Chris2041

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More than one man in a screenshot, won't be long before someone mentions those 3 letters...
already happen see up
but this time they ask like normal human beings i think is nothing bad to ask where the game is going to see is for you or not
the problem is where people feel attacked and start insulting and demanding things .
also is bad when the dev isnt clear for what they want they game to bee in the past i supported some games that later start adding things that the game originally not intended adn people get angry whit reason imagine if you support a game that you like and then later adds unavoidable scat scenes .
Well only the dev can tell
Good luck dev make the game you want but be clear what your public that you want is gonna save a lot of trouble ;)
 

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for for anyone who is interested. you cant change the Mc's name (Dylan,Blonde guy.)

secondly seems like theres a wide variety where this game can go so it doesnt seem to have a target audience. for example theres one option to Kiss a girl in front of her BF so Netori seems possible. and i imagine theres also routes where you can make the wrong choices and lose her. cant say for sure since i avoided those options.

looks like one of the girls Valerie(chick in the white from previews) might be a bit slutty. the scene where she shows her underwear seems to be done on purpose but there no dialogue inner or otherwise to conform this but she does smile as she walks away.

the office dudes definitely wanna corrupt her and apparently this is something the boss has done before.

now as for NTR-ish things. the banner girl seems to be MC's childhood crush who is dating his best friend. and they kiss in front of you and such and some slight ass hugging.

the MC seems to have a decent range of choices. but yeah some things cant be avoided. no option to have Valerie not be a tease for example or no option to prevent other girls from being affectionate with guys.

Key word is affectionate nothing sexual happens so far that i saw.
Thank you for the CLEAR explanation / understanding of what type of story this is looking like. But due to a limited release, I'll wait till more information is available as I'm not a fan of NTR that isn't pro MC....in other words MC takes girls away from another, not him being cucked other guys.
 

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Thank you for the CLEAR explanation / understanding of what type of story this is looking like. But due to a limited release, I'll wait till more information is available as I'm not a fan of NTR that isn't pro MC....in other words MC takes girls away from another, not him being cucked other guys.
thats Netori thats where the MC steals the girls of others
Ntr is when the girls the MC like are stolen usually whit corruption rape blackmail etc in the first the girls dosent like it but later start to love it and usually the MC is ending miserable and alone.
Netorase is when the MC likes to see her girl or girls whit other men he gets off whit it
and i think thats all ? i dont know in not an expert in japanese terms
only i say NTR and Netorase are usually rare kinks that you love it or hate it and tends to lead to people arguing usually in this page my advice is that you make the game that you want and dont listen to what the people say But also be very clear for what the game is gonna be dont beat the bush and be upfront people tends to be very agresive when the dev dont inform that one strange kink is added For example the creator of Family inheritance make a game that is gonna be a harem that you have to Fuck 6 girls before 90 days but after a lot of grinding and when i meant a lot you get a scene whit one of the girls is fucking his black boyfriend who has a bigger dick than the MC and MC is jacking off in front of them . The game didnt say this is gonna have NTR and it wasnt avoidable the people get so angry that they bully the dev of that game so hard that him endem closing all his accounts and dropping the game
This is a example of what you dont have to do .
Well i hope i at least answer some of you questions im gonna wait to next updates and try if the game is for me
Well good luck ;)
 
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BlasKyau

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To be honest, I'm not very versed in these genres of anime and vn. But if I understand the meaning of NTR in wikipedia correctly, then we will have something similar in some scenes and paths. But the game will not consist only of NTR. We will be adding tags in the future as they appear in the story.
Now plans for the future to make public sex, group sex
VIGOR GAMES, I recommend that you include a section with future genres, and if possible, that the most controversial ones include a warning about whether they are avoidable or not.

Personally, if the game is going to have unavoidable NTR (not matter if we can choose that doesn't see what happens if it happens anyway), I won't be interested.

Otherwise, if the group sex includes several Ms (MMF, MMMF, and others), then my interest in it is less than 0, and if the only M is not of MC, then I would have an interest similar to that indicated above.

It would be interesting if the game intends to be a harem, a fuck them all type game, or if only one LI should be chosen.

