Recommending NTR, netorare, cuckold - resources, discussion, development

[Kaitol]

Problem is, everyone tries to make NTR be about what they want/like, presumably either so they can more easily find just what they want or feel vindicated in their particular style of enjoyment. Hence all the constant conflicting definitions and arguments.

Personally, I think the most objective way to look at it that boils it down to the most basic parts is to view it as really just a sub-genre or partner genre of cheating, where the guy getting cucked is a primary part of the content rather than a background character or entirely absent, either through being the POV character or receiving a lot of screen time and character development, so the consumer has an opportunity to develop an attachment to them and alter/enhance their experience of the cheating.

This gets a little hazy with Netori, since it's useful to have everything where you're the bull POV tagged with it, though I personally think of it as just vanilla with some cheating flavor if you never even see the guy you're cucking, it's not really theft in any meaningfully emotional way if the 'owner' only exists as a one-sentence mention now and then and a ring on a finger.

P.S: For people who think it has to involve corruption, I've seen Japanese Netorare where the woman has been cheating on the protagonist for some time with multiple men, though such works are certainly in a minority. One example that jumps to mind is a VN where you find this out after the husband talks to a guy in a bar and asks him to seduce his wife while pretending she's just some woman he saw on the street. Her previous affairs and what the guy himself is doing with her slowly get revealed as the guy sends increasingly erotic audio recordings, photos, and then videos to the husband. I quite liked the gradual build-up through limited reveals rather than the typical gradual build-up through corruption, made it feel more real and grounded, less porn-y.

 

[Gone405]

Problem is, everyone tries to make NTR be about what they want/like, presumably either so they can more easily find just what they want or feel vindicated in their particular style of enjoyment. Hence all the constant conflicting definitions and arguments.

Personally, I think the most objective way to look at it that boils it down to the most basic parts is to view it as really just a sub-genre or partner genre of cheating, where the guy getting cucked is a primary part of the content rather than a background character or entirely absent, either through being the POV character or receiving a lot of screen time and character development, so the consumer has an opportunity to develop an attachment to them and alter/enhance their experience of the cheating.

This gets a little hazy with Netori, since it's useful to have everything where you're the bull POV tagged with it, though I personally think of it as just vanilla with some cheating flavor if you never even see the guy you're cucking, it's not really theft in any meaningfully emotional way if the 'owner' only exists as a one-sentence mention now and then and a ring on a finger.

So what I learned that NTR is very nuanced tho it can be boiled down to its simple points and everyone has their own personal meaning for NTR. I think I got it all.

 

[BBC King]

Hey everyone someone posted a NTR thread with a more clear definition. Just wanted some of yall 2 cents just wondering if yall agree.
https://f95zone.to/threads/i-will-clear-up-a-misconception-of-ntr.213910/

They dont even understand the basic concept that NTR is just an abbreviation for Netorare, Netori and Netorase so you are better off not listening to anything they are saying, seems like a vent post.

 

[Gone405]

They dont even understand the basic concept that NTR is just an abbreviation for Netorare, Netori and Netorase so you are better off not listening to anything they are saying, seems like a vent post.

Yea I saw that after a bit lmao. I didn't think it was gonna be a warzone over some porn :/. Sorry for the post.

 

[desmosome]

It's hard to even articulate how incorrect he is. Towards the end he states "NTR is not about abandonment or betrayal".

Feelings of abandonment and (especially) betrayal is the number ONE feature of NTR. He seems to flip aspects of cuckoldry, which is typically a willing arrangement entered in to by a couple compared to Netorare.


From the visual novel database website:


"Netorare is more than a simple act of infidelity, but the fetishization of jealousy and other negative feelings commonly associated with it.

For a game to be classified as Netorare the following conditions must be met:

1. The protagonist's significant other, a very close friend, or in some cases, a close relative is stolen from him by someone seducing, coercing, blackmailing, outright raping them, or by using other techniques. It doesn't necessarily mean that they are literally stolen, but the negative feelings experienced by their significant other might make it seem so.

2. The one who loses their loved one almost always finds out about the situation and suffers from jealousy and the feeling of helplessness arisen from an inability to change anything. The one stealing the lover and/or the stolen loved one might rub it in by humiliating the loser in private or in public.

3. The trait does not apply if the character having sex with someone else does not have a close loving relationship with the protagonist, and if the protagonist does not experience jealousy and other negative feelings upon finding out about the act. In other words, the ties between the partners and their forcible separation is important to the netorare fetish. For example, an unrequited crush or a potential hero(ine) on a different route would not count for the purposes of this fetish.

4. The act of stealing must happen while the protagonist is in a relationship with the stolen significant other. Scenes of heroine's past relationships do not count as Netorare.

The game is usually portrayed from the perspective of someone losing his significant other, in order to delve deep into the jealousy aspect of the fetish, however, for story purposes the game might switch between multiple POVs and also portray the events from the perspective of the stolen SO."

