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Forget insulting - was he wrong though? Mr. Dog's Breakfast seems to completely miss the point and think the corruption meter is about measuring sexual humiliations rather than how much Ingrid resists being defined by her predestined nature and does things on her own terms. Yeah, she had to fuck somebody she didn't want to, like, once - but she didn't let it get her down and think of herself as wrong and bad and skanky for doing what she had to do.
She went and got gangbanged by wolves. She event went and had sex in the town center , something that would happen anyway in her Tale. She grew a cock just to have sex. She did what her "nature" pushed her to do , only a few bazilion monster kills later. The only difference is that she was now more self aware. It still doesn't explain why the sex in her Tale is considered bad. "Look at those silly sexy uniforms , what loser would use them?" and a few kills later "Ok , let's do this fetch quest for this couple for their sexy cat RP , it will help them so much!"

And I would be fine with all of it if the condesnding and lecturing tone evolved into something more , but it never did. Are we waiting for the sequel for more character progression?
 
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She went and got gangbanged by wolves. She event went and had sex in the town center , something that would happen anyway in her Tale. She grew a cock just to have sex. She did what her "nature" pushed her to do , only a few bazilion monster kills later. The only difference is that she was now more self aware. It still doesn't explain why the sex in her Tale is considered bad. "Look at those silly sexy uniforms , what loser would use them?" and a few kills later "Ok , let's do this fetch quest for this couple for their sexy cat RP , it will help them so much!"

And I would be fine with all of it if the condesnding and lecturing tone evolved into something more , but it never did. Are we waiting for the sequel for more character progression?
As I said, this game was not meant for you. You won't get the point no matter how hard you try.
 
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She went and got gangbanged by wolves. She event went and had sex in the town center , something that would happen anyway in her Tale. She grew a cock just to have sex. She did what her "nature" pushed her to do , only a few bazilion monster kills later. The only difference is that she was now more self aware. It still doesn't explain why the sex in her Tale is considered bad.
When she would've had sex in the town center according to how her Tale was supposed to go, it would've been an unprecedented moment of degradation for someone who was shamed and tricked into doing it after losing all her self-respect and most of her brain cells. That's pretty much the reason all sex in her Tale is considered bad, because the Tale tries to make it that way.

Instead of that, she has sex in front of everyone as an act of defiance, refuses to acknowledge their attempts to shame her, and in the process helps someone else out of the predestined role they were given to play, further breaking the Tale that was set up to break her.

"sex bad" is not the moral of this game. That would be a retarded moral suitable for retarded children. If the game has a moral about sex it's that it should make you feel good, or at least you should get something out of it, like cool Wolf abilities or access to restricted areas.
"Look at those silly sexy uniforms , what loser would use them?" and a few kills later "Ok , let's do this fetch quest for this couple for their sexy cat RP , it will help them so much!"
When do they say the uniforms are for losers? They are a bit silly - many fetishes are a bit silly if you're not into them - but they don't have some condescending attitude toward people who want to wear cat ears or whatever. "Silly" is pretty mild criticism and I don't think they even use that word. I think you're imagining a lot of implications that aren't there.

Personally I've played and enjoyed several of the kind of game that Bangville is making fun of, ones with mechanics for bimbofication and moral corruption. I don't think people who enjoy them are bad. But I also think you've taken this game as some sort of personal attack on people who enjoy those games, where to me it just seems like the game is saying "y'know this whole premise would be kinda fucked up to actually happen to someone" which is different than calling for those games to be banned or whatever.
 

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Btw. y'all talk like the game's finished yet the thread says it's version 0.4

Any clarification on that?
 

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When she would've had sex in the town center according to how her Tale was supposed to go, it would've been an unprecedented moment of degradation for someone who was shamed and tricked into doing it after losing all her self-respect and most of her brain cells. That's pretty much the reason all sex in her Tale is considered bad, because the Tale tries to make it that way.

Instead of that, she has sex in front of everyone as an act of defiance, refuses to acknowledge their attempts to shame her, and in the process helps someone else out of the predestined role they were given to play, further breaking the Tale that was set up to break her.


