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[2022meinfzone]

Can someone suggest me any milf ntr?BUt,and this is a must ,the milf MUST be strong willed.Like shes a strong willed ceo and is getting blackmailed to protect her son or something like that.The younger the one who does the ntr the better but what i really care about is that the milf must strong willed.Preferably japanese cause i get the feeling they just do ntr better but western are fine too

I don't recall any games but

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pretty much draws stories like you described.

 

[KissKissStudio]

Anyone who understands that NTR (netorare) and its fans are for the most part diametrically opposed to and turned off by NTS (netorase) much like heterosexual men are repulsed by gay and bi porn is on the right track and way ahead of most developers making this kind of game (at least when it comes to 3dcg ntr games, i don't know what the anime ones are like). Some nts fans do consume ntr porn just like some bi and gay men consume straight porn, that doesn't mean they should be catered to (they want ntr to be easy to avoid / fully controllable) and certainly not at the risk of ruining it for the target audience.

For instance choices like "NTR yes/no" repeatedly applied whenever NTR (netorare) is right about to happen are netorase sensibilities that ruin the experience for ntr fans, they should NEVER be in a route/game for NTR fans. Those things are only useful for NTS players who want to be able to pick and choose who their LIs "cheat" with (which the nts fans really perceive or consume as sharing, something that only happens when they allow it) and for harem fans who don't want any ntr ever at any level.

For NTR fans NTR should be either unavoidable (the player has already given enough consent by choosing to play the ntr unavoidable game) or very hard to avoid (likewise). Having to instead choose yes/no right before a ntr scene means you have to repeatedly consent to being NTRd to see it happen therefore ruining the illusion that it's happening against your will. Also, having to deliberately pick dumb/antagonistic dialog choices against the LI to get NTRd will similarly ruin the illusion. You don't want to feel like you're forcing it to happen, you want to feel like it's being forced on you as much as possible.


Yes! NTR is about the MC's pov, not the cheater's. And certainly not about making decisions as the LI/choosing to cheat as the LI. And even if you don't make choices as the LI, simply being aware of cheating information from other povs that the MC isn't privy to will reduce the potential impact of the eventual NTR reveal scene. If the player already knows the wife is a dirty cheating whore from having witnessed a dozen cheating scenes through other povs he won't experience the same ntr shock as the MC does when the cheating is finally revealed to the MC, the player will be too out of sync with the MC.

Re: the other bullet points. They all sound good/nice to have but I can't judge if they're worth the added effort.

I'd already be happy with a 3dcg game (with no grind) where I/MC can get cheated on despite my best efforts to prevent it as MC, without having to play dumb by antagonizing the LIs, without having to pick "do you want to get ntred right now?" dialog choices right before it happens. Without being forced to witness it ahead of the mc from other povs. I've yet to find any game that even fits those simpler criteria . Paradise City 's ntr path initially looked like it might work like that but then the design changed halfway through so now there's a whole lot of LI pov and you're making her cheating decisions for her.

I agree with you fully on NTR games that suddenly put you in the girl's POV to make the choices for her. Its just plain NTS game, while some do it not so badly but still it kinda sucks i think for Netorare fans. Because the hard choices are being made not by MC but by Li's perspective.

As for my game NTR will have 5 phases for main girls. 1st will include talking 2nd will be talking with some feeling up. 3rd will be hanjobs and all the foreplays. 4th one is bj and grinding and 5th will be vaginal sex. I still dont know from which stage i should open up the idea that she is cheating on MC, but the 3rd stage will be the one where u can still stop the ntr to happen, but you have to reach stage 3 love to stop the NTR from happening. I dont know how hard it will be at first, maybe it will be piss poor attempt or I will just fail super badly. But i want it to be challenging.

 

[KissKissStudio]

I'm enjoying Bright Lord so much, I'm kind of fanboying to see you in this thread. I've seen Lighthouse mentioned before and it's definitely on my watch list. Your graphics are good but for some reason your sex scenes aren't really doing it for me. I can't tell you why. But I'm so into your story I can't stop. Maybe that's why the sex scenes aren't hitting me, I just want to see more of the story. There are a few supernatural AVN's that I think are just fantastic and I'm excited to see there is more coming.

