VN Ren'Py NTR'ed by My Friend [v0.13.1] [NTR.ai]

[funnythings3785]

Cool ideas, funnythings3785, I've been looking for similar.

Spoiler: Suggested NTR ideas I like as well

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All legitimate and "complete" story arcs of a Netorare story, but unfortunately, one that is often overlooked chasing the "Netori" view of what is advertised as a "Netorare" story. That isn't dismissing the legitimacy of a "total depression" ending that many Netorare can have, but it is merely one path of a complete Netorare story experience.

It is why I think Netorare, Netorase, and Netori are better focused on individually as projects. There are numerous sub branches within each type to give a complete story experience that trying to serve them all in the same story is often too much work for a writer. Better that they narrow their focus and the story should improve from that focus. After all, the entire point of the MC view is to try and draw the reader into identifying with the MC and this gets lost when you are serving multiple angles that conflict with each other.

 

[Akeraux]

Loved Sarah refusing to shake hands with Blake.

I still think introducing needles on Blake's balls would be better, but I'll take Sarah's disgust on touching Blake, with a smile.

Refusing to shake someone's hand is one of the most satisfying slaps these days.
Whoever wrote that scene: Well done.

 

[Zobra]

I just kinda wish the MC was not a good guy

yes , you won't feel sorry for him , but Lot "good guys" irl get cheated as lot of those girls prefer "bad boys" , so this game is more related to that sad reality. (she can be innocent on his eyes yet selfish/evil on his back).
i prefer to play as FMC on ntr games , the more you get attached to MC The more sad/miserable you become when he get betrayed (and as a player lot of evil thought will cross your mind of what you wish you could do to them ).

Rahveryn
One missing idea which i like more is NTS while MC (is well equipped) control the whole situation , FMC can be a Slut but she loves him & do nothing behind his back (other than just teasing) , Tease others in front of him (or cuck him in bed) but Only go hardcore with his permission (he decide to watch or go 3some , either MMF or MFF) , i find it more fun like this

 

[Truvead]

One missing idea which i like more is NTS while MC (is well equipped) control the whole situation , FMC can be a Slut but she loves him & do nothing behind his back (other than just teasing) , Tease others in front of him (or cuck him in bed) but Only go hardcore with his permission (he decide to watch or go 3some , either MMF or MFF) , i find it more fun like this

I think the term for that kind of man is a 'stag' - someone who still has sex with his partner, they still love each other, but he enjoys seeing her with other men that he typically chooses. It differs from the cuck relationship in that there is no humiliation element involved; he's simply a voyeur, and may even sometimes call the shots.

 

[Zobra]

are better focused on individually as projects

that true , too much work for a writer (specially who work alone or very small team) , but what if MC is till trying to discover himself ? isn't better to make multiple paths ? this way writer gets even a wider audience.

It differs from the cuck relationship in that there is no humiliation element involved

not familiar with ''stag'' term tho moment MC share his lovers he is a cuck (but It differs like you said tho btw humiliation & sharing type).
and in this game MC (as far as i reached , beach event) he doesn't consider himself a cuck as he have no idea what going on behind his back (netorare/cheating stage) , he will get Ntred the moment he knew about her betrayal , so then idk what happened next in the Story but logically he have to make a choice , confront which can lead to cuckold (enjoy from his chair) / netorase (share & get some) /separate (...) or Stay silence and remain in netorare/cheating stage while dying from inside , slowly (he loves her so much that he is wiling to sacrifice his happiness for her ... sigh )
another path which to claim her back seems ... impossible, she already tasted the forbidden fruit

 

[Wicks99]

Thanks for the clarifications as well. I actually appreciate scenes that rely heavily on visual renders, if I understood you correctly, like those with subtle movements. Unfortunately, since AI tends to be quite unpredictable, I often can’t create those kinds of details, so I have to rely on narration to describe things like a nervous flinch.

As for the black bars on the sides, thanks for pointing that out. I’d noticed them before and initially thought it was a Ren’Py limitation, but after checking some animations today, I found that a few don’t have the black gaps. So I guess that was my mistake—I’ll make sure to pay more attention to it. (Though for some scenes with larger black areas, that was intentional.)

Yes, I think non-excessive descriptions are good enough considering the AI limitations. Good thing is both Friend and Dad have generic modern settings without needing too many unique renders. Problem becomes more noticeable in a fantasy story like College of Mysteria where uncommon scenarios have to be carried through solely with words.

 

[NTR.ai]

Well, I was trying to be nicer in my wording. What else would you call the situation your MC finds himself in on the Hard NTR and Pure NTR paths? Either one is an unacceptable situation to find ones self in. "Crap" is as nice an adjective as I can find for it.

