Recommending NTR, netorare, cuckold - resources, discussion, development
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Had some spare time, and tried goblinboys games. I don't know why he is called a ntr-legend. Schooldreams 1 (camping) was nice, but this sort of game is so unfunny to play. And what annoyed me most: you go for your girl's virginity, but the ntr only starts if you cheat on her (which is instant detected) and that is bad. Nicely written, yes, but as game, and for story telling I would say only 3 of 5 points. A lot potential...
I was so hoping, after Mike got a feeling of her breasts he would take her from me (I wasn't cheating) during the game, but no matter how often I played it (till he get her off or she him) she save her virginity for me. Go for the hide and seek, found Melissa, waited around...20 turns, Mike still was kissing/groping her.
If this would be easier to play, I would say: okay more of it...
I was so hoping, after Mike got a feeling of her breasts he would take her from me (I wasn't cheating) during the game, but no matter how often I played it (till he get her off or she him) she save her virginity for me. Go for the hide and seek, found Melissa, waited around...20 turns, Mike still was kissing/groping her.
If this would be easier to play, I would say: okay more of it...
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It was, IIRC, his 2nd game. Also, Release date: 14-Aug-2006
I was disappointed same way you were. Still, his games were milestones for NTR.
As another poster noted, it was a completely different era of adult games. If you didn't grow up with text adventures, it's surely going to be a really huge learning curve. Also, it was literally one of his first, if not THE first game he had ever made, so give him a break there. If you want much more polished NTR games of his, try School Dreams 3, Meteor, or the Tesliss Equation. Probably the most straightforwards of those is SD3, but Meteor and Tesliss Equation have some pretty neat mechanics if you like some more sophistication in your game. I would also say that the images he put in those games still hold up pretty darn well, even compared to modern fare (and pretty damn good for a western NTR game, which always seem to have pretty terrible graphics for one reason or another).
For those who find those types of games to your liking, people can also try BBBen's last Pervert Action Crisis game, or Ice's games Working Man and Mystic Rhythms.
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Okay, I have not expected to get a "perfect" game.
And yes without growing up with those games makes it really hard to play (not to enjoy) one.
And for the story itself, the way it "goes" (like the damn hot spin the bottle where you can see some superb mike/becky actions) is fantastic (no problem with text-erotic) I don't need these pictures. As I mentioned: what I want from any ntr-game is the option to avoid it, not the option: "avoid it" or "push her to it". And that is the only thing I really found "bad" on this one.
Tried SD3...man text games are really a pain in the ass, when you have to search for the right commands (so I tried the walkthrough which leads to 4(?) endings if I remember correct) and it seems the ntr is getting molly fucked by her boyfriend. And for me that was somehow...boring. Yeah fucking these little sister would be nice, but through the whole game you get these "becky is your perfect gf" impression, so...why cheating? And she isn't get fucked by anyone else, if I have seen correct (as I told you: I am bad at this sort of gaming). That is somehow...disappointing. (Also the truth or dare game was an missed option to let becky tell all you/mike was her first, so this could run different ways, it just done the "and so it happened, you remember..." which is neutral, but an wasted opportunity.
TeslissEquation made similar "mistakes" for me. You were softly directed to "Emily would be your perfect gf" but at the point where I thought okay, now she will be taken, the game changed to fantasy setting, and suddenly Emily was not Emily anymore...
This made the whole progress of staying "true" to her somehow hollow. I mean I hoped after drugging her for testing, that after I doesn't wanted her to be on drugs at first sex, she would call the bully...but nope...
Meteor is on the list, but I think it would be similar like the others.
Positive: These story-telling is really nice done, and the build-up is taking place at a reasonable pace.
Negative: But if ntr is decided by one point in the story (like in camping) it throws away all the good points from before...
PS: Actual I'm playing the bottel spinning game a lot, because I like these actions of becky&mike if you haven't cheated to her.
And yes without growing up with those games makes it really hard to play (not to enjoy) one.
And for the story itself, the way it "goes" (like the damn hot spin the bottle where you can see some superb mike/becky actions) is fantastic (no problem with text-erotic) I don't need these pictures. As I mentioned: what I want from any ntr-game is the option to avoid it, not the option: "avoid it" or "push her to it". And that is the only thing I really found "bad" on this one.