I agree so much on the binary choices in NTR games, especially with a male MC. I like a corruption game so a female MC just whoring it up doesn't bother me as much. But with a male MC it seems like the choices are always, "1. Do something normal and get no sex scene or 2. Do something super stupid and get an NTR sex scene." That doesn't feel like NTR. That feels like some kind of fake NTS. I can't be the male MC and directly choose for her to cheat. Then its not cheating, even if LI thinks it is.

Personally, I think maybe the way to approach that is with multiple variables for a girl. You need money, fitness, and attention to the girl as example. And if you spend the wrong amount of time one one vs another, you start failing progression skill checks. Just like real life where you can never really make a woman satisfied because they will always want their cake and to eat it too. Or juggle a few girls because you don't know which one you will get to keep. Make the wrong choice and you lose Vickie the Virgin and end up with Betty the Blower or Colleen the Cum Dump. I'm excited to see how you approach it after your affection mechanics in Bright Lord.

Bright Lord was a big test. I started working on it as soon as I started learning the 3d program. Which now results in a very shallow game where it doesnt really matter what u do.
For The Lighthouse I hope I can achieve it being harder and those making NTR happen more natuarally. And I think BL sex scenes for a lot of ppl are not appealing since it happens with paranormal activity in mind so it never feels like both parties want it.

 

[KissKissStudio]

Games with quick corruption arent bad per say, but they are use and forget type of deal. Quick fap and gone. They make no emotional impact on me, since they didnt take the time to set anything up. Nothing bad with that though really. Its fine for such games to exist, its like fast food.

As for your observations, I agree with all of them except for the gameplay driver ntr. People think they want that, but they dont. At least they dont want the results that come when someone tries to accomplish that. Its almost impossible to correctly tune the difficulty to make this gameplay driven ntr enjoyable. Its either too easy, so you need to play like a moron or its too hard, so there is no point. And its impossible to hit that sweet middle spot for any reasonable amount of players. If you look at popular ntr games, or all time greats, pretty much none of them have gameplay driven ntr. Mostly kinetic story is just better. Maybe if you had a team of 20 people you could make gameplay driven ntr really good, what people want, but for porn game devs, its almost an impossible challenge. I cant think of a single one that managed it, each time I just need to make a conscious effort to make ntr happen/not happen by failing easy stuff etc. Its not enjoyable, it might as well have been a "do you want to get ntred or not" A/B choice.

Personally I think that not the player, but the character doing their best and still failing makes for a great story. Ntrpg 2 had the main character train with sword every day, only to be an absolute ass at it compared to the antagonist. Similarities with henteria chronicles games. They are characters that you can root for, they try their best, but fate is just a bitch and its all for naught. This way you kinda impart part of that struggle through the story, rather than gameplay.

I know what you mean but i rather make it harder to not get ntr and add an option to disable NTR. Then doing the good old trick of making MC a total looser who can't do anything in life

 

[kiziero]

I don't recall any games but

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pretty much draws stories like you described.

This is hilarious.I actually read one of his works and then cause of that i asked for something similiar here

 

[Filipis]

Any game recommendations where the FMC ends up pregnant by her NTR partner and ends up with the cuckolded MMC husband still?

 

[Kulman]

I know what you mean but i rather make it harder to not get ntr and add an option to disable NTR. Then doing the good old trick of making MC a total looser who can't do anything in life

Oh he doesnt have to be a loser. But sometimes things just dont work out. Well its a bit beside the point I wanted to make and got a bit off course. Thought about it a bit more and an initial choice of "do you want the possibility of ntr" and then make it very hard to not get ntred could work. Though it really should be tuned very high up, or it just turns into netorase.

Personally I just like unavoidable ntr most (so mostly a kinetic story with open world elements, free to roam, forced to follow the story and pacing as dev intended), but thats an impossibility in an optional ntr game (since you have to have a choice somewhere, if it was unavoidable ntr after an initial choice, again its just netorase. So yeah... its weirdly complicated lol. In that case initial choice and then very hard to avoid is best).

