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[EatingAnts]

That is a really shitty thing to say, you say "the overwhelming majority of people" using AI to create for example ren'py games are worthless.

- Have you ever thought of that maybe, just maybe the reason is that the amount of people actually capable of creating digital art (or acquiring FOR FREE) that is even close to the quality of what you can get with AI generation in 2025 is close to zero. Or I would even go as far as to claim zero, nobody is "working for exposure" with digital art, programmers however...

- Have you ever thought of that there might a big portion of people WANTING to create a novel or game, capable of simple programming, capable of writing, but NOT capable of creating +$500 content of QUALITY art?

- Have you ever thought of that these people might want to be in control of what is going on in the scenes on a more personal level rather than trying to explain to someone else what they want.

- Have you thought of maybe, just maybe creating 3 scenes with about 50 images only takes a few days or less is preferable for these people (me included).

- Maybe, most of these game creators do not HAVE the funds to pay someone else to create art for a novel or game they do not expect to make any money from themselves.

You are just assuming there are no talented writers out there using ai, or rather "the overwhelming majority of people".

I get that digital artists are pissed at AI becoming a reality, but if those same artists start pissing up the wind, attacking anybody that even glances towards AI to create something, well, they will soon find out pee is wet, gets cold, and empathy goes out the door pretty fast... (I'm not saying YOU are an artist, but you parrot the same thing I hear some artists say)

I also find it VERY strange that using free mega-titted assets in free 3d programs is fine, but doing the same with an ai is a big nono.
I have a feeling the reaction towards AI is because people actually are capable of creating something of quality, not just something that looks like tomb rider game from early 2000, and that is a treat to digital artist unlike renders that look like a ps1 game.
Edit:
I am talking about free assets here, not payed or manually crafted like the game above in this thread, witch looks fkn awesome btw!

bro really wrote a 15 point essay already addressed in its entirety by my original post.

 

[skyblueaster]

i dont disagree with anything you said because you're just reinforcing my point we dont need a quality czar i agree but we should filter out as much as we can without painting with a wide brush of "all AI work is bad work", also there are other factors as to why pixiv and those other sites are dying besides the one you stated. theyre dying being these sights have established incredibly draconian rules in regards to what can be posted there moreso on the side of pixiv than deviant art but my point stands, deviant art has been going down in quality for years as newer and more convenient platforms arise and they refuse or cant inovate and improve their site so they fell behind.

Pixiv and pinterest were definitely worth using before AI made searching for good indie stuff impossible. I used to have a pixiv sub, not anymore now.

deviantART I will agree was on the decline well before that. They actually train on the work you submit too, no one should use that site lmao.

 

[skyblueaster]

Now, back to NTR.

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I think this has great potential. Actually the NTR content could be improved (almost never see the husband) but the animations are some of the best in RPG Maker. And the girl stays somewhat loyal throughout the ordeal (though I think the first scene happened too fast). Hope to see more from the dev.

The animation even has a few variations depending on how corrupted she is at that point.




Art is slightly amateurish, but it's the nice kind that you can tell has love put into it. And definitely very pleasing still.

 

[melantha]

just to clarify, we are talking about this because we are the most affected by AI right?
is it safe to say 8 out of 10 dentists AI games you've come across recently are NTR?

I recognize there are bad actors who use this AI trend, just to make quick buck.
but at least from what i saw, there are more slop not from their intentions, but skill issue.

this is my favorite quote from recent discussions about this topic

AI lowers the barrrier to become a dev

as I added, this happened elsewhere before, in another department

the same way unity lowered the barrier for programming
then unity was looked upon as the slop compare to unreal engine which was used by professionals.

but i'd assume any reduction to barrier to entry would lead to slops, regardless if it's art, programming, or general tooling.

this led me to think, maybe it's the combination of all these barriers of entry lowering?

let's do a though experiment for a sec and reverse the timing.
imagine AI art was here since 2000's, but there's no RPGM, renpy, unity, webgl, etc.
there would be games but not alot slop, as the barrier of entry to programming was high.

but then these engines just released and you all see the slops flooding in.
would it get blamed upon the engines that - now these small devs are able to release slops
is it an innate quality of AI art that make it a slop?
or just the fact the two valves, programming and art, are now wide open?

again, just a thought experiment, i am not justifying anything, as I am also just thinking as i write.

