VN Ren'Py Open Your Heart Story [v0.1] [FromTheHeart]

[AlBetGam]

Definitely the minority. How often do you see people ask for a patch that removes incest from an incest AVN?

That has nothing to do with what the majority inclinations are; most people who aren't interested in incest are going to see an incest-centric game and move on to one that isn't, instead of trying to get it converted to their tastes.

Better comparison- if incest fans are the majority, why are only there only ~2600 games with the tag out of maybe 12000 (judging by a ubiquitous tag like "vaginal sex")? That only makes sense if the actual majority of adult game players is disinterested in or opposed to incest.

To be clear, I like incest games as much as anybody. But there's a real difference between a loud minority and an actual majority.

 

[Obsidion69]

yea this needs a incest patch.. cuz it really don't make any sense.. what type of simp shit is that description? If it's not even his kids? So he just going to accept 3 of another dudes kids? Nah, badly needs incest patch/

I haven't tried the game yet so I can't say if the story justifies it or not but depending on the context it's more believable than you might think. I mean putting aside the fact most guys would be thrilled to learn they're gonna suddenly have 3 hot legal chicks in their life, especially older guys if said chicks are heartbroken as the op states with potential daddy issues that might make them open to fooling around with said older guys, there's other possibilities beyond being a simp that would make sense why a guy might do it. For example he's getting paid to give them a home while they attend school or given the OP says he dated their mom maybe he helped raise them for a significant period of their lives and as such cares about the daughters as if they were his own although this latter case would be tantamount to incest so ya why not just make it so since the dev appears to not be subject to patreon nannying.

That has nothing to do with what the majority inclinations are; most people who aren't interested in incest are going to see an incest-centric game and move on to one that isn't, instead of trying to get it converted to their tastes.

Better comparison- if incest fans are the majority, why are only there only ~2600 games with the tag out of maybe 12000 (judging by a ubiquitous tag like "vaginal sex")? That only makes sense if the actual majority of adult game players is disinterested in or opposed to incest.

To be clear, I like incest games as much as anybody. But there's a real difference between a loud minority and an actual majority.

Your logic is flawed based on the fact there are external factors you're not accounting for such as patreon and other platforms having made a concerted effort to stamp out incest games, that a dev team might choose to avoid it for an arbitrary reason such as to please a minority of their members especially if one or more of them is necessary to complete the project such as their programmer, or even just the simple reality that the tag system is far from 100% accurate. Now that said I would agree that like many, dare I say most, fetishes incest is probably not one shared by a majority of the species or even those who play adult games but with the data you provided it's still at best a guess rather than a proven fact as you imply.

 

[AlBetGam]

Your logic is flawed based on the fact there are external factors you're not accounting for such as patreon and other platforms having made a concerted effort to stamp out incest games, that a dev team might choose to avoid it for an arbitrary reason such as to please a minority of their members especially if one or more of them is necessary to complete the project such as their programmer, or even just the simple reality that the tag system is far from 100% accurate. Now that said I would agree that like many, dare I say most, fetishes incest is probably not one shared by a majority of the species or even those who play adult games but with the data you provided it's still at best a guess rather than a proven fact as you imply.

That is a good point. I don't know if there's any way to track devs that aren't into making incest games vs. devs that would be making incest games if it weren't for card processor hostility (and I'm not really claiming those numbers I cited perfectly represent the market). But I'd be pretty surprised if there were more "would be incest but Patreon" games out there than actual incest games.

(Also, there are other platforms with less strict rules than Patreon. But Patreon is still by far the #1 choice. Are they just that much better? Or is the incest-loving segment of the AVN market not actually big enough to trigger a stampede to more permissive payment platforms?)

 

[CamaroFan432]

(Also, there are other platforms with less strict rules than Patreon. But Patreon is still by far the #1 choice. Are they just that much better? Or is the incest-loving segment of the AVN market not actually big enough to trigger a stampede to more permissive payment platforms?)

Patreon isn't better, but simply a better known plattform. Many people simply don't know, that Subscribestar or other even exist. And let's be real, because Patreon is so well known, they do have the most payment options. Besides that, not Visa or MasterCard are necessarily the evil ones pushing these plattforms to cut down "questionable" content, it's most likely PayPal.

 

[Beavis & Butthead]

That has nothing to do with what the majority inclinations are; most people who aren't interested in incest are going to see an incest-centric game and move on to one that isn't, instead of trying to get it converted to their tastes.

Better comparison- if incest fans are the majority, why are only there only ~2600 games with the tag out of maybe 12000 (judging by a ubiquitous tag like "vaginal sex")? That only makes sense if the actual majority of adult game players is disinterested in or opposed to incest.

To be clear, I like incest games as much as anybody. But there's a real difference between a loud minority and an actual majority.

I did see a recent poll on an AVN where the dev asks if he should add incest (surprised he needed a poll). 96% said yes out of over 1000 votes last I saw it. I'm actually surprised that 4% was as high as it was.

