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[Sundaytroll]

Since netorare is translatet with cuckold it's definition is watered down a little bit.
And most of the people nowadays scream ntr at the moment a girl is not having sex with them (the MC).
And bringing netorare to the incest-sector is always followed by "Will the kid bang the parent or not" to define it's ntr or not...

When I started to like ntr, the translation (to get taken [away]) implicits, that a person love someone (sex or not isn't needed) and this loved person starts to turn away from them because of the 'bad guy'...which leads to jealousy, which was the main point of ntr.
The losing person (which can also be a girl) feels jealousy to the winning person (the taking one) and still wants to have the target (aka: the love-interest) for him-/herself (see: no need for sexual relationship if done correct).

And for me (as a guy) it's feeling more intense when I have to play the male perspective...and mostly as the losing person...but here is the next thing: If I want to play a game, so the option to avoid the ntr should be in there too. If I have to play to strictly see the girl get taken away from me, I often don't like it.

Manga/Anime is good for the strict route, since you are just watching. But games....in games you should always have the option to play around to make it to an good ending.
But that's just my opinion...

 

[Ginger Swan]

Looking up in a jp->jp dictionary (Oubunsha Japanese's dictionary 11th edition via Yomichan) the word 寝取る is a verb and the definition is 他人の配偶者や愛人と肉体的な関係を結んで、自分のものにする。A sloppy translation it'd be something like: ''To have a physical relationship with someone else's spouse or beloved one and make them yours.''.

Notice that not only a spouse (wife, husband, etc) is involved, but also a ''beloved one'', this person might be a good friend, your mother, your sister, your brother, etc. And the last part ''make them yours'' implies that you take away these spouses or beloved ones from that someone else and/or begin to distance themselves.

The nuance between netoru (netorare is the passive form) and cheating is pretty clear to me. Netorare could involve cheating, but it's not the core of the action. In japanese cheating it'd be 不貞 and its definition is 貞操を守らないこと, a translation it'd be something like ''The failure to maintain fidelity/chastity''. It's worth to say that 不貞 is an adjective so it describes a person who failed to maintain fidelity/chastity.

Sorry for any mistake, english is not my native language.

 

[KordNTR]

Not sure how much interest there would be in novels here, but I write a serialized NTR fantasy novel (mainly Netorase). Just dropping the link incase people like that sort of thing:

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[defd©™]

in this forum Cheating is Netori as you can see:


This mean that cheating is a form of NTR!

 

[defd©™]

When I started to like ntr, the translation (to get taken [away]) implicits, that a person love someone (sex or not isn't needed) and this loved person starts to turn away from them because of the 'bad guy'...which leads to jealousy, which was the main point of ntr.
The losing person (which can also be a girl) feels jealousy to the winning person (the taking one) and still wants to have the target (aka: the love-interest) for him-/herself (see: no need for sexual relationship if done correct).

I agree with you partially
NTR is related with jealousy but it is focused and the player... or the reader of the story
When I read a novel or a game I do not like to play with a loser protagonist...
I want just put an example:
If James Bond (007) were a loser, the movies would never have been successful ... and all bond-girls stories starting with NTR!

So in my signature you can find only winner MCs (male or fameles)
The MC must be a winner.
to write someting about a loser MC it is required the skill of a great drama writer.

 

[defd©™]

I can tell that you've never been in a serious relationship before... What cleanfeel said is accurate. Someone would try to blackmail. Cops would be called. Person arrested. End of story. This whole "I'm going to blackmail you even though what I did is illegal too by filming you and you'll just do what I say" is just nonsense fantasy garbage and lazy writing.

I'm in serious relationship with a great woman... we both love sex!
yes the porno-games-novels are a way to evade the reality... Iì, talking about my personal preference in reading ntr novels
in any case if the action is made between consenting adults who do not call the police .. even in reality it would be possible ... but as in the novel the female protagonist decides not to call the cops

If you like adult novels where the girl calls the cops you can watch LAW & ORDER series...
but this will never be a porno game!!!

 

[cleanfeel]

Not sure how much interest there would be in novels here, but I write a serialized NTR fantasy novel (mainly Netorase). Just dropping the link incase people like that sort of thing:

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I promise I'll read it and give you feedback.