Tried SD3...man text games are really a pain in the ass, when you have to search for the right commands (so I tried the walkthrough which leads to 4(?) endings if I remember correct) and it seems the ntr is getting molly fucked by her boyfriend. And for me that was somehow...boring. Yeah fucking these little sister would be nice, but through the whole game you get these "becky is your perfect gf" impression, so...why cheating? And she isn't get fucked by anyone else, if I have seen correct (as I told you: I am bad at this sort of gaming). That is somehow...disappointing. (Also the truth or dare game was an missed option to let becky tell all you/mike was her first, so this could run different ways, it just done the "and so it happened, you remember..." which is neutral, but an wasted opportunity.
TeslissEquation made similar "mistakes" for me. You were softly directed to "Emily would be your perfect gf" but at the point where I thought okay, now she will be taken, the game changed to fantasy setting, and suddenly Emily was not Emily anymore...
This made the whole progress of staying "true" to her somehow hollow. I mean I hoped after drugging her for testing, that after I doesn't wanted her to be on drugs at first sex, she would call the bully...but nope...
Meteor is on the list, but I think it would be similar like the others.
Positive: These story-telling is really nice done, and the build-up is taking place at a reasonable pace.
Negative: But if ntr is decided by one point in the story (like in camping) it throws away all the good points from before...
PS: Actual I'm playing the bottel spinning game a lot, because I like these actions of becky&mike if you haven't cheated to her.
I'm currently developing an NTR game and I've just shared how it's going to work, here's the link if you're interested: https://f95zone.to/threads/goddess-saga-darkness-a-semi-open-world-rpg-game.43643/
(In the comments there is more information)
(In the comments there is more information)
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Looks interesting, but the mechanics sound a little bit too simple for me.
Only 2 stats will define if you get ntred? And all is avoidable? So I have to play like an anti-social bum to "lose" the girls?
But let's see what this will be in the future.
The thing with the stats is that i want it to be fair for both type of players: NTR lovers and NTR haters(?) and i think that this is the best option.
The good thing that the game is going to have is that the stats are hidden and you dont know how the relationship is going until is too late(this can be deactivated at the beginning of the game)
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I understand it, really, but as I said: if you want to bring ntr into a game and you want to get the "right" emotions triggering, you have to think about a more complex system. Most will like it, and a lot will play it if you cut out the ntr correct, because they will get their harem-game.
But (at least for me): to get some ntr-vibes which will kick in, the girl has to be happy with you (so loving the MC), wanting you (have sexual interest in the MC) and then starts to fade to the rival (starting to lose sexual interest first maybe, and then also love...but also only while the rival is slowly building his stats up to her. And now we are at 4 stats for simple "me or rival" choice).
Storywise it is easy to tell (look for VN's where just flags are triggered) but to implement it into a rpg game by stats, just two stats are just a simple mechanic (and will end most time into boring grinding). As example look for the Tyrant, this game set up an interesting scenario, brought in stats, and to make it not to complicated you farm love/lust and if you ignore them, boom: ntr. No matter how much Love you have, you only will get ntr by "ignoring" the girls and that's all (IIrc it doesn't even affect the scene if they love you or are sluts).
And as I told: it sound a bit simple for me...but I am just one person. Start to develop, deliver some playable versions and we will see how this works out. I think (real) avoidable ntr + harem will bring a lot players but the ntr-players will be the minority.
(Also developing more than one route will get you a lot of pressure, because everone will have constant updates to their personal prefered route. And when the "bring new girl" guys come, you have to spread focus even more if you decide to do it.)
But (at least for me): to get some ntr-vibes which will kick in, the girl has to be happy with you (so loving the MC), wanting you (have sexual interest in the MC) and then starts to fade to the rival (starting to lose sexual interest first maybe, and then also love...but also only while the rival is slowly building his stats up to her. And now we are at 4 stats for simple "me or rival" choice).
Storywise it is easy to tell (look for VN's where just flags are triggered) but to implement it into a rpg game by stats, just two stats are just a simple mechanic (and will end most time into boring grinding). As example look for the Tyrant, this game set up an interesting scenario, brought in stats, and to make it not to complicated you farm love/lust and if you ignore them, boom: ntr. No matter how much Love you have, you only will get ntr by "ignoring" the girls and that's all (IIrc it doesn't even affect the scene if they love you or are sluts).
And as I told: it sound a bit simple for me...but I am just one person. Start to develop, deliver some playable versions and we will see how this works out. I think (real) avoidable ntr + harem will bring a lot players but the ntr-players will be the minority.
