he has women his age who are single, whom he really likes, and who are really into him. He doesn't have to get back in the dating world to meet someone. So given all that, picking one of the adults, even over Carol, could make sense. Carol knows and loves them both, and she'd even considered trying to set MC up with each of them.

And considering all that, as MC who's picking one "main" LI, Julie or Alice? I think I favor Julie, but I don't think he'd go wrong either way.
Honestly, if this is about picking the main LI that stands out over the rest of the harem, I'd never pick any of the two tbh (except for the sake of completness, ofc :p).

Guided by the head, I'd take Carol. Guided by the heart, id go Sydney. Not sure I completely understand that "need for an equal age partner so she can be considered his equal" thing.
 

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Well I finally beat the game and made sure to go through the other ending variations after unlocking them all as well. I also had it set in my final save where I could get four of the "main" endings based on slight point changes of the last few choices just to see if that changed much.

All in all, I have to commend the dev on the scope of the game and attempts to really flesh out the decisions, choices, and dialogue where possible. I can see what people mean when they talk about some of the minor variations in dialogue depending on things that happen in the story. It's also clearly one of the longer AVNs out there and certainly one of the fewer finished AVNs that was clearly given quite a bit of focus, effort, and love on the part of the dev. Not to mention that it seems like they go out of their way for some very consistent releases every month on their current game and always add new content when they do on their games in general. I took a look at their Patreon too and was shocked at how low the subscriber count is when compared to some of these other game devs out there with thousands of followers that only release an update or two a year max, and sometimes with little to show for it, whereas this dev is doing monthly updates and again apparently with a good amount of content each time. You really can't ask for more. It's clear they're passionate and dedicated.

Now & Then is definitely a game I'll remember and an experience I've enjoyed overall. It's not without its flaws and you could tell this is the dev's first big game they worked on, but it has a lot of heart. No question there.

As I suspected it might be, the points and "Main Lover" determination and distribution were, to me, an unnecessary and overly complicated system to hit right. Mostly because the actual normal good vs main girl endings don't deviate all that much from each other for each girl since from what I could tell, most of the "normal" endings could easily turn into "main" endings with just more time and development with the MC in their epilogue future. It's almost implied that this is actually what will happen for everyone anyway. Not only that, but none of the "main lover" endings themselves preclude one another from happening for all the girls in any major way either. They could all actually coexist with a good 95-100% overlap when you break it down by what happens in each main ending and this is how I'm choosing to view my personal ending headcanon of the N&T universe. It's also the one version that actually makes the most narrative sense for the story to me and culminates in the most satisfying character arc for every love interest. They feel a little incomplete otherwise. Sure there's some minor nuances in the main endings, but nothing that looks like it prevents one another from happening in any significant way.

Plus, based on all the choices you make, you can actually get almost every main scene available with all of them, keep Carol and Naomi tied in hearts and now the way you've interacted with them all in the pre-finale world doesn't actually change in the MC's development with them. All the dialogues and promises with each of them are there. The only main thing the game makes you choose between is the very last decision, which was undoubtedly a Director's Cut addon for certain characters at the time, but even that you can view both of those scenes as something that don't necessarily need to take place that exact night. Why can't they both take place one night apart? It doesn't change anything from the narrative if they do and based on the dialogue for each scene you would absolutely expect them to happen very soon for both characters anyway.

I get why the dev went with this direction though, for replayability, minor ending variation purposes, and game mechanic purposes. A more simplified system to unlock everything as one big true ending probably could have been something like get 20 hearts for Carol and Naomi to get their "true endings" vs getting under 20 hearts and only getting their "normal ending" or something like that with varying heart levels for each girl (15 for Alice and Sydney maybe, 10 for Hana, 5 for Julie, etc.). It's almost like this anyway because as long as you hit certain minimum heart thresholds, you're guaranteed a normal ending for each girl even if you blow them off for any other extra scenes and dialogue, and it doesn't change anything. We're basically halfway there lol. But I understand that a system like that would change the amount of times one might replay it if they were so inclined since they may have less reason to. Granted, I'm grateful for the unlock all and easy saving features because I do not have time to do 5 more run throughs of this right now haha.

