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[Seven Soft]

How can you have the audacity to say that crisnl gets your point better than that guy distilled version, I red your messages and it's exactly that.

if he even gets the recommendations... wrong, then maybe you are wrong.

Learn to write better, give more examples, be more dense, this is a talk between humans with ambiguity in place.

The guy thought i was demanding a Netorare game with no bull, which even i know is absurd. At least that's what i get from him.

I think i should clarify that i'm making two separate request with the operator OR:

1. A VN/game where there is not just one sole male antagonist taking up the primary/prominent role. It could also incorporate other form of antagonists that instigates the corruption (e.g. female peers)

OR

2. A VN/game where there can be one primary/prominent antagonist, but he must be someone who is very masterful with his manipulation (reflected such as him resorting less to coercion/forcing). The subjective add-on to this request is: he shouldn't come across as an obsessive/desperate in wanting the girl.

And in both the request, i want to see the girl having a notable exercise of agency; as in not just abruptly at the mercy of the antagonist's fingertips. I think this is just a general quality found in many good Netorare titles.

But another add-on: if possible, i want to see the previously loyal/wholesome girl gradually change into wanting to cheat herself before the physical affair actually starts. Technically classifying it as Netorare Type A (without featuring a Love Interest who's an overt/obvious slut from the get go).

Hope this is finally clear enough.

EDIT: before mentioning the game title, Crisnl summarized my request into a concise few sentences. And i find it accurate. So even if he did refer to a title which doesn't accurately fulfill all of my request, it still didn't undo the fact that he was astute in his prior summary. He even disclaimed that the rec couldn't fulfull the Male Protag request despite being best-fit in most else. I cannot fault him for that, and i already showed my gratitude.

 

[Seven Soft]

How is that any different? and what are you fighting him for?

I might be misunderstanding "whole changing value told before the bull", but i assumed he was saying that he thinks what i want is for the girl to already become a willing slut before even meeting the bull. Which as you may already know, is not the case.

I do not mind the bull to be present even before the girl's corruption start. I did not even say that i'm imploring for the bull to have nothing to do with the girl's corruption process. I'm saying i want the bull (antagonist) to be very discreet and indirect in manipulating the girl. Quite nonchalantly so as not to come across as obsessive/desperate. And quite masterfully to the point that he successfully tricks the girl into wanting him sexually even before the physical affair (i.e. the penetration, just so the writer has more leeway) starts. I'm trying not to see the "dicking so good she falls for me" trope. I'm trying to see the girl fall for the bull even before the dicking (penetration), but tries to hide it from MC as he gets two-timed.

Hopefully it's clear this time.

 

[Kulman]

Great, lets smear the shit some more.

Anyways, do you all differentiate between ntr being mentally stimulating/gripping and being really hot? Like I realized I can enjoy some pretty slop ntr out there, but its just since its really "sexy".

1) Be it the art, the voice acting etc, while the story itself isnt that great - these make for great replayability of just few scenes. Just load up a save for a quick wank (for example netorare princess for me - shit story, really hot animation). Now while the story isnt that great, the ntr is still there, so it cannot really be replaced by good art without the tag for me. Its like daily bread and butter.

2) Then you have games that are absolutely gripping with their story/writing (clipick games for example for me). You play the game and your heart is pounding, you get absolutely absorbed by the story and you really feel the ntr - these can have mediocre art, but they absolutely hit. The thing I realized is that while these games are masterpieces in my mind, I cant really replay them too much. I need to be "in" the story, but when just replaying a scene? Its really not that hot. And you never get that "first time" feeling when you played them.

I guess my conclusion is, that weirdly for replaying bits and pieces, the slop ends up trumping the masterpieces for me. Which is kinda sad, but emotional investment cannot be flicked on and off in a snap and I dont have 5 hours to just get in the "feel" of a good story game. Not to mention you cant catch that first time feeling again anyway.

 

[Seven Soft]

Great, lets smear the shit some more.

Anyways, do you all differentiate between ntr being mentally stimulating/gripping and being really hot? Like I realized I can enjoy some pretty slop ntr out there, but its just since its really "sexy".