"sex bad" is not the moral of this game. That would be a retarded moral suitable for retarded children. If the game has a moral about sex it's that it should make you feel good, or at least you should get something out of it, like cool Wolf abilities or access to restricted areas.
I don't buy this. There is no shaming . The ones that are doing the shaming are the characters outside the Tale commenting on it. All the women in the Tale love the Wolf dick , unless I missed something. The tale follows typical "corruption" RPG flow with an overdose of 80s porn logic. The Girl is not bound to break. There is even a "pure run" reward on the final dungeon of the Tale.
As for the moral of the game, I still don't know what it is and nobody is bothering to spell it out for me. I suppose your argument (and correct me if I'm wrong) is along the lines of "go out and explore the world , your hometown is too small for you". It might be that but that's like.. we know , we are living in the internet era , not in the 90s , we can explore the world with a click.

When do they say the uniforms are for losers? They are a bit silly - many fetishes are a bit silly if you're not into them - but they don't have some condescending attitude toward people who want to wear cat ears or whatever. "Silly" is pretty mild criticism and I don't think they even use that word. I think you're imagining a lot of implications that aren't there.
When you give the nurse outfit to the dude in Cummerce :
"If you like sexy nurses so much, you get to be a nurse now! Come on, wear it!"
Condescending kink-shaming , I don't know how else to describe it. And he doesn't want to wear it of course , she is just making fun of him. They are FORCING him to wear it and then Ulfina comments : "That was silly."
And then all is fine and sexualy liberating when they do the cat uniform fetch quest.

Personally I've played and enjoyed several of the kind of game that Bangville is making fun of, ones with mechanics for bimbofication and moral corruption. I don't think people who enjoy them are bad. But I also think you've taken this game as some sort of personal attack on people who enjoy those games, where to me it just seems like the game is saying "y'know this whole premise would be kinda fucked up to actually happen to someone" which is different than calling for those games to be banned or whatever.
Hard love , I generally love Sierra Lee games so me being extra harsh is cause I know she can do better.
As for this would suck to happen to someone... what about all the other Tales where people are fucking dying left and right? How are they even remotely better?
 

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Hard love , I generally love Sierra Lee games so me being extra harsh is cause I know she can do better.
As for this would suck to happen to someone... what about all the other Tales where people are fucking dying left and right? How are they even remotely better?
Sierra hints at the morale of the game in the prologue in almost straightforward text, with all this "good girls" that "should not stray from the path" bullshit. If you can't comprehend meaning of such a blatant metaphor, wtf are you doing here?
 

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Sierra hints at the morale of the game in the prologue in almost straightforward text, with all this "good girls" that "should not stray from the path" bullshit. If you can't comprehend meaning of such a blatant metaphor, wtf are you doing here?
In the endgame you need to dive into your archetype (Slut) more in order to get stronger so I don't think that's that.
 

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So it's a rather short game then I presume?
No it's quite long, but honestly you should not play it yet.
This leaked release was meant to be a patreon only demo, and used to help balance for the final release. So map aren't done, balance isn't final, and bugs are likely.
Just keep this game in mind and come back in a few months when it's perfect. Either buy it cheap on steam or pirate here if you must.
 
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GuyInDogSuit had negative feelings for SL herself.

Which gets into the second matter GuyInDogSuit who disagreed with SL for working on a second project before finishing TLS. Which I don't agree with. It is not as if TLS has been neglected or left behind. It has been updating regularly and is over 80 hours long. There is nothing wrong with working on multiple projects at once.
No, no, you got me wrong. I harbor no ill will towards Sierra or her projects, I just expressed concern that she might be overdoing it. I mean... I knew TLS was long, but 80 hours?! Any longer than that and it'll overtake The Witcher 3 as the game I've spent the most time playing in my lifetime (and half of that beating my meat! FFS, Sierra!).
 

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No, no, you got me wrong. I harbor no ill will towards Sierra or her projects, I just expressed concern that she might be overdoing it. I mean... I knew TLS was long, but 80 hours?! Any longer than that and it'll overtake The Witcher 3 as the game I've spent the most time playing in my lifetime (and half of that beating my meat! FFS, Sierra!).
Nah, tha't not that long. There's a MGQ Paradox, it's 2/3 done and has ~150-200 hours of content.
 