 

[no_non_no]

I'm in serious relationship with a great woman... we both love sex!
yes the porno-games-novels are a way to evade the reality... Iì, talking about my personal preference in reading ntr novels
in any case if the action is made between consenting adults who do not call the police .. even in reality it would be possible ... but as in the novel the female protagonist decides not to call the cops

If you like adult novels where the girl calls the cops you can watch LAW & ORDER series...
but this will never be a porno game!!!

No one is saying it needs to go to that extent in the game but it's clear to everyone that the writing is super lazy for a lot of the NTR that's out there.

 

[defd©™]

but it's clear to everyone that the writing is super lazy for a lot of the NTR that's out there.

This is your opinion? Of course I respect your "lazy" but....
We are talking about Japanese authors of erotic NTR novels?!
For me Japanese NTR stories are the best in the world...
They are the masters specialists in the eroticism
and this manga maybe is not the best example

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but for sure is a very hot story .... if she call the police no one will ever be arrested and the cops will watch the video where she is fucking her loser husband. The story ends with no SEX... so it will never be an erotic novel..
or maybe after calling the police she deny everything

As I said in my opinion NTR stories that do not look into the female perspective (even if male protagonist... and it is not the case of the hentai linked) are dramas there is no erotism in a story only focused on a loser cuckold.
I can understand that there are people who don't give a damn about the pleasure of their female partner .. I think it's the majority .. but most of them should ask themselves if they are already cuckold without knowing it.

A well-functioning relationship is made up of complicity and the success or the end of that relationship is always a fault equally divided between the 2 lovers.

 

[cleanfeel]

This is your opinion? Of course I respect your "lazy" but....
We are talking about Japanese authors of erotic NTR novels?!
For me Japanese NTR stories are the best in the world...
They are the masters specialists in the eroticism
and this manga maybe is not the best example

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but for sure is a very hot story .... if she call the police no one will ever be arrested and the cops will watch the video where she is fucking her loser husband. The story ends with no SEX... so it will never be an erotic novel..
or maybe after calling the police she deny everything

As I said in my opinion NTR stories that do not look into the female perspective (even if male protagonist... and it is not the case of the hentai linked) are dramas there is no erotism in a story only focused on a loser cuckold.
I can understand that there are people who don't give a damn about the pleasure of their female partner .. I think it's the majority .. but most of them should ask themselves if they are already cuckold without knowing it.

A well-functioning relationship is made up of complicity and the success or the end of that relationship is always a fault equally divided between the 2 lovers.

You know I keep trying to read your posts and follow along, but I'm just having a real hard time.

We were complaining about how many NTR works have poorly constructed plot where women are just sacks of meat waiting to be fucked instead of real humans with emotions, logic, and intelligence.

You come in saying that "japanese ntr games are amazing" does not make any sense to the conversation (not disproving the point that SOME japanese ntr games are good).

And then you talk about female perspective being important in a game, which was our original point: that women are not meat bags waiting to be "corrupted" like some sort of doll. And then you talk about men providing women orgasms (???)

And then you keep talking about what a "good relationship" should be in the real world and how it's both sides of then partnership, which I agree. But again, why are you so off topic??? What does that have to do with the idea that "the writing is super lazy for a lot of the NTR that's out there."

Like you make some good points but they're all scattered thoughts it's so hard to try to follow. Stay on topic, and we can have some good discussions on NTR.

 

[defd©™]

You know I keep trying to read your posts and follow along, but I'm just having a real hard time.

We were complaining about how many NTR works have poorly constructed plot where women are just sacks of meat waiting to be fucked instead of real humans with emotions, logic, and intelligence.

You come in saying that "japanese ntr games are amazing" does not make any sense to the conversation (not disproving the point that SOME japanese ntr games are good).

And then you talk about female perspective being important in a game, which was our original point: that women are not meat bags waiting to be "corrupted" like some sort of doll. And then you talk about men providing women orgasms (???)

And then you keep talking about what a "good relationship" should be in the real world and how it's both sides of then partnership, which I agree. But again, why are you so off topic??? What does that have to do with the idea that "the writing is super lazy for a lot of the NTR that's out there."

Like you make some good points but they're all scattered thoughts it's so hard to try to follow. Stay on topic, and we can have some good discussions on NTR.