1) Be it the art, the voice acting etc, while the story itself isnt that great - these make for great replayability of just few scenes. Just load up a save for a quick wank (for example netorare princess for me - shit story, really hot animation). Now while the story isnt that great, the ntr is still there, so it cannot really be replaced by good art without the tag for me. Its like daily bread and butter.

2) Then you have games that are absolutely gripping with their story/writing (clipick games for example for me). You play the game and your heart is pounding, you get absolutely absorbed by the story and you really feel the ntr - these can have mediocre art, but they absolutely hit. The thing I realized is that while these games are masterpieces in my mind, I cant really replay them too much. I need to be "in" the story, but when just replaying a scene? Its really not that hot. And you never get that "first time" feeling when you played them.

I guess my conclusion is, that weirdly for replaying bits and pieces, the slop ends up trumping the masterpieces for me. Which is kinda sad, but emotional investment cannot be flicked on and off in a snap and I dont have 5 hours to just get in the "feel" of a good story game. Not to mention you cant catch that firs time feeling again anyway.

I'm exactly the same save for the higher demand in artstyle. Sometimes i stop myself from wanting to invest in the story if i wasn't satisfied from the art (which i perceive as the "payoff") as seen in the previews.

But at times i've been wrong too; for some reason decided to say fuck it and went on with the playthrough, and climaxed at the story's climax very satisfyingly despite the mediocre art. SORAUE games is an example of these exceptions of mine.

As for another anomalous experience, it was with NTRPG 2. I remembered i feel drained after finishing it, both emotionally and physically. But this was long ago, and i think nowadays i'm taking up a more apathetic/distant attitude when it comes to consuming these Netorare works. So lately i haven't been experiencing that same intense experience with other titles, perhaps purely due to my shift in attitude (not necessarily because the story is bad or anything).

I guess this shift in attitude is the background behind my rigorous demand for recs ITT; i want stories which are able to gratify the aforementiomed "newer" me.

 

[melantha]

hi all, what did i miss

mmm even the air has a spicy aroma

 

[Seven Soft]

hi all, what did i miss

mmm even the air has a spicy aroma

You just missed a guy having a meltdown (me). So nothing much.

EDIT: Cleaned up all the spicy junk just now. Hopefully it's sanitary enough to proceed with the discussion.

 

[crnisl]

I guess yes, but fuck man that's a not-so-glamorous way of putting it...
It doesn't have to be portrayed as "wasting away and spoiling herself"

I simply loved this particular expression when I was reading the novel

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(which I find thoroughly enjoyable).

Spoiler: “People are resources. If you don’t use them, they’ll waste away and spoil themselves.”

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[Sasuke92]

Looking for recommendations in this category where the mom likes to fuck the daughter's boyfriend? Not just "cheating" but the mom likes the act of doing it and takes pleasure in it. A bitchy milf...

Or a verbal abusive wife/mom that enjoys humiliating the husband/partner while getting fucked.

 

[Kulman]

Looking for recommendations in this category where the mom likes to fuck the daughter's boyfriend? Not just "cheating" but the mom likes the act of doing it and takes pleasure in it. A bitchy milf...

Or a verbal abusive wife/mom that enjoys humiliating the husband/partner while getting fucked.

Mostly just male MC netori games fill this.

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This one is really good, but it doesnt start as the scenario you mentioned. But in one of the paths, she takes pleasure in cucking her daughter.

Then you have this one from the same studio. Its kinda the similar premise I think. Both have a mother who dislikes her future son in law - they think their daughter can do better. Things go from there.

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[zebucetiva]

There's a fuss over the new Henteria update, I haven't looked too deeply into the matter, but it looks like MC might "cheat" in the next updates. Does anyone have any concrete information?

 

[Voilsh]

Why reference real life or reality at all with this kink?