That said, you told the story well. I understood the characters even if I did not particularly like many of them. The artwork was some of the best I've seen in many, many VN/Games. In fact it was the quality of your art that kept me coming back, as I'm obviously not into the MC Humiliation types of NTR games and stories. So I continued to look, in spite of my reservations, to this point, simply because when somebody does a good job, it is deserving of praise. Your work does.

Thank you for that Slight NTR ending, btw. I don't know if I'd have explored the other two had I not followed that one out to completion first. lol

If you’re talking about the situation the MC is in, no problem—and sorry for the misunderstanding. I just thought you were referring to the story itself, and in that case, I guess I wouldn’t be able to agree, since from my perspective, and for the members who enjoy those paths, it cannot be craps, but can be disliked by some members for sure.

 

[NTR.ai]

The kink is fine for those seeking that specific concept, but it would be nice to see some resolution paths to the NTR routes where the MC could find some means of pay back rather than just being a cuck ending.

Sure, for those who are in it for the "kink", it wouldn't be something they are interested in (which they could avoid through choice), but for those who enjoy a full cycle Netorare story, it would create some closure for the MC.

I understand that this may not be the focus to your game, but as I said, it would be a nice edition that would truly round out the game for the Netorare portion. As I commented before, it would make some of the outlandish character development and situations written for the MC acceptable, especially if the "revenge" ending paths were equally as outlandish in their design.

I don't know where a Netorare cycle comes from. And it seems you are trying to express what NTR should look like again, so I would also bring up your previous reply.

Your story here is clearly NTR in a package and form, but it operates from that same perspective the poster was talking about, rooting for the FMC/Antagonist. The MC is a vehicle for their progression which if one does identify with them, the story would take on an enjoyable experience of the one doing the cucking and then taking pleasure in the turmoil of the MC. This is the perspective a lot of these NTR games on this site approach the content from (ie "cheating is sexy!")

The MC is the is fetish tool for these stories, again... the MC perspective a vehicle to enjoy the cucking from a different perspective. From the very first scene with Blake she cheats right in front of the MC, cucking him. The MC is pushed into ignoring it and the FMC doesn't deal with the issue like someone ashamed in their actions, but immediately jumps right to being fucked by him the very next day. The entire story is centered around a cucking perspective wrapped up in an NTR shell, again something that many of the NTR games do here. They are fetish games hiding behind NTR perspective.

What exactly do you mean by “fetish games behind an NTR perspective”? Doesn’t fetish mean “a form of sexual desire in which gratification is strongly linked to a particular object, activity, or a body part other than the sexual organs”? So technically, harem is a fetish, incest is a fetish—then what are “fetish games”? A fetish is a fetish, right?

And I still don’t quite understand what NTR should look like from your perspective. To be honest, having grown up with Japanese adult media—and living in a country that was colonized by Japan, which, I’d say, probably loves Japan more than any other country besides Japan itself—I really can’t understand why NTR seems to have taken on a meaning beyond what I’ve always known.

For me, I enjoy these kinds of stories because they reveal the slutty side of a woman who starts out innocent. (I’m also not sure where you got the impression that the FMC doesn’t show any regret or guilt when she first cheats with Blake. And even I don't know why the first interaction between FMC and Blake is cheating..?) I’ve played some incest games too, since the idea of a mother crossing moral boundaries because she can’t resist her desire is hot—but I find NTR even hotter. In NTR, the girl is usually “stolen” by someone who has no relationship with her, or even someone she disliked at first. That, to me, is more intense and exciting. So I don’t think your interpretation of why people enjoy these kinds of NTR stories is entirely accurate—though I do agree with you about the point that the focus isn’t on the MC, so at least for me, I don't have connections with MC when I'm playing those games.

What I’ve been trying to express is simple: everyone has their own preferences. I’m not saying you should like something you don’t, but you also don’t need to criticize what others enjoy. If you like burgers and I keep telling you burgers are garbage or poor people’s food—is that a respectful comment? Is that really showing that I believe “everyone has their own preference”? You say you respect different tastes, but your words clearly don’t reflect that.

And what puzzles me most is why you think Japanese NTR games have more variety than those here. As I’ve said, quite a few Japanese NTR games get high ratings on DLsite but low ones here—and those are exactly the type of NTR games I make. Even if Japanese NTR games are more diverse, the majority still follow this general formula. So I really don’t know where that impression comes from.

As for your mention of the “NTR cycle,” honestly, I don’t even know what that means. But just to be clear again—I’m not saying one kind of NTR story is “correct” or “authentic.” What confuses me is being told my work isn’t “authentic NTR” when story progressions are based on Japanese NTR games. If you’re just saying you’d prefer something new, like a revenge story, I don't know, that’s like wanting the villains to win in a superhero movie. And how can that be fappable? If I were writing romance literature, sure I will do that, but I’m not.