I started to reply post... in the general discussion thread is not required to stay on topic... I just replayed to your statement

Edit: Here's an example of typical Japanese NTR garbage:

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Literally word for word, of my previous paragraph: 1. Wife gets blackmailed by some loser on the phone saying they have record of her and her husband having sex in a hotel. 2. She meets baddie in cafe, he says "let me fuck you lol". 3. She goes Ok.

I do not agree with you on that statement
This story is absolutely great and it is focused on female perspective. I do not think to be more off topic than you

 

[cleanfeel]

I do not agree with you on that statement
This story is absolutely great and it is focused on female perspective. I do not think to be more off topic than you

Ok I'll bite since you finally seem to write something I can understand: why is it a good story? I never complained about the female perspective. All I said was very clearly how this story is completely devoid of logic and if you tried this in real life, it ends quickly with the blackmailer in cuffs. I gave clear examples of how this specific plot would fall apart.

 

[defd©™]

Ok I'll bite since you finally seem to write something I can understand: why is it a good story? I never complained about the female perspective. All I said was very clearly how this story is completely devoid of logic and if you tried this in real life, it ends quickly with the blackmailer in cuffs. I gave clear examples of how this specific plot would fall apart.

I m just talking about novels... this as nothing to do with real life.
I like that kind of novels... if you have others... .. Japanese artists are very good... there is also good sense of humor in that story

I think you are the one who want go off topic. Are you?

 

[cleanfeel]

Not sure how much interest there would be in novels here, but I write a serialized NTR fantasy novel (mainly Netorase). Just dropping the link incase people like that sort of thing:

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I gave the story a go. So the story seems like netori so far. It's very high quality writing; better than most I've seen. I'm very impressed. I'm on Chapter 4 so far.

On the prologue, there could've been more description on the woman. What does she look like. How does she sit, etc.
Overall the attitude of her is good. I wish she held back on blowing the narrator (because it's a sign of submission in my view). But I love her defiance. Very nice taste in woman. She did break too easily imo (or so it seems?).

I love the overall humor and self awareness of the story. The game doesn't hold back in criticizing the MC (rightfully so). MC is also the right amount of stupid. The ability of altering sexual attraction is interesting as well, lots of potential.


Is the story just pure netori? Or are there netorare as well.

 

[KordNTR]

I gave the story a go. So the story seems like netori so far. It's very high quality writing; better than most I've seen. I'm very impressed. I'm on Chapter 4 so far.

On the prologue, there could've been more description on the woman. What does she look like. How does she sit, etc.
Overall the attitude of her is good. I wish she held back on blowing the narrator (because it's a sign of submission in my view). But I love her defiance. Very nice taste in woman. She did break too easily imo (or so it seems?).

I love the overall humor and self awareness of the story. The game doesn't hold back in criticizing the MC (rightfully so). MC is also the right amount of stupid. The ability of altering sexual attraction is interesting as well, lots of potential.


Is the story just pure netori? Or are there netorare as well.

Thanks for the feedback! I really appreciate it. I am still a pretty new writer, so every little bit helps. I agree the prologue could use a bit of work, it is one of those chapters I plan on revisiting at some point. The whole thing has been a bit of a learning experience.

That being said, I am super happy that you are enjoying it so far.

 

[cleanfeel]

Thanks for the feedback! I really appreciate it. I am still a pretty new writer, so every little bit helps. I agree the prologue could use a bit of work, it is one of those chapters I plan on revisiting at some point. The whole thing has been a bit of a learning experience.

That being said, I am super happy that you are enjoying it so far.

I think your story is one of the better isekai stories (not just for the h stuff). Really down to earth humor. Anyway I can support you?

 

[zetsupetsu]

Not sure how much interest there would be in novels here, but I write a serialized NTR fantasy novel (mainly Netorase). Just dropping the link incase people like that sort of thing:

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This seems like a pretty long read I have it saved as bookmark.

How much netorase and netorare are there? Which one of the two is more prevalent?

 

[Sundaytroll]

I agree with you partially
NTR is related with jealousy but it is focused and the player... or the reader of the story
When I read a novel or a game I do not like to play with a loser protagonist...
I want just put an example:
If James Bond (007) were a loser, the movies would never have been successful ... and all bond-girls stories starting with NTR!

So in my signature you can find only winner MCs (male or fameles)
The MC must be a winner.
to write someting about a loser MC it is required the skill of a great drama writer.