 

[Kulman]

But AI art tends to use the same-y style, either the generic one, or that one korean look one, or the babyface one. There isn't really that much variation on public mass generated stuff.

Mila AI looks pretty good. Then you have people getting inventive and pushing the AI art through further filters, creating something pretty unique looking (there was that pixelated AI art game that someone posted not too long ago).

The tech is getting better and people are also getting better. You must realize that it is still a pretty new tool for most people, so it makes sense that at first you are getting slop.

 

[melantha]

But AI art tends to use the same-y style, either the generic one, or that one korean look one, or the babyface one. There isn't really that much variation on public mass generated stuff.

may I interest you with PVC AI art?

 

[skyblueaster]

just to clarify, we are talking about this because we are the most affected by AI right?
is it safe to say 8 out of 10 dentists AI games you've come across recently are NTR?

I recognize there are bad actors who use this AI trend, just to make quick buck.
but at least from what i saw, there are more slop not from their intentions, but skill issue.

this is my favorite quote from recent discussions about this topic


as I added, this happened elsewhere before, in another department


but i'd assume any reduction to barrier to entry would lead to slops, regardless if it's art, programming, or general tooling.

this led me to think, maybe it's the combination of all these barriers of entry lowering?

let's do a though experiment for a sec and reverse the timing.
imagine AI art was here since 2000's, but there's no RPGM, renpy, unity, webgl, etc.
there would be games but not alot slop, as the barrier of entry to programming was high.

but then these engines just released and you all see the slops flooding in.
would it get blamed upon the engines that - now these small devs are able to release slops
is it an innate quality of AI art that make it a slop?
or just the fact the two valves, programming and art, are now wide open?

again, just a thought experiment, i am not justifying anything, as I am also just thinking as i write.

I believe EatingAnts said it best here.
https://f95zone.to/threads/ntr-netorare-cuckold-resources-discussion-development.2711/post-16434868

RPG Maker has a bad rep because of this (and still persists to this day).
This is why you see some devs people advocate for Steam to increase their submission fee to $500 (subject to regional pricing). When costs go up, it does filter out a lot of lazier projects, meaning the people who willing to pay up are more likely to be passionate about it.

I don’t actually agree with increasing the submisison fee, but I can see the reasoning about it.

 

[Torimiata]

Pixiv and pinterest were definitely worth using before AI made searching for good indie stuff impossible. I used to have a pixiv sub, not anymore now.

deviantART I will agree was on the decline well before that. They actually train on the work you submit too, no one should use that site lmao.

I remember when digital art itself faced tons of scrutiny back in the day. While AI art is different, I think there's a huge survivorship bias happening... for every successful AI game we see, there are 100+ failures we don't.

Actually had a poll about this on Discord.

Most people preferred quality hand-drawn 2DCG over good AI art.

However, most also preferred good AI-generated art over mediocre hand-drawn work.

One of these is definitely easier to achieve than the other, which I think explains a lot about the current landscape.

 

[skyblueaster]

I remember when digital art itself faced tons of scrutiny back in the day. While AI art is different, I think there's a huge survivorship bias happening... for every successful AI game we see, there are 100+ failures we don't.

Actually had a poll about this on Discord.

Most people preferred quality hand-drawn 2DCG over good AI art.

However, most also preferred good AI-generated art over mediocre hand-drawn work.

One of these is definitely easier to achieve than the other, which I think explains a lot about the current landscape.

Yes, AI looks great and many prefer it over mediocre hand-drawn work. You are not wrong.