 

[Rahveryn]

If you’re talking about the situation the MC is in, no problem—and sorry for the misunderstanding. I just thought you were referring to the story itself, and in that case, I guess I wouldn’t be able to agree, since from my perspective, and for the members who enjoy those paths, it cannot be craps, but can be disliked by some members for sure.

Yes, I was refering to the MC's postion, not your story itself. Your's MC is in an untenable position at the end of 2 of your NTR endings. but that was the goal I beleive you were narrating towards. I may not share the kink, but I try not to disrespect the preson who poured so much effort into a work that shines in terms of quality.

 

[Wicks99]

I don't know where a Netorare cycle comes from. And it seems you are trying to express what NTR should look like again, so I would also bring up your previous reply.

I ain't no NTR expert and can't speak for the guy, but my personal observation is Jap NTR hentai games focus strongly on being cuckholded, some voyeurism, a loser MC enjoying being humiliated and LIs "reluctantly" betraying MC due to their physical attraction for another male's cock and/or getting blackmailed. There's a heavy emphasis on voluntary mental masochism in Jap NTR games.

Some NTR audience on the other hand (mainly western I am guessing, hard to confirm online anyway) seem to view NTR more along the lines of cheating, i.e. many don't like a doormat dumbo caricature for their MC and prefer content whereby MC has a choice to fight back or at least is less loser, smarter and more "equal".

At the end of the day, you've made a decent product and obviously it doesn't match some players' expectations. Just give your own POV and move on, no point tuning the whole thing into an academic debate on definitions IMO.

Just my 2C, not targeting anyone's kinks. As a non-NTR fan, it just another AVN genre that is mildly interesting for me.

 

[drips99]

I don't know where a Netorare cycle comes from. And it seems you are trying to express what NTR should look like again, so I would also bring up your previous reply.



What exactly do you mean by “fetish games behind an NTR perspective”? Doesn’t fetish mean “a form of sexual desire in which gratification is strongly linked to a particular object, activity, or a body part other than the sexual organs”? So technically, harem is a fetish, incest is a fetish—then what are “fetish games”? A fetish is a fetish, right?

And I still don’t quite understand what NTR should look like from your perspective. To be honest, having grown up with Japanese adult media—and living in a country that was colonized by Japan, which, I’d say, probably loves Japan more than any other country besides Japan itself—I really can’t understand why NTR seems to have taken on a meaning beyond what I’ve always known.

For me, I enjoy these kinds of stories because they reveal the slutty side of a woman who starts out innocent. (I’m also not sure where you got the impression that the FMC doesn’t show any regret or guilt when she first cheats with Blake. And even I don't know why the first interaction between FMC and Blake is cheating..?) I’ve played some incest games too, since the idea of a mother crossing moral boundaries because she can’t resist her desire is hot—but I find NTR even hotter. In NTR, the girl is usually “stolen” by someone who has no relationship with her, or even someone she disliked at first. That, to me, is more intense and exciting. So I don’t think your interpretation of why people enjoy these kinds of NTR stories is entirely accurate—though I do agree with you about the point that the focus isn’t on the MC, so at least for me, I don't have connections with MC when I'm playing those games.

What I’ve been trying to express is simple: everyone has their own preferences. I’m not saying you should like something you don’t, but you also don’t need to criticize what others enjoy. If you like burgers and I keep telling you burgers are garbage or poor people’s food—is that a respectful comment? Is that really showing that I believe “everyone has their own preference”? You say you respect different tastes, but your words clearly don’t reflect that.

And what puzzles me most is why you think Japanese NTR games have more variety than those here. As I’ve said, quite a few Japanese NTR games get high ratings on DLsite but low ones here—and those are exactly the type of NTR games I make. Even if Japanese NTR games are more diverse, the majority still follow this general formula. So I really don’t know where that impression comes from.

As for your mention of the “NTR cycle,” honestly, I don’t even know what that means. But just to be clear again—I’m not saying one kind of NTR story is “correct” or “authentic.” What confuses me is being told my work isn’t “authentic NTR” when story progressions are based on Japanese NTR games. If you’re just saying you’d prefer something new, like a revenge story, I don't know, that’s like wanting the villains to win in a superhero movie. And how can that be fappable? If I were writing romance literature, sure I will do that, but I’m not.

Can we get milf scene?

 

[brbss]

I was a little worried that Sarah would be taken away by Blake.

 

[NTR.ai]

Can we get milf scene?

I don't plan to make more scenes for Evelyn since she is not FMC.

 

[Tugs666]

Hope the dev starts a new game I really enjoyed playing this one.

 

[JNTRfan]

Hope the dev starts a new game I really enjoyed playing this one.