Anyway, kudos to the dev and I'll be checking out TID when the harem ending is released and maybe Toxicity even earlier than that since it seems more like N&T in themes/setting. Not enough of these apocalyptic style AVNs that could have harem endings, are complete, and have a good amount of depth to them with a passionate dev behind the wheel! That's for sure.
 

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They at least look like different timelines. There's no hint of a zombie (sorry, 'infected') apocalypse in Interim.
I don't remember where (here, TID discussion thread, Discord, etc.) the dev said it, but the 3 games are in the same "universe" but maybe not the same timeline. The bra shop that they go to in N&T, is the bra shop Anita (I think that was her name) works at.
 

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The bra shop that they go to in N&T, is the bra shop Anita (I think that was her name) works at.
It is Anita, and it's Burgundy Petals. But none of the MCs are the same, none of the LIs are the same, and none of the relevant events are the same. I'm taking Burgundy Petals as an example of the dev just reusing an asset he already had. You could just as well say we see Marisa's R8 in TOXICity (we walk past a blue R8 in the latest update).

I'd think, really, the Interim by definition isn't the same "universe" as N&T or TOXICity (which may or may not be the same universe)--The Interim is a quasi-afterlife after the literal end of the world. Buildings, streets, people, etc. are moving around, apparently at random. Things appear and disappear as, when, and where MC needs them to. I don't think there's any reasonable sense in which TID can be considered the "same universe" as N&T or TOXICity, even if they have some locations in common.

N&T and TOXICity are both set in, more or less, the modern southeastern US, so in a sense they are not only in the same universe, but the same (or similar) time and place. But if they're different timelines (as they are), and no significant characters overlap (this isn't even OiaL/Eternum, where Stabby Mike shows up in the opening narration of the latter), I'm not sure how meaningful that is.
 
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Author: "Readability? What's that? Can I eat it?"

I can't imagine reading all that text in that trash font that is set by default.
 

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Author: "Readability? What's that? Can I eat it?"

I can't imagine reading all that text in that trash font that is set by default.
You can simply press Shift+A and select the Deja Vu font from there. That's what I did since I wasn't a fan of that font either. It started giving me a headache after some time.
 

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You can simply press Shift+A and select the Deja Vu font from there. That's what I did since I wasn't a fan of that font either. It started giving me a headache after some time.
I know, I did do that and reduced font scaling a little bit so that the text won't overflow. I was just mentioning how bad it is, I don't get why some authors do this, this is a VN, you're supposed to read a lot, don't make it harder for me to do so. These overly stylistic fonts are only okay when used sparingly imo.
 
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I know, I did do that and reduced font scaling a little bit so that the text won't overflow. I was just mentioning how bad it is, I don't get why some authors do this, this is a VN, you're supposed to read a lot, don't make it harder for me to do so. These overly stylistic fonts are only okay when used sparingly imo.
I totally get it, I feel the same way actually. Easy readability is really important to me. I don't want to have to squint my eyes just to read what's on the page and then suffer from a headache afterward. I've ended up changing the font in more than half of the visual novels I've played.
 

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Depends on the device you are using to read. While I have trouble with some fonts, I had no issues. I could make it bigger on my screen, and it was fine to read. If you are on a tablet or android device, I can see having issues.
 

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Interesting how lighting is an absolute mess in so many of the renders. Characters' hair changing its color left and right, skin and body parts glowing by themselves etc. :LOL:
 

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Interesting how lighting is an absolute mess in so many of the renders. Characters' hair changing its color left and right, skin and body parts glowing by themselves etc. :LOL:
N&T was the first full fledged game of Kinderfeld as far as I'm aware of. While the writing and the atmosphere are awesome, the visuals were still a bit "rough", at least compared with his more recent works. Even if the Directors Cut fixed some of the most glaring low quality renders, this game was developed quite some time ago, and it starts to show now. (Edit... damn! just checked it and the first release of N&T was five and a half years ago... time flies!!!)

The Interim Domain, the next game, seems way more consistent and solid in the visual department. The experience he gathered on N&T paid off. And to be fair, Toxicity, ILS latest work, is even better now after transitioning to HS2. And also the models/cards are quite different of what you've come to expect from other HS2 games, so thats a plus
 
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