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Gudil, thanks for the facepalm, it counts as one more like.
 
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AlfredBundy4

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i guess i'm curious what the devs target audience is?

if he wants harem players i doubt it.

dating sim players...probably.

corruption? seems likely.

all i can say to dev is be careful trying to cast a wide net. it rarely works out.
I don't see why a dev needs to have a specific audience. You don't have to focus on a particular kink or genre to tell a story. In fact, I'd argue that just as many titles fail due to strictly being for one type of person compared to those that try to please everyone. The difference maybe being in effort needed and therefore more devs quitting from trying too much. Yet, none of that is mutually exclusive. You can tell a wide ranging and general story without doing too much work and you can overextend yourself focusing on one thing. It can all be true or not. The talent of the dev/story teller matters.

So I don't see why it has to be a thing. I don't see why with every title the comments absolutely have to begin with

"OH, IT WON'T HAVE XYZ WILL IT?! IF IT DOES I WON'T PLAY IT!"

Let a new story be made a bit before everyone asks if it's this or that. I don't know why people can't just give it a second before demanding to know or even dictate what it's about.
 

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VIGOR GAMES, I recommend that you include a section with future genres, and if possible, that the most controversial ones include a warning about whether they are avoidable or not.

Personally, if the game is going to have unavoidable NTR (not matter if we can choose that doesn't see what happens if it happens anyway), I won't be interested.

Otherwise, if the group sex includes several Ms (MMF, MMMF, and others), then my interest in it is less than 0, and if the only M is not of MC, then I would have an interest similar to that indicated above.

It would be interesting if the game intends to be a harem, a fuck them all type game, or if only one LI should be chosen.

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Gudil, thanks for the facepalm, it counts as one more like.
Yes a future content section would help. People don't want to get invested into a game and then 3, 4 or 5 updates later Content is added that they don't like. Also if the NTR you plan to add is Netori where the MC is doing the stealing and not being stolen from then you need to also put that on front page letting them know it's Netori not Netorare. You'll avoid a lot of complaining that way.
 

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I don't see why a dev needs to have a specific audience. You don't have to focus on a particular kink or genre to tell a story. In fact, I'd argue that just as many titles fail due to strictly being for one type of person compared to those that try to please everyone. The difference maybe being in effort needed and therefore more devs quitting from trying too much. Yet, none of that is mutually exclusive. You can tell a wide ranging and general story without doing too much work and you can overextend yourself focusing on one thing. It can all be true or not. The talent of the dev/story teller matters.

So I don't see why it has to be a thing. I don't see why with every title the comments absolutely have to begin with

"OH, IT WON'T HAVE XYZ WILL IT?! IF IT DOES I WON'T PLAY IT!"

Let a new story be made a bit before everyone asks if it's this or that. I don't know why people can't just give it a second before demanding to know or even dictate what it's about.
Well 1 problem with your theory on 1 type of audiance. If you target a specific audience people know what they getting into and more than likely play your game where as if you don't target a specific audience and you have many different types of mixed tags like for example you have harem, romance and NTR , swinging in your game then your not gonna get to many plays on your game. People that is for NTR is gonna be like "HELL YEAH" where as the people that is looking for the romance type of story is going to avoid it like the plague. And then there you are your basicly have the 1 targeted audience anyway. some tags just don't go together.
 
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Russian devs again ?
Models are low grade tier but story is unclear. I totaly see Netori here but my fuckery-o-meter is tingling about other smut.
I bet 10$ its a story from of all these friends perspective and we dont have a singel main protag here. Probably why there is no name change possible and we will see all different fetishes. Dev already said so...be not surprised when someone has to fuck some UBs for a promotion :KEK:
 

rem3403

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Netori is where the MC steals other peoples girls.