Ntrd by my dad, look it up

 

[Freedom9555]

The cheating path should end with her getting pregnant.

 

[Chaoticjustice]

Wonder what the bitter sweet ending will look like

But after some consideration I think Id be happy enough with either of these two options

Option 1: (there's always a bigger dick)

Alan kicks Blake and cristine out , Blake and cristine then end up together then fast forward say 6 months to a year and Alan runs into Blake while out and he happens to ask well how are things with you and cristine

Blake then says that they broke up after he caught her cheating on him with someone that just happens to have a bigger dick than him

It goes silent for a minute or two and then Alan straight up just laughs in Blakes face for like a solid five minutes and then is like well isn't that karma hope you felt fucking awful you prick and walks off

Option 2:

Alan kicks out Blake and cristine , they end up together and say a year / year and a half later , cristine realizes Blake is just an absolute prick like worst of the worst , so she tracks down Alan to see if there is anyway he will take her back ( at this stage she has had a child with Blake)

so Alan says he will consider it but he needs to know that she's being serious , so this starts her and Alan's affair ( Alan has no intention of taking her back) so say six months later ... Alan is like right if we are going to do this you need to end it with Blake cut all ties burn all bridges I need you to do it in a way that he would never consider taking you back and once you've done that come to mine with the baby and all your stuff

So cristine arrives at Alan's baby in arm and her stuff in boxes after absolutely nuking her relationship with Blake

To which Alan is like oooo you actually did it and she's like of course I did , then Alan is like cristine you know I would never take you back like ever , after what you done I'd never trust you again , I can't believe you actually thought I would ever consider it , cristine is then shocked by this... Alan closes the door in her face and cristine is then like what the fuck do I do now

 

[Unrandom56]

I don't plan to make more scenes for Evelyn since she is not FMC.

Because bro, that Milf is very sexy, do more scenes with her, it doesn't matter that she's not FMC but you can't leave us without scenes with someone as sexy as her, just look at that pair of tits and big ass, and I hope you can add Reverse Cowgirl scenes, I also want to see those asses bounce

 

[jarbasadona]

Imagino como será o final agridoce

Mas depois de alguma consideração, acho que ficaria feliz com qualquer uma dessas duas opções

Opção 1: (sempre tem um pau maior )

Alan expulsa Blake e Cristine, Blake e Cristine acabam ficando juntos, então, digamos, 6 meses a um ano depois, Alan encontra Blake enquanto está fora e ele pergunta: "Como vão as coisas entre você e Cristine?"

Blake então diz que eles terminaram depois que ele a pegou o traindo com alguém que por acaso tem um pau maior que o dele

Fica em silêncio por um ou dois minutos e então Alan ri na cara de Blake por uns bons cinco minutos e então fica tipo "bem, isso não é carma?" Espero que você tenha se sentido péssimo, seu idiota, e vai embora.

Opção 2:

Alan expulsa Blake e Cristine, eles acabam juntos e, um ano/ano e meio depois, Cristine percebe que Blake é um completo idiota, o pior dos piores, então ela vai até Alan para ver se há alguma maneira de ele aceitá-la de volta (nesse estágio, ela teve um filho com Blake).

então Alan diz que vai considerar, mas ele precisa saber que ela está falando sério, então isso começa o caso dela e de Alan (Alan não tem intenção de aceitá-la de volta), então digamos que seis meses depois... Alan está tipo, certo, se vamos fazer isso, você precisa terminar com Blake, cortar todos os laços, queimar todas as pontes, eu preciso que você faça isso de uma forma que ele nunca considere aceitá-la de volta e, depois de fazer isso, venha para a minha casa com o bebê e todas as suas coisas

Então Cristine chega com o bebê de Alan no colo e suas coisas em caixas depois de destruir completamente seu relacionamento com Blake

Ao que Alan fica tipo "ooo você realmente fez isso" e ela fica tipo "claro que sim", então Alan fica tipo "cristine, você sabe que eu nunca te aceitaria de volta, nunca mais, depois do que você fez eu nunca mais confiaria em você, eu não acredito que você realmente pensou que eu consideraria isso", Cristine fica chocada com isso... Alan fecha a porta na cara dela e Cristine fica tipo "o que diabos eu faço agora"
[/CITAR]eu gostaria de um final antes de ela engravidar!! tipo ele percebe que o cara não esta nem ai pra ela! e abandona ele correndo pro alan e tentando provar que ama ele! claro ele desconfiado e com o pé atras com ela!! ai vai do player aceitar ela ou não!!!

 

[slavegal]

Oh my, here it comes again... I don't know what makes them shamelessly think they have the right to ask anything from the dev since they are not even the subscribers. Some are so twistedly obsessed with a "revenge ending", while most are happy about the game.