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In the endgame you need to dive into your archetype (Slut) more in order to get stronger so I don't think that's that.
It’s not my problem that you don’t get the point, I tried to tell you, but you are as ignorant as the
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I see no reason for any of us to continue this farce.
 

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I don't buy this. There is no shaming . The ones that are doing the shaming are the characters outside the Tale commenting on it. All the women in the Tale love the Wolf dick , unless I missed something. The tale follows typical "corruption" RPG flow with an overdose of 80s porn logic. The Girl is not bound to break. There is even a "pure run" reward on the final dungeon of the Tale.
As for the moral of the game, I still don't know what it is and nobody is bothering to spell it out for me. I suppose your argument (and correct me if I'm wrong) is along the lines of "go out and explore the world , your hometown is too small for you". It might be that but that's like.. we know , we are living in the internet era , not in the 90s , we can explore the world with a click.


When you give the nurse outfit to the dude in Cummerce :
"If you like sexy nurses so much, you get to be a nurse now! Come on, wear it!"
Condescending kink-shaming , I don't know how else to describe it. And he doesn't want to wear it of course , she is just making fun of him. They are FORCING him to wear it and then Ulfina comments : "That was silly."
And then all is fine and sexualy liberating when they do the cat uniform fetch quest.


Hard love , I generally love Sierra Lee games so me being extra harsh is cause I know she can do better.
As for this would suck to happen to someone... what about all the other Tales where people are fucking dying left and right? How are they even remotely better?
I think the piece you are missing from your analysis is keeping the dreamers into account. And keep in mind that they are ALL pretty massive hypocrites. Ulfina's dreamer wants talks on and on to how nasty and evil humans are for hurting poor sweet Ulfina, despite the fact that said dreamer is the one forcing the humans to hurt her.
The order dreamer is all about tales staying separate and not intermingling. Even though the order of tales is meddling with literally every tale you are in. The blue dreamer wants to put a stop to violence...via murder.

And the bangvile dreamer wants to degrade Ingrid for being a corrupted slut...despite being the one to make the ENTIRE tale based on sex, and setting up so many scenarios for Ingrid to become a sex tool. As for a 'morale' for the whole game I'd say it's a bit to varied to have one central theme. I mean it's kinda the whole point that it isn't just some simple fairy tale! :)

But as far as character's it's about rebelling against the dreamers. Hood is meant to be a victim role, she is one of the strongest in the game. Wilhelm is meant to be the lone and world wear survivor as the tale demands, he finds friends and love, Ulfina is meant to hate humans obviously does not, and Ingrid.

Ingrid is a special case. I think the reason she takes the longest of her companions to solidify herself is that she isn't able to do just a 180 of her role. Because she likes sex, but with all her companions doing 180s to what they are meant to be she might feel she needs to do the same...which makes her ashamed of liking sex and...look at that she is still trapped in her tale. So her escape from the dreamers is to accept herself for liking sex. At least how I saw it.

As for your question on why it was not okay for the cummerce guy and not okay for the cat suit girl.
The guy wanted to see her in the nurse outfit for his own pleasure. The girl wanted to do it for the pleasure of her partner. One is meant to degrade the person wearing it. The other is meant to bring happiness to another.


And if you still have feelings for the game or concerns, because you do have some legitimate criticism I won't deny, then you should bring it up to SL. No use for "tough love" here, as she doesn't come here. If you really care about the game, then spend 10 bucks on patreon and tell SL. She'll listen. (Though don't try it on the blog, she isn't too happy when people mention having pirated the game.)

It’s not my problem that you don’t get the point, I tried to tell you, but you are as ignorant as the
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I see no reason for any of us to continue this farce.
Dude...you aren't helping. No one will change there view points when the person they are trying to talk with them is more interested in being demeaning, then having a discussion.
 
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Dude...you aren't helping. No one will change there view points when the person they are trying to talk with them is more interested in being demeaning, then having a discussion.
What discussion? He just ignores everything i say and repeats same things again and again. Just like your typical Karen.
 
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