Kind of agree, all I ask for is for the story to be coherent in its internal logic.
I'm seeing so many comments under every hentai doujin/manga about how ntr should be ultra realistic, and the girl needs to talk to her loved one to avoid misunderstandings, and the guy is too oblivious, and why is she letting herself be blackmailed, why the netori dude is a sex god, and rape doesn't corrupt any girl actually, etc etc.
The common point of most of the people having these opinions is that they don't like ntr lol.
It's like complaining that incest stories having good endings or rape leading to corruption wouldn't work IRL.
No shit.
It doesn't mean there aren't degrees of realism you can play around with (a character can be not one dimensional but still susceptible to corruption for example), but in the end, people seem to forget that the purpose is to serve erotica, not to be a realistic depiction of human psychology.

Be prepared to click through an LOTR movie worth of plot before even getting to Act 2 where the corruption/NTR occurs.

It's great and I'm kind of sad no one else used the angle of "girls are corrupted to become spies in the mc's group" to make a game in the same kind.

 

[Sasuke92]

Mostly just male MC netori games fill this.

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This one is really good, but it doesnt start as the scenario you mentioned. But in one of the paths, she takes pleasure in cucking her daughter.

Then you have this one from the same studio. Its kinda the similar premise I think. Both have a mother who dislikes her future son in law - they think their daughter can do better. Things go from there.

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Yeah I guess something like "homewrecker" games, anything in 3D?

Also, how do I download those games?

 

[Kulman]

Yeah I guess something like "homewrecker" games, anything in 3D?

Also, how do I download those games?

Blanking on anything 3d. I usually download these harder to find games on ryuugames (use the second set of links if available - preferably mega. The others try to give your pc aids. Also have a ublock on).

Then for the translation, if its not translated on ryuu, you can look if TL is available on sugoivisualnovels. If yes download it from there, if not then you have to TL it yourself. Sugoi toolkit is pretty good for that imo - that should be findable on this site.

 

[Alter541]

NTR stories don't need to be probable, they just need to be plausible. Reality is stranger than fiction. Do these people (NTR haters) believe that people don't get cuckolded in real life?

 

[skyblueaster]

NTR stories don't need to be probable, they just need to be plausible. Reality is stranger than fiction. Do these people (NTR haters) believe that people don't get cuckolded in real life?

Yeah cheating is VERY common in modern society.
Also, liking cuckolding in games doesn’t mean you like it IRL.

I thought we were well past that argument in video games a long time ago…
Sadly, even within the game community, "H-gamers" are still looked down upon.

 

[Seven Soft]

The common point of most of the people having these opinions is that they don't like ntr lol.

Spoiler: Realizing i don't technically like Netorare

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people seem to forget that the purpose is to serve erotica, not to be a realistic depiction of human psychology.

Spoiler: Understanding why this kink of mine is unpopular

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Anyways, i'm just trying to peacefully share an opinion here.

 

[DOUGLAX]

I finally played and finished all the routes in mirage and I liked it more than I expected, I'm excited for his new game

 

[Captain Oblivious]

Started playing Curse of Pleasure, but its pretty mundane so far. Just walk around and get groped by a bunch of kids and old dudes. Not seeing any NTR, except if you count her little brother getting jealous?

Great art though, I'll give it that.

 

[skyblueaster]

Going to drop a suspenseful, short clip from my game. Can’t post H because YouTube, but NTR happens in the next scene!
Hope I can get enough support for the ugly bastard to be voiced one day…

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Let me know what you think. ❤

 

[NoZeR17]

NTR stories don't need to be probable, they just need to be plausible. Reality is stranger than fiction. Do these people (NTR haters) believe that people don't get cuckolded in real life?

we have this theme every week? or month? nvm, people r different. Personally, i don'r rly like netorare and thats why i never immerse myself into the plot, i play these games only for art, nothing more; unfortunately, art in netorare games often better than in netori games(there's not many exceptions).
While its true that in real life people get cuckolded but... definitely not like in the games bro) and its rly rare for the ''bf'' just watch it, have 0 suspicion or don't go hit the face of the ''bull'' not to mention getting aroused watching you being cuckolded
and i'm too lazy to start to talk about how girls r corrupted. "Pretend to be my gf", "ur big d's so much bigger that my bf's'', u got me, plausible? heh
in real life most of the time why gf/wife or whatever's cheating on u is cause of the psychology reasons, as far as i know, mainly because men attention towards women's not enough) and women search for the attention
overall, we don't need to bring irl here