 

[Beavis & Butthead]

Patreon isn't better, but simply a better known plattform. Many people simply don't know, that Subscribestar or other even exist. And let's be real, because Patreon is so well known, they do have the most payment options. Besides that, not Visa or MasterCard are necessarily the evil ones pushing these plattforms to cut down "questionable" content, it's most likely PayPal.

They should just ditch Paypal then. Plenty of sites do fine without them, including eBay after they ended their partnership with them (and AmEx as well, apparently 4% fee makes no financial sense). Pretty sure the credit card companies are also part of the problem, as it's because of them stepcest crap clutters search results when searching for real incest porn. Dunno why they don't just add a crypto payment option and also just take everyone's bank account number and do direct debit/credits to them themselves via ACH. That 3% fee they pay to Visa/MC could easily pay for their own payment processing dept. instead and possibly even save money. Even if it costs extra at least they'd get their boots off their necks.

 

[AlBetGam]

I did see a recent poll on an AVN where the dev asks if he should add incest (surprised he needed a poll). 96% said yes out of over 1000 votes last I saw it. I'm actually surprised that 4% was as high as it was.

That's exactly what I'd expect from a motivated and vocal minority, versus a much larger segment that's mostly apathetic.

They should just ditch Paypal then. Plenty of sites do fine without them, including eBay after they ended their partnership with them (and AmEx as well, apparently 4% fee makes no financial sense). Pretty sure the credit card companies are also part of the problem, as it's because of them stepcest crap clutters search results when searching for real incest porn. Dunno why they don't just add a crypto payment option and also just take everyone's bank account number and do direct debit/credits to them themselves via ACH. That 3% fee they pay to Visa/MC could easily pay for their own payment processing dept. instead and possibly even save money. Even if it costs extra at least they'd get their boots off their necks.

Probably because it's not worth it to Patreon to do all that work just to satisfy a minority that wants less restrictions on controversial content. Again, by all appearances this isn't something that's really impacting Patreon's business. Most creators on Patreon aren't making incest content. Most of the ones who are/want to be just change their game or limbo under the rules with patches or something. So why upend their whole transaction structure to cater to the minority that's really passionate about the fetish?

 

[Beavis & Butthead]

That's exactly what I'd expect from a motivated and vocal minority, versus a much larger segment that's mostly apathetic.



Probably because it's not worth it to Patreon to do all that work just to satisfy a minority that wants less restrictions on controversial content. Again, by all appearances this isn't something that's really impacting Patreon's business. Most creators on Patreon aren't making incest content. Most of the ones who are/want to be just change their game or limbo under the rules with patches or something. So why upend their whole transaction structure to cater to the minority that's really passionate about the fetish?

Just for the principle of the thing, being under the heel of someone else's boot sucks. Fuck censorship, a point comes when the money or other carrot-on-a-stick just isn't worth it. I recently came across a dev of an AVN (Selera) that didn't even have loli, bestiality, incest, rape, sleep sex, blackmail, stepcest or anything else in the long list Patreon doesn't like. He basically left them anyway for SS and took the pay cut because he didn't want to continue supporting censorship or their bullshit morality policing with 8% of his income. Normally I only sub to loli devs just because they end up banned here and most other AVN sites so can't be pirated as easily but any dev with a spine like that deserves $1 a month on SS to me, even if their AVN sucks due to boring vanilla-only content ($5-15/mo if it doesn't).

 

[AlBetGam]

Just for the principle of the thing, being under the heel of someone else's boot sucks. Fuck censorship, a point comes when the money or other carrot-on-a-stick just isn't worth it. I recently came across a dev of an AVN (Selera) that didn't even have loli, bestiality, incest, rape, sleep sex, blackmail, stepcest or anything else in the long list Patreon doesn't like. He basically left them anyway for SS and took the pay cut because he didn't want to continue supporting censorship or their bullshit morality policing with 8% of his income. Normally I only sub to loli devs just because they end up banned here and most other AVN sites so can't be pirated as easily but any dev with a spine like that deserves $1 a month on SS to me, even if their AVN sucks due to boring vanilla-only content ($5-15/mo if it doesn't).

That's your stance. It's not likely to be the stance of a large company reliant on those card brands and payment processorsfor their business.

 

[evilution382]

Any fetishes coming?

I'd be surprised if this game goes anywhere at all

 

[Beavis & Butthead]

That's your stance. It's not likely to be the stance of a large company reliant on those card brands and payment processorsfor their business.

It's 2024, there's alternatives like crypto so they don't have to be reliant on them no more than the multi-billion-dollar sellers of blackmarket stuff on the darkweb needs them, aside from doing their own processing. They just choose to be out of greed. Really Elon Musk should have bought them instead of Twitter and proved that point by severing ties with cc companies that didn't want to play ball his way and just switch to crypto and ACH (everyone that gets paid from that or subs to that probably has a bank account anyway, I doubt they take or send physical checks anymore), it probably would have been a better investment and I'm sure at less than $2B current valuation he probably could have gotten it for far less, and got his money back probably 30-50% faster.