NTR=Netorare is where the MC gets his girl(s) stolen(to put it simply).

i'd be careful trying to mix the 2. if this game is mostly about the MC getting all the girls i'd advise not making ANY scenes with the girls being sexual with another guy.

if this game is a mixed bag. making everything optional is usually the best approach. dont wanna see a sexual encounter you dont like? make it avoidable/preventable= it doesnt happen.

skippable =it still hapens but you just dont see it. most people dont like Skippable.

but yeah people who dont like NTR dont wanna see the girls with other guys for whatever reason. they can have husbands/BFs or whatever but we dont wanna see them being intimate or their sex life being mentioned. its just how most anti NTR players are.

my main question is. are you gonna give us the option to change the MC's name in the future? that tends to be pretty important as i myself am not a fan of the name dylan.
Personally, I like games that give some of the side guys, or even the enemy guys having some action. I like the surprise element that brings to games.
 

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Thanks for the clarification)
I'm not trying to throw a wide net, I just want to make the story that I planned.
We do not plan to introduce the ability to change the name of the character at the moment, maybe we will do it later.

Chris2041
Thank you too for the clarification)

Gudil
I hope you dev, do the story you want to tell, if there is ntr, let it be, don't let the haters discourage you. There are people who like ntr too.
Thank you! I think in the same way that first of all I should make my own story that I myself want to see)

incest lover m/s
Between consanguineous relatives - no

AlfredBundy4
I don't see why a dev needs to have a specific audience. You don't have to focus on a particular kink or genre to tell a story. In fact, I'd argue that just as many titles fail due to strictly being for one type of person compared to those that try to please everyone. The difference maybe being in effort needed and therefore more devs quitting from trying too much. Yet, none of that is mutually exclusive. You can tell a wide ranging and general story without doing too much work and you can overextend yourself focusing on one thing. It can all be true or not. The talent of the dev/story teller matters.

So I don't see why it has to be a thing. I don't see why with every title the comments absolutely have to begin with

"OH, IT WON'T HAVE XYZ WILL IT?! IF IT DOES I WON'T PLAY IT!"

Let a new story be made a bit before everyone asks if it's this or that. I don't know why people can't just give it a second before demanding to know or even dictate what it's about.
Thank you! Totally agree with you! This story is just beginning, we just released the prologue to introduce everyone to the characters. I think people need to let this story develop on its own, instead of being crushed by their desires.

porndude1977
Yes, I agree with you. It is impossible to sit on two chairs at the same time. - If there are people who are madly in love with something, then there will definitely be people who hate it (it's like with olives). And I don't want to bend to either side, I want to make a story that I have planned in advance and that I LOVE and I will hope that many more people will like it.

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I am very grateful to everyone that you responded and more than intelligibly explained to me the difference between NTR and natori, and other genres. But I would like to avoid further argument and philosophical discussion about "NTR and stuff" in this thread. I understand that there are a lot of NTR fans and also a lot of haters, but I think that I should not care))) I, first of all, should think about a good story, so I will tell you about my vision of this game.

This story is not the case when everything is written and invented on the spot. I have been thinking about this story for a long time and I already know what will happen in many, many, many releases))) For the next 3-4 updates, I have a very clear plot, of course, all the dialogues have not yet been written, but I know exactly what events will happen , on what topics and what the characters will talk about, what actions they will perform. And I do not plan to change it all in order to please someone. Of course, the temptation to please the audience and do what they like is very huge. But I want to make a story that I like, I want to make it for myself)) And in this case, the value of the tags is not very large. Of course, I understand that people want to know in advance what they will see, for this, as the game develops, I will add tags that appear there, I will do them directly during the release of updates, so you will be warned from seeing what you don't want. I already anpsial that Natori might be one of the tags of this game, at least Natori is a lot closer to this story than NTR. And I believe I may unnecessarily spoiler the plot of the story with more tags now. You will get to know them as the game progresses. Now I can say what will definitely not happen in history - Gay, bestiality, necrophilia, coprophilia, sex with pregnant women, Futa / Trans, incest between blood relatives, tentacles and other, in my opinion, severe forms of fetishes.