Even that VNDB definition can be a bit limiting and trying to categorize a broad subject into neat aspects.

The only two constants (not literally but 99% of the time) in netorare is corruption of the female + betrayal/breaking of a bond. They don't have to be lovers. They don't have to be dating. It could be any bond like familial or friendship. The male MC doesn't have to know about it, sometimes even until the very end. If he doesn't know about it, jealousy might not even be part of the story. And attributing jealousy to the player assumes self-insertion. So I don't consider jealousy as a criteria.

Basically, the most barebones aspects that make up a netorare story is the female undergoing a corruption arc and the breaking of some close bond she had with the male protagonist due to this corruption arc. That's it.

Now if we are talking about "NTR" broadly, including netorase, cuckoldry, BBC, male MC humiliation, sharing, swinging, and all the multitude of adjacent tags of this variety, then it's fine to state which specific aspect of this NTR spectrum they enjoy. No problem there.

 

[Gone405]

Even that VNDB definition can be a bit limiting and trying to categorize a broad subject into neat aspects.

The only two constants (not literally but 99% of the time) in netorare is corruption of the female + betrayal/breaking of a bond. They don't have to be lovers. They don't have to be dating. It could be any bond like familial or friendship. The male MC doesn't have to know about it, sometimes even until the very end. If he doesn't know about it, jealousy might not even be part of the story. And attributing jealousy to the player assumes self-insertion. So I don't consider jealousy as a criteria.

Basically, the most barebones aspects that make up a netorare story is the female undergoing a corruption arc and the breaking of some close bond she had with the male protagonist due to this corruption arc. That's it.

Now if we are talking about "NTR" broadly, including netorase, cuckoldry, BBC, male MC humiliation, sharing, swinging, and all the multitude of adjacent tags of this variety, then it's fine to state which specific aspect of this NTR spectrum they enjoy. No problem there.

Ty for the info! Appreciate it. It all makes since to me.

 

[luccel]

Hey everyone someone posted a NTR thread with a more clear definition. Just wanted some of yall 2 cents just wondering if yall agree.
https://f95zone.to/threads/i-will-clear-up-a-misconception-of-ntr.213910/

man the guy that made that thread is kinda turbo fucking dumb should learn to read before making threads

 

[Deleted member 7616778]

Even that VNDB definition can be a bit limiting and trying to categorize a broad subject into neat aspects.

I don't want to come off as an asshole, and you're not wrong, but that is the point of a definition.

I specifically only referred to netorare as I didn't want to get bogged down in it's various offshoots netorase and netori. Your post all factual, I just think its dangerous to bring up when ppl are struggling with even one basic definition to open up the whole can of worms.

 

[Millausht]

the real NTR is when Netorase turns into Netorare

Can someone reccomend some titles?

 

[LordFrz]

Hey everyone someone posted a NTR thread with a more clear definition. Just wanted some of yall 2 cents just wondering if yall agree.
https://f95zone.to/threads/i-will-clear-up-a-misconception-of-ntr.213910/

He seems to only have a surface level of understanding for the type of NTR he likes.

NTR being Netorare to begin with has evolved over time as people felt the need to make it easier to find specific things. NTR is now sort of a blanket term for everything that pertains to that category. NTR as a base needs an element of loss.

Netorare - MC has their loved one stolen
Netorase - MC willingly shares their loved one, the closest to cuckhold. But being NTR has that element of loss.
Netori - MC steals the loved ones of others.
BSS - MC has a one sided attachment to a loved one and feels that element of loss. The key difference is that the loved one does not have any real feelings for the MC.

All these would be NTR to me. And a loved one does not need to be in a sexual relationship. MC having his mom stolen by a school bully would still be NTR. Even when the MC does not want to fuck his mom. But the mom getting remarried would not necessarily be NTR if the element of loss does not exist. NTR has to build that feeling of anxiety the loss of someone can create.

And as blablablagivemethemoney said. It's about how YOU as the one consuming the media feel about it.

 

[Gone405]

He seems to only have a surface level of understanding for the type of NTR he likes.

NTR being Netorare to begin with has evolved over time as people felt the need to make it easier to find specific things. NTR is now sort of a blanket term for everything that pertains to that category. NTR as a base needs an element of loss.

Netorare - MC has their loved one stolen
Netorase - MC willingly shares their loved one, the closest to cuckhold. But being NTR has that element of loss.
Netori - MC steals the loved ones of others.
BSS - MC has a one sided attachment to a loved one and feels that element of loss. The key difference is that the loved one does not have any real feelings for the MC.

All these would be NTR to me. And a loved one does not need to be in a sexual relationship. MC having his mom stolen by a school bully would still be NTR. Even when the MC does not want to fuck his mom. But the mom getting remarried would not necessarily be NTR if the element of loss does not exist. NTR has to build that feeling of anxiety the loss of someone can create.

thanks for the input I appreciate the answer!