That being said, I don't mind reading a good AI game. It's just that time is super-limited, so most AI games get filtered out because of pre-existing experiences. But if there are good things being said about it, like NTR Phone, I’m willing to give it a try. I've probably consumed more AI content than I care to let on lol.

I just saw that you’re the dev of "Blurring the Walls." I've actually heard good things about your game recently, so I’ll probably check it out when I have time. Just one question though: I’m all about the netorare but can you explain if it's netorase or netorare? Your signature says no NTR, but the itchio label says NTR lol.

I want to punch a wall and cry, so I'm wondering if the NTS turns into NTR at some point. ><

 

[melantha]

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my god those numbers (i once subbed too).
but i never actually checked, but god damn. laura is ♥ btw
akari is ♥ too

some models these days actually train on datasets that respect artists who opt-out.
e.g.

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, that say on their description:

All images has been trained with both captions (when available) and tags, artists' names have been removed and source data has been filtered based on our Opt-in/Opt-out

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[NTR_Connoisseur]

Call me crazy but kinetic novels/linear stories are the very best for actually telling a coherent story and building up tension. So many times I see people bashing games for "ugh I got no choice, its not even a GAME ehmergerd". Okay so what? You cant trust the player to make a coherent story and buildup by themselves.

Full on agree, I don't like games that split into 40 different endings. I do like the aspect of walking around and discovering shit myself though(rpgm games)

 

[skyblueaster]

my god those numbers (i once subbed too).
but i never actually checked, but god damn. laura is ♥ btw
akari is ♥ too

some models these days actually train on datasets that respect artists who opt-out.
e.g.

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, that say on their description:

❤ ❤

I accept that AI is inevitable. Might have played a few AI games myself, heh. His game is pretty good, so he deserves props.
I like the ethical programs but sadly most users still use the big ones, and there’s no way to tell which AI image was ethically sourced.

I'm more annoyed that the low barrier of entry has enabled bad actors to post weakass NTR. I go to communities like r/netorare and it's the same guy spreading his NTR AI slop everywhere. IT'S NOT EVEN NTR, just a woman having a sex with a random guy two pictures in. **cries**

The annoying thing is that he’s still getting clicks because AI art is that good, whereas before he would have to pay an artist and get filtered out. These “NTR comics” dont even mention the MC at all, smh.

 

[Cunt Hunter69]

Bruh can you guys shut up about AI already

 

[crnisl]

Bruh can you guys shut up about AI already

 

[skyblueaster]

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She changed into a different person in the next panel. LMFAO this is gold.

 

[neenerpants]

I'll be honest, I've been tempted to use stable diffusion to create artwork for my own NTR game, and then hand animate the scenes.

These comments do give me pause though, as I wouldn't want a backlash. Do people have any examples of GOOD games that make use of AI, as well as really BAD use?

 

[SlidingSubject]

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lmao, she changes with the light

 

[Astralfan]

Is it just me or anyone else somehow only feels NTR Vibe when its a male protagonist rather thn a female protagonist?

and if its HIDDEN NTR, its the best work.

 

[skyblueaster]

I'll be honest, I've been tempted to use stable diffusion to create artwork for my own NTR game, and then hand animate the scenes.

These comments do give me pause though, as I wouldn't want a backlash. Do people have any examples of GOOD games that make use of AI, as well as really BAD use?

Personally, I don’t care as long as the NTR is good. Most AI looks great (it’s trained after the best art), but I think these games stand out:

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Whatever melantha is doing with their models
I believe the creators here draw over the AI art and spend a lot of time editing, so it's consistent.

Steam also has a ton of AI games that feature animation in them, if you were looking for animation examples.

As for bad ones, there are many, but I don’t think it’s good to call people out like that.

Just don't use AI art AND have bad NTR

I'd pay to read NTR with this art (even if it's AI)



But this type of AI art takes a lot of brushing up, so my dreams of COTE NTR will be dashed for now.

 

[Captain Oblivious]

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Wow that's a lot of money. I tried it the other week but found the writing and art boring.

The phone UI was well done though.