Also, this story will not be very fast, it is suitable for those who like to "burn slowly". Therefore, you should not expect that all the characters will start to fuck each other in the second or third part))) I want to create a story (and this is very important to me) so that there is chemistry between the characters. So that in the sexual connection of someone there is a context, some kind of prehistory of at least one of the participants. so that we can see and understand his motivation, why and for what he does it: For the sake of some benefit? Or out of fear? Or because it has feelings for a partner?
I want to recreate the good, realistic relationship between the characters before they start doing something sexual.
I've never really liked games and stories where everything happens quickly and without any sense, something like: "Hello, Pretty Boy! You have such cool shoes! I'll tell you a secret - leather shoes really turn me on ... Maybe you do you want me to suck you?"- sorry, but this is not for me))) There are many games with this approach, for example "Tamara's Exposure" (in no way do I offend the author, he's done well) - quick sex out of the blue... It certainly looks sexy and your The dick may well become hard because of this, but for me personally, it is missing something incredibly important. I prefer the good old "Project SAGE" - the game because of which I fell in love with erotic VNs, there is fire in such stories.
I want all the main characters to have their own story, their own problems and desires, so that we understand the reason and motivation for their actions in this or that situation - this is what I want to try to create.

I also want to be able to make this story love and romantic or vice versa full of lust and debauchery, depending on the choice of the players. Therefore, please, let's not escalate the atmosphere with tags and the "eternal dispute" about NTR now. Let's just let this story develop and see what happens next))) I came up with a lot of interesting things for this story, I planned it for a very long time and I'm sure that there will definitely be people who will like it as much as I like it.))
 

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You undesrtand that if we ask for the future tags is for making us an idea of the future of the game... no?
Is it going to have romance, harem? thats one kind of game. Or is going to have rape, prostitution and group sex like MMF? Thats another kind of game.
With this response I guess both can happen... :rolleyes:
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MrBenny

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thats Netori thats where the MC steals the girls of others
Ntr is when the girls the MC like are stolen usually whit corruption rape blackmail etc in the first the girls dosent like it but later start to love it and usually the MC is ending miserable and alone.
Netorase is when the MC likes to see her girl or girls whit other men he gets off whit it
and i think thats all ? i dont know in not an expert in japanese terms
only i say NTR and Netorase are usually rare kinks that you love it or hate it and tends to lead to people arguing usually in this page my advice is that you make the game that you want and dont listen to what the people say But also be very clear for what the game is gonna be dont beat the bush and be upfront people tends to be very agresive when the dev dont inform that one strange kink is added For example the creator of Family inheritance make a game that is gonna be a harem that you have to Fuck 6 girls before 90 days but after a lot of grinding and when i meant a lot you get a scene whit one of the girls is fucking his black boyfriend who has a bigger dick than the MC and MC is jacking off in front of them . The game didnt say this is gonna have NTR and it wasnt avoidable the people get so angry that they bully the dev of that game so hard that him endem closing all his accounts and dropping the game
This is a example of what you dont have to do .
Well i hope i at least answer some of you questions im gonna wait to next updates and try if the game is for me
Well good luck ;)
The problem I've found with the use of the NTR tag with some projects, some Dev's mistakenly group other kinks to that three letter term. Many who are not fans of NTR content, where MC's being cucked or cheated on (anything where a love interest or content that could causes MC jealousy), are just wanting to know in advance if a project will have that kind of content. And or if it will be avoidable...and not just skipped. I was just looking for some CLEAR clarification before I invest my time into a story, but I ended up playing it anyways.

Regards to a Li and BBC content in that harem game...which was definitely a poor choice of direction made by that dev (Seriously WTF was he thinking, sharing a Li / or being cucked by a Li in a harem story? Epic fail if he wants to generate revenue for his efforts.)

And I agree threats and harassment was definitely wrong, but ultimately the dev's exit was due to the viability of his project after adding unexpected unavoidable NTR content. My guess...People who were following and supporting that project became pissed, and withdrew their support due to his lack of candor with content that would totally irk many non NTR fans. (It was a game reputation ending moment after suddenly adding content totally hated by most of his financial backers.) Hence why many non NTR players want to know future content tags, wanting to avoid the potential of investing a huge chunk of time into a story, to later find out undesirable unavoidable content is suddenly added. I'm in the same boat, as I avoid stories with non avoidable NTR, …having another dude fuck a Li while watching, just isn't my kink (I'm not a fan of Beta MC's, and those kind of kinks screams beta to me.).

But thanks for your detailed reply. I guess we will see where this project goes over the updates released.
 
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