 

[luccel]

He seems to only have a surface level of understanding for the type of NTR he likes.

NTR being Netorare to begin with has evolved over time as people felt the need to make it easier to find specific things. NTR is now sort of a blanket term for everything that pertains to that category. NTR as a base needs an element of loss.

Netorare - MC has their loved one stolen
Netorase - MC willingly shares their loved one, the closest to cuckhold. But being NTR has that element of loss.
Netori - MC steals the loved ones of others.
BSS - MC has a one sided attachment to a loved one and feels that element of loss. The key difference is that the loved one does not have any real feelings for the MC.

All these would be NTR to me. And a loved one does not need to be in a sexual relationship. MC having his mom stolen by a school bully would still be NTR. Even when the MC does not want to fuck his mom. But the mom getting remarried would not necessarily be NTR if the element of loss does not exist. NTR has to build that feeling of anxiety the loss of someone can create.

he also seems to be like legit an incel

 

[Prince of Depression]

Hello, guys. Trying to create a small, simple ntr game. It will be on the renpy.
So the couple of questions:
What do you think about humor in ntr?
What do you think about AI CG?
what's more to your liking? Bad endings or good endings?

 

[Gone405]

Hello, guys. Trying to create a small, simple ntr game. It will be on the renpy.
So the couple of questions:
What do you think about humor in ntr?
What do you think about AI CG?
what's more to your liking? Bad endings or good endings?

What do you think about humor in ntr?
I don't mind it but don't care for it either.
What do you think about AI CG?
I don't think I've seen enough to give you a good answer but if its anything to how AI pics are than its ok imo
what's more to your liking? Bad endings or good endings?
I like both!

 

[Kabokle]

could not give a shit about NTRguru35649 stating his viewpoint of NTR as the factual definition once again. NTR is a feeling more than anything else, it is felt by all sorts of people in all sorts of different forms for all sorts of different reasons. Betrayal, corruption, loss, humiliation, stealing, rape. Prude couple, depraved couple, crushes, siblings, parents, friends, nameless NPCs, guardian angels. Cuckoldry, swinging, whoring or outright cheating. Netorare, Netorase, Netori, BSS(lmfao).

It literally doesn't matter. There's no point trying to narrow down the definition further than it already has been, and I don't like it because it feels very gatekeep-y for no good reason.

Best NTR definition ever. All of u idiots that keep arguing every day about what is or isn't ntr and that flood the thread with the same debates every week really need to chill tf out

 

[sabSG]

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Any word on this game? Cant find anything.

 

[cIoseopenbrutal]

Hello, guys. Trying to create a small, simple ntr game. It will be on the renpy.
So the couple of questions:
What do you think about humor in ntr?
What do you think about AI CG?
what's more to your liking? Bad endings or good endings?

Humor is not a bad thing to add, as long as it's a good one. It also depends on your theme. If the plot doesnt take itself seriously, go nuts with it.

AI art is never a bad thing imo. It helps people who has low affinity in art.You just need to be good at making prompts .
Personally, I prefer the ones that doesnt have a realistic shading in them. Keeping the shading simple is the key.

Bad endings should always be the meat of your ntr game. You can add a good ending/vanilla route but imo, if it's something very cliche, I wont be bothered checking it out.

Goodluck in making your game.

 

[mmm1374]

D

dev said a week or 2 after Peateon release, so not even a month, should be out before too long

Oes the game have netorase?

 

[Pango_12]

From the visual novel database website:


"Netorare is more than a simple act of infidelity, but the fetishization of jealousy and other negative feelings commonly associated with it.

For a game to be classified as Netorare the following conditions must be met:

1. The protagonist's significant other, a very close friend, or in some cases, a close relative is stolen from him by someone seducing, coercing, blackmailing, outright raping them, or by using other techniques. It doesn't necessarily mean that they are literally stolen, but the negative feelings experienced by their significant other might make it seem so.

2. The one who loses their loved one almost always finds out about the situation and suffers from jealousy and the feeling of helplessness arisen from an inability to change anything. The one stealing the lover and/or the stolen loved one might rub it in by humiliating the loser in private or in public.

3. The trait does not apply if the character having sex with someone else does not have a close loving relationship with the protagonist, and if the protagonist does not experience jealousy and other negative feelings upon finding out about the act. In other words, the ties between the partners and their forcible separation is important to the netorare fetish. For example, an unrequited crush or a potential hero(ine) on a different route would not count for the purposes of this fetish.

4. The act of stealing must happen while the protagonist is in a relationship with the stolen significant other. Scenes of heroine's past relationships do not count as Netorare.

The game is usually portrayed from the perspective of someone losing his significant other, in order to delve deep into the jealousy aspect of the fetish, however, for story purposes the game might switch between multiple POVs and also portray the events from the perspective of the stolen SO."

Who got paid to write that, I wonder.

 

[LordFrz]

D

Oes the game have netorase?

Not right now, no idea if its planned.