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question for all, maybe been asked before though. Do you guys judge characters based on how they act in other routes? I mean obviously its unfair to judge Lena since you make her do it but, i just played my first secondary route and decided not to go with Cindy because I though Ian would probably be anti-cheating....and Wow Cindy with Axel is a terrible, vitrulent, insecure bitch to just....everyone and it turned me off wanting to do her romance route ever again if this is somehow the type of person she is. Do others do this? or is it dumb to put one timelines judgements on another?
Something similar happened to me,Cindy being a complete cunt to Lena no matter your choices kinda ruined my image of her.
And with Louise,at first i hate her because shes a bully to Stan but after seeing her sex scenes with Lena...damn...shes HOT!
 

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Can't really judge the MCs as they are shaped by the players but that was right, bias exist for other play through lol.
For example I do have a play through where Lena doesn't commit to anyone, and Ian committed to Cindy. I held off that play through until I can see her return without having Axel inside of her, you know what I mean :LOL:.
My guess is that if ian_cindy_love is true EK would not let Axel have her since the game pretty much automatically have Ian break up with every other girls. I can almost certain EK gonna make Axel fuck her on all other Cindy's routes especially the one with Cindy as fuck buddy, not sure if it's possible to save her relationship with Wade but my bet is on the big nope.
In my main path I have tried, but the truth is that it looks very bad, again, the bias of knowing how relatively easy you can seduce her by paying attention to her a little, flattering her and encouraging her makes me have very little hope that one week traveling with Axel is not going to be the end of the relationship between Wade and her, no matter how much it has helped xD
 

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Something similar happened to me,Cindy being a complete cunt to Lena no matter your choices kinda ruined my image of her.
And with Louise,at first i hate her because shes a bully to Stan but after seeing her sex scenes with Lena...damn...shes HOT!
My only issue with it is that it's a forced outcome, like Ian and Axel. I don't mind two girls being bitchy to each other but I hate it when it's automatic. Lena is only ever given the option of being neutral or barbed with Cindy and in turn Cindy is at best mildly jealous of Lena.
 

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question for all, maybe been asked before though. Do you guys judge characters based on how they act in other routes? I mean obviously its unfair to judge Lena since you make her do it but, i just played my first secondary route and decided not to go with Cindy because I though Ian would probably be anti-cheating....and Wow Cindy with Axel is a terrible, vitrulent, insecure bitch to just....everyone and it turned me off wanting to do her romance route ever again if this is somehow the type of person she is. Do others do this? or is it dumb to put one timelines judgements on another?
An extension to your query: If the theory of infinite universes is true, should we be judged in this universe based on our behaviors in other universes? Do "we" (the set of all our instances) form some resonance hybrid on which "we" (the set of all our instances) will be judged, and if so, by whom?
 

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An extension to your query: If the theory of infinite universes is true, should we be judged in this universe based on our behaviors in other universes? Do "we" (the set of all our instances) form some resonance hybrid on which "we" (the set of all our instances) will be judged, and if so, by whom?
Perhaps because of a version of us that took another path and that sees our decisions as inappropriate because it does not see them as appropriate to advance the story and tries to correct us without trying to understand the reason for our choice.
 

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question for all, maybe been asked before though. Do you guys judge characters based on how they act in other routes? I mean obviously its unfair to judge Lena since you make her do it but, i just played my first secondary route and decided not to go with Cindy because I though Ian would probably be anti-cheating....and Wow Cindy with Axel is a terrible, vitrulent, insecure bitch to just....everyone and it turned me off wanting to do her romance route ever again if this is somehow the type of person she is. Do others do this? or is it dumb to put one timelines judgements on another?
You can't judge them on things they didn't do, but you can judge the strength of their convictions.

For example Jeremy, in most paths he won't outright betray Ian, but if all it takes for him to is for Lena to insist slightly more than she does, then it's not that he has better convictions in the other paths, just that it is never tested in those paths.