Okay, where should I start...
I was just describing the common structure of ntr (someone who loses, someone who wins, and someone who get 'stolen'). This is the simple structure which is base for most ntr-stories.
At this story, you can play as the loser (which is mostly implied, because of jealousy) or the stealer (which will let you enjoy the jealousy of other people, if you ask me). You also can make a perspective of the 'stolen' one, but for me this would be more cheating in a game, than ntr (just my opinion).
You only like winner MC's, okay, this means you just like netori (and definitive NOT netorare), but others want to read about a guy who loses someone (which doesn't mean he has to be a loser)...because: jealousy.
What defines a MC as loser, the fact he got his partner stolen?
Or if he is portrayed as wimpy, small dicked and unfit?
What if he is a big manager, makes lot of money, is good in bed, has decent penis, but his wife cheats on him?
But that is another point: storywriting. The most used one is the second one, and the bad guy is the third one, and sure who wants to be the ugly guy, when he can be the other one, so I understand your position.
For me personally: I surely can play games in which I lose someone, but as I said in previous post: a game is meant to be interactive, so to take away my choices (or just don't let them count) is a something I (!) don't like.

Which brings us to shitty stories...almost every game/manga with ntr follows the same lame plot: rape/blackmail leads to sex, which leads to "Oh I stay with bad guy, because he makes me feel sooooo good" and this is bullshit...
In the real world this only could work where woman have no rights...so not in japan/europe/usa (mostly).

Why do we still like it? Because we want to fap, and when you have to read 30 pages of manga to see nude a nude girl, you won't read it, so at page 10 you will get your fapping reasons...
Written stories (choya, literotica etc) can use some more time to build-up, because when you are willing to read a text you will be ready to wait. And surpise, surprise: written stories will often have a more plausible plot...
And with games as far as I could say: I want to see that my choices will have an impact on the story, but also: most people want to fap, so first rule if you want to make money with games: show something which often means story is mostly...flat.

So what do we learn from all this: fap = no quality, but quality = can't be short (at least for me).

 

[cleanfeel]

Which brings us to shitty stories...almost every game/manga with ntr follows the same lame plot: rape/blackmail leads to sex, which leads to "Oh I stay with bad guy, because he makes me feel sooooo good" and this is bullshit...
In the real world this only could work where woman have no rights...so not in japan/europe/usa (mostly).
...
Written stories (choya, literotica etc) can use some more time to build-up, because when you are willing to read a text you will be ready to wait. And surpise, surprise: written stories will often have a more plausible plot...
And with games as far as I could say: I want to see that my choices will have an impact on the story, but also: most people want to fap, so first rule if you want to make money with games: show something which often means story is mostly...flat.

So what do we learn from all this: fap = no quality, but quality = can't be short (at least for me).

Couldn't agree more. In the real world, as I iterated before, we mainly cheat because we're horny and or intoxicated. (There are higher forms of cheating, usually among older folks where they seek

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which is a whole different animal). Good chance if you are horny, have sex with someone not your spouse, you're gonna feel regret and shame after the initial "pleasure" of sex goes away. (Think when you jerk off, and feel empty / uninterested after for a while, aka refractory period)

If you have any sort of sense of self and pride, you won't do it again because that's not the person you want to become. You won't get "addicted" to cock like it's heroin / crack, which is what a lot of these mind break corruption stories usually portray.

And even if you DO get addicted to cock like it's heroin because you're a nympho, you will feel disgust, shame, regret, and will try to stay away from it when you're in your refractory period. Exactly like these sad stories of girls checking into rehab once they're off their high and promise to "quit". Sadly in case of drugs, you will relapse because that addiction (similar to eating too much food, jerking off once a day, etc) will gnaw at you.

But in sex, if you're a normal woman with good values, you're NOT going to be a cock slave. It's not physiologically possible, unless the bad guy's dick is coated in crack (lol!).

In terms of chyoa, I have read some gems on there, can you share your favorites as well?

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[KordNTR]

I think your story is one of the better isekai stories (not just for the h stuff). Really down to earth humor. Anyway I can support you?

Great question! Unfortunately, I don't have a method of being supported right now. The best support you can give me is just to read, enjoy, and share the story. This is still just my hobby for the moment. The stress of running a patreon or something similar might be something a bit much for me to handle right now. However, if I do set up a way to support my work in the future, I will let you know.