(Also developing more than one route will get you a lot of pressure, because everone will have constant updates to their personal prefered route. And when the "bring new girl" guys come, you have to spread focus even more if you decide to do it.)
You would be surprised at the sophistication of School Dreams 3 and Tesliss Equation with regards to decision points. Goblinboy put an incredible amount of below-the-surface logic to determine what scenes you see and what scenes you don't. For NTR in SD3, I think many would consider some of the Alison scenes to fit, as well as the "Best" endings with Molly and Becky. It's NTR Type A-B though, not so much C. Actually, Meteor is probably the most explicitly NTR type A game (it's all about your girlfriend fooling around behind your back) that Goblinboy wrote, so if that floats your boat, then you should check it out.
As for what another poster requested, a list of NTR AIF, unfortunately there isn't actually that much. Ice/Iceman's games fit, as do some of BBBen's PAC games. Besides those already listed, Goblinboy's other games In Darkness, Last Horizon (the Director's Cut version), and his test game Ghost all have some mild/mod NTR themes (mostly cheating). Can't recall if the Gifts of Phallia games had any of that, they tended to be much more lighthearted and so I don't really believe so. Not much else I can recall off hand. If you can find them David Whyld put out this totally whackadoo series of 4 adult CYOA (Choices, Decisions, Options, Consequences) on the Adrift interpreter that went from totally lighthearted to super dark and crazy perverted, and I could swear there was significant NTR-C buried in that as well, though from an incredibly unique (female lesbian POV) perspective.
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Yeah, I have sensed that out too, that is one reason why I like these games.
NTR in this case means I take her from someone? I mean I have no real relationship with her if I remember correct...
For me it would be interesting to know if Becky can be "lost" as girlfriend without me beeing an ass to her.
NTR Type C is interesting thing sometimes, because it means your girl really don't want to do it. But the corruption of her, so she chooses the other one is better for the jaelousy.
I think I'll try meteor next, sounds like it would be really "nice".
Ice/Iceman (he's listed sometimes differently) has two games, Mystic Rhythms and Working Man. Both have significant NTR themes (both type A). I don't really want to spoil Mystic Rhythms, as it has a pretty shocking twist, but suffice it to say literally the first scene involves your wife being involved with someone else. Working Man has scenes where you can catch your wife in the act with another paramour. His games are great, but they really require walkthroughs to get right, since he doesn't really give you consistent hints about what you need to do(or more annoyingly what you can do). I think sometimes he forgets to use standard IF conventions like highlighting keywords or underlining notable statements, or even sometimes calling out present items.
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Like I said: NTR is really complex (at least for the seduction ones)...I would use stats for her "love" toward Mc & Rival(s), than her "lust/desire" for MC & Rival(s). That alone would be a lot of numbers. And now if you want to avoid ntr by making the rival your buddy, add "like/friendship" between MC & Rival(s). And from here on, I would say for one pairing you have alone 5 stats, but you could show an progress of "corruption" to the girlfriend.
In the beginning she maybe loves MC, and has high desire for him. Rival is only "liked" and there is no desire. So as the rival starts to approach her, his love-stat will raise, and after certain points will also rise her desire. This way you have him seduce her slowly. When certain point is reached the rival and the girl will have sex, from herre on every time they have sex, this will reduces the girl's desire for the MC. So the MC will get less and less sex over time, maybe without "overthinking" it (Okay here we could have a girl only new stat for her arousement, so it would be not so suspicious when she deny the MC even if there is no actual ntr happening). Once her desire for MC is too low, the Love will also start to sink. And that is the point where the girl could openly show that she is now interested in the rival (openly kissing, touching, try not to hide she has sex, etc.).
This is complex, and would be an hell to programm, but it would break the "she is raped & blackmailed (seen to often)" or "sudden love because of big cock (also seen to often)" circles.
Only question here is: will the points be added/subtracted only by choices (like your example) or by things that happen, like: you have girl & rival in party and during fight he gropes her at your back. (Sana has done this fine)
But again: this is a system I would like to see, because I would like to have some real complex ntr in a rpg-game. And what makes this example so interesting for me, is that you don't have to ignore her all the time. Which is one reason I often think the way to the ntr is unpleasant.
PS: saw your "hidden stats" post. Hiding the values is something that goes on with mystery (which is imo always nice) but at least for the girl I would want to know if she is in love with me or not. Means: In my example: only the girl love for MC would be shown, so you would be aware of ntr when her love is suddenly going down (and maybe you could try to stop it now)