 

[Kulman]

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Art imitates life. Not the first time, and certainly not the last.
Game: The Saint Wife's Newlywed Trials

And no, the scenes aren’t worth it as usual. It’s hard to call it NTR when the wife barely resists.

Its the ultimate ntr. Oh you want sexy body of heroine? Fuck you, here ugly bastard ass!

 

[KissKissStudio]

Oh he doesnt have to be a loser. But sometimes things just dont work out. Well its a bit beside the point I wanted to make and got a bit off course. Thought about it a bit more and an initial choice of "do you want the possibility of ntr" and then make it very hard to not get ntred could work. Though it really should be tuned very high up, or it just turns into netorase.

Personally I just like unavoidable ntr most (so mostly a kinetic story with open world elements, free to roam, forced to follow the story and pacing as dev intended), but thats an impossibility in an optional ntr game (since you have to have a choice somewhere, if it was unavoidable ntr after an initial choice, again its just netorase. So yeah... its weirdly complicated lol. In that case initial choice and then very hard to avoid is best).

Look into that way that after NTR lvl 3 it becomes linear NTR game After that, it is mostly a discovery game since babysiting events dont really matter and in gameplay loop the scene will happen no matter if you are doing well or not.

 

[XDzanderXD]

Hey guys, I have a question. Does anyone have this manga available for download?

 

[crnisl]

Can someone suggest me any milf ntr?BUt,and this is a must ,the milf MUST be strong willed.Like shes a strong willed ceo and is getting blackmailed to protect her son or something like that.The younger the one who does the ntr the better but what i really care about is that the milf must strong willed.Preferably japanese cause i get the feeling they just do ntr better but western are fine too

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This is hilarious.I actually read one of his works and then cause of that i asked for something similiar here

We have threads like Mom and Sis NTR works and Bully + mother, but alas, girls use to be not too strong-willed. Mom x bully is not an uncommon plot, but a mom putting any interesting fight is rare.

As for doujins, Almarosso comes to mind. Their moms are maybe not much strong-willed, but at least they use to stay a bit angry all the time. Plus, the bull is quite young, heh. Try

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and their main series

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(1-8).

As for games, have you tried playing Mind Luda by Kuripick? But all the Kuripick's games are banned here.

And some good momntr games you might find interesting enough - not especially strong-willed women, but at least with some personality, and there's good writing.

• Indiscreet Mother: Yukari + After Story
• He Maid Her Fall
• Misanthropy

As for netori momntr, I recently played Do You Like the P☆A President?, and it was somewhat fun.
As for breaking female CEO, people do recommend Tsuma no Haha ~Gouman Onna Shachou to Doukyo no Hibi~, even though not ntr. But I've not tried it yet.

 

[Chicken42]

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[Zadke]

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The dev :v

na jk aside you can find it in the usual sites iirc i saw that in ryu and AS

 

[sfoMMA85]

Bright Lord was a big test. I started working on it as soon as I started learning the 3d program. Which now results in a very shallow game where it doesnt really matter what u do.
For The Lighthouse I hope I can achieve it being harder and those making NTR happen more natuarally. And I think BL sex scenes for a lot of ppl are not appealing since it happens with paranormal activity in mind so it never feels like both parties want it.

Well I really do appreciate a "tested" and somewhat successful developer, with a completed project (which is quite a big one) under his belt to tackle the NTR trope. Dunno whether you have been into it since longer but I am excited to see how you manage... though I remain skeptical. Depending on whether you are new to the genre or whether you are elaborate certainly plays a huge role in how good you actually realize it. But as far as I observe it you try to at least be in contact with the real connoisseurs and the NTR sages around here, like Kulman and now yours truly

 

[Spicydinet]

I played it, it's not very good.
You go through the levels trying to sneak your way, then eventually end up in a big mansion and do some more sneaking.

It's isn't really NTR, the MC is trying to sex up the FemC with the huge tits, and he has this demon-girl thing following along with him, who he had proclaimed to love (i think to stop him from getting killed)

So the gameplay is trying to pass her up to sex the big tits girl who has a husband, but turns out husband was the enemy entire time, yadda yadda, evil forces used demon girl, something like that, happy end or bad end depeding on what you do. Story was super balls.