 

[AlBetGam]

It's 2024, there's alternatives like crypto so they don't have to be reliant on them no more than the multi-billion-dollar sellers of blackmarket stuff on the darkweb needs them, aside from doing their own processing. They just choose to be out of greed. Really Elon Musk should have bought them instead of Twitter and proved that point by severing ties with cc companies that didn't want to play ball his way and just switch to crypto and ACH (everyone that gets paid from that or subs to that probably has a bank account anyway, I doubt they take or send physical checks anymore), it probably would have been a better investment and I'm sure at less than $2B current valuation he probably could have gotten it for far less, and got his money back probably 30-50% faster.

Estimates I see say between 20-40% of Americans have crypto. No major business in its right mind is going to cut 60% or more of its existing market out by going crypto-only. That's not greed, it's just business sense.

And, again, there's no reason for them to try. Unlike you, the guys running Patreon aren't motivated by a passion to see more incest games. It's a business for them and their options are 1. make some rule changes to stay out of violation and maintain your business model or 2. upend your entire business model and revenue stream to make things better for a niche group of fetishists. I'll give you one guess which option almost any business will go with- hint, it's the one that doesn't involve falling on their sword so you have an easier time getting off.

 

[Beavis & Butthead]

Estimates I see say between 20-40% of Americans have crypto. No major business in its right mind is going to cut 60% or more of its existing market out by going crypto-only. That's not greed, it's just business sense.

And, again, there's no reason for them to try. Unlike you, the guys running Patreon aren't motivated by a passion to see more incest games. It's a business for them and their options are 1. make some rule changes to stay out of violation and maintain your business model or 2. upend your entire business model and revenue stream to make things better for a niche group of fetishists. I'll give you one guess which option almost any business will go with- hint, it's the one that doesn't involve falling on their sword so you have an easier time getting off.

Well as I said money isn't everything. Crypto ownership will only go up over time, it won't replace credit cards overnight until their transactions are just as quick as CC or at least close (ie when there's no BTC left to mine, that's a huge part of that bottleneck). I've seen plenty of businesses make decisions just because they have a spine and some balls along with a bit of integrity and not continue to take it up the ass without even a complimentary reach-around, like EVGA that ditched Nvidia even though video cards were 85% of their revenue, they are still in business selling other stuff after a bunch of layoffs, 60% ain't shit compared to that, esp if after you are still making 100's of millions a year. Elon Musk doesn't give that much of a shit and he's still the world's richest person. He didn't pay $45B for Twitter to get richer (there's far more better investments if that was the goal). He did it so he could tweet whatever the fuck he wanted without getting banned for it. If only more businessmen were like him, even though he sometimes says some pretty eccentric things (I don't see a city of 1M on Mars by 2050 or even 2150 for that matter). Until then fuck Patreon, I'd do nothing but laugh at the news and dance a jig if some former dev-turned-terrorist flew a plane into their HQ or blew up the datacenter where they are hosted while sipping tea and wanking it on Backed.by.

 

[AlBetGam]

Well as I said money isn't everything.

It's kinda the raison d'etre for most for-profit companies. There are exceptions but they're, umm, exceptional.

Crypto ownership will only go up over time, it won't replace credit cards overnight until their transactions are just as quick as CC or at least close (ie when there's no BTC left to mine, that's a huge part of that bottleneck).

And maybe when it gets there it will be a viable replacement for cards. Right now it isn't.

I've seen plenty of businesses make decisions just because they have a spine and some balls along with a bit of integrity and not continue to take it up the ass without even a complimentary reach-around, like EVGA that ditched Nvidia even though video cards were 85% of their revenue, they are still in business selling other stuff after a bunch of layoffs, 60% ain't shit compared to that, esp if after you are still making 100's of millions a year.

As far as I can tell EVGA bailed out of video cards because they said they weren't able to stay profitable there. It may have been 80% of their business but they were making a 5% profit on it, so they quit to focus on the stuff they were making money on. Mistreatment by NVIDIA was also part of it, but that's because the mistreatment was adding to the bad financial situation. This wasn't some Last DJ principled stand, it was them leaving a desert for a stream.

Elon Musk doesn't give that much of a shit and he's still the world's richest person. He didn't pay $45B for Twitter to get richer (there's far more better investments if that was the goal). He did it so he could tweet whatever the fuck he wanted without getting banned for it. If only more businessmen were like him, even though he sometimes says some pretty eccentric things (I don't see a city of 1M on Mars by 2050 or even 2150 for that matter). Until then fuck Patreon, I'd do nothing but laugh at the news and dance a jig if some former dev-turned-terrorist flew a plane into their HQ or blew up the datacenter where they are hosted while sipping tea and wanking it on Backed.by.

By all accounts Musk spent $45 billion and turned it into less than $20 billion. Now maybe he can afford that without a bother, being the world's richest man. Most businesses aren't and can't and would consider that transaction a colossal disaster.

 

[CriticalDecision]

Well I tried the game. Will be sure not to make that mistake again. Good luck anyway