It's not really that interesting. The scenes are hot but they are kind of samey once you get to the sex.

Ok sounds like a skip then

 

[Virpgoil]

Can someone suggest me any milf ntr?BUt,and this is a must ,the milf MUST be strong willed.Like shes a strong willed ceo and is getting blackmailed to protect her son or something like that.The younger the one who does the ntr the better but what i really care about is that the milf must strong willed.Preferably japanese cause i get the feeling they just do ntr better but western are fine too

Have you played the developer's UNO games? Good little pixel games with mom ntr but you have to use a translator if you don't know Japanese. Surprise visit by rulu enno is good strong-willed mom/milf ntr by cousin. Power vacuum best 3dcg western game with mom ntr just make sure to download the patch and the separate what-ifs non canon episodes 1-8. For strong willed mother 3dcg games with a small amount of mom ntr there is Corrupted Hearts and Sexbot 1 and 2 but you have to play through a good amount of the game to even get the ntr scenes. There is the game The Mystery of NTR by HoRTN that is centered around a strong willed MILF ntring her son but I can't tell you how good it is because I've only played a little bit. There's a ton of 2d Japanese/Western MOM or Milf ntr games I could recommend but alot of them aren't what you would consider Strong-willed women I think alot of them are ditzy women who fall pretty fast. One of these is https://f95zone.to/threads/reina-a-stupid-saint-with-a-sword-and-dirty-little.104287/

I wish there were more mom/milf ntr games. If you want you could go to dlsite or fanza(make sure to use VPN to be able to access all of the games, set your VPN location to Japan) and do an advanced search for netorare/mother/milf games or hentai manga. Go to hitomi or imhentai for manga. You could also look up game cg on hitomi as well that have the milf mother and nte tags. If you want suggestions for 2dcg games with mom ntr just message me I'll send you a list.

 

[Shirafune]

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It's not complete

 

[teaia]

let's drill down on the NTR avoidables for a sec

is it better to have a difficult to insane challenge? or a doable one?

i have a mechanic right now that avoids NTR, but it's not a win-lose situation.
it's doable enough that you can probably score 2~3 / 5 for every challenge

the 5 represent the weekdays, the 2 you scored correctly is a vanilla scene.
while the 3 wrong ones will advance the NTR progression.
and this happens over 40 challenges

eventually the NTR will progress enough to trigger new scenes, because its very difficult to 5/5 the challenge

so in the perspective that, im trying to win, i'll protect her, me trying hard but she gradually get NTR'd anyways gives that true NTR feeling

but the other perspective, i just want the NTR, ill fail everything 0/5 so i get the corruption faster. is that a bad thing you can intentionally fail challenges? is that a turn off?

maybe the question is, does it have to be difficult to win, or difficult to lose on purpose?

may i get your thoughts on this dilemma? what makes avoidability work for you?

edit: it sounds like my mechanic is not avoidable, but technically it is avoidable. someone might be able to find a strategy to win all the time, but i'd assume 90+% of people will mistake enough for bad scenes to progress into real NTR. the main worry is probably the ability to intentionally fail challenges, makes it lose suspense?

Love that idea. I'm going to play your game.

 

[Captain Oblivious]

Real porn depends a lot on several players kind of like videogames.

• The problem is that you have to learn where to look.
  a good director will get some good camera angles and portray scenes with logical sense.
• The actors themselves have to be good at acting (for porn standards)
• The male and Female have to be good fucks. and this can be thrown off by lack of chemistry.

In the end real porn is quite low effort. but sometimes you find good directors, good actors and you get some good stuff.

The real porn I'm referring to has simply stolen pictures and videos from porn movies (employing actors and crew would probably be well beyond the means of most f95 game devs). Usually just straight up scenes from the movie with some model shots of the actresses for the story bits. Not even some light photoshopping of the images nor editing of the videos to give it some personality.

And worst of all... they don't even choose any of the actually good looking porn actresses. Unforgivable!

 

[leavy]

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The game is still in development, but you can try out the demos. The Diagnosis Event v1.0 has an English option.

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