Paths that take more effort gradually require more player influence (in universe it would be peer pressure) and the NPCs become less responsible as they would be if they did the bad thing without player influence. For example Cindy doesn't just cheat on her significant other like Mike does, before that happens Ian needs to have high relationship score with her and she needs low relationship score with Wade. Mike requires one night at the club and he folds, the second chance to make him cheat in chapter 10 just requires a drunk Lena flirting with him and he folds. So in other words I would say Cindy has more backbone then Mike, even in paths where they both cheat with the MCs.
 

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You can't judge them on things they didn't do, but you can judge the strength of their convictions.

For example Jeremy, in most paths he won't outright betray Ian, but if all it takes for him to is for Lena to insist slightly more than she does, then it's not that he has better convictions in the other paths, just that it is never tested in those paths.

Paths that take more effort gradually require more player influence (in universe it would be peer pressure) and the NPCs become less responsible as they would be if they did the bad thing without player influence. For example Cindy doesn't just cheat on her significant other like Mike does, before that happens Ian needs to have high relationship score with her and she needs low relationship score with Wade. Mike requires one night at the club and he folds, the second chance to make him cheat in chapter 10 just requires a drunk Lena flirting with him and he folds. So in other words I would say Cindy has more backbone then Mike, even in paths where they both cheat with the MCs.
agreed that to me its more like convictions, I mean its not like their existence in other realities is a completely different person...their character remains the same. i guess it just makes me percieve cindy as a character differently?
 

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Is the version in the OP download link still bugged (e.g. Cindy scene plays abruptly when you're not on that path)? I get this is a "prologue" but I don't know if the developer does bugfixes on releases of this length.

Alternatively, if someone knows what I need to edit in the files to make the Cindy stuff not happen, I can try to figure it out myself.
 
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jollyjoker27

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My only issue with it is that it's a forced outcome, like Ian and Axel.
That just made me think. Wasn´t there a route where Ian and Axel could become friendly and even hang out one time?
I know it´s not in my main playthroughs but I haven´t seen it the last few times I tried different routes.
Maybe it was talked about and I just didn´t notice but has this been cut/reworked, too?
 

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It has been cut in rework of ch.9
This really doesn't make sense to me. What is the point of Ian being able to gain points with Alex if it leads to no impact on the story? I was disappointed that there wasn't a friendlier resolution with Axel at Ivy's birthday party if the two aren't dating.
 

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Is there a way to have a loving IanxLena relationship, where they're dating and all, but agree to an open relationship? I had tried it but always failed. In one play Ian fucked Holly while visiting the book festival and when Lena found out, she broke up with him and Holly did so as well, basically he lost them both. In another, I had Lena seduce Jeremy and then she refused Ian to become his girlfriend, although they were still FWB. I know there's a cuckold path for Ian as well but I'm not interested in that branch, it just makes no sense for him to remain in a sexless relationship as a complete wimp while he dominates his boss and Alison.

In my opinion they work best as a loving couple, but with lax boundaries. Like a stag-vixen kind of relationship. Are we even that far story-wise? Will this be an option at all?
 

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Is there a way to have a loving IanxLena relationship, where they're dating and all, but agree to an open relationship? I had tried it but always failed. In one play Ian fucked Holly while visiting the book festival and when Lena found out, she broke up with him and Holly did so as well, basically he lost them both. In another, I had Lena seduce Jeremy and then she refused Ian to become his girlfriend, although they were still FWB. I know there's a cuckold path for Ian as well but I'm not interested in that branch, it just makes no sense for him to remain in a sexless relationship as a complete wimp while he dominates his boss and Alison.

In my opinion they work best as a loving couple, but with lax boundaries. Like a stag-vixen kind of relationship. Are we even that far story-wise? Will this be an option at all?
You make it sound like your Ian had tripped and put his cock in Holly or like your Lena fell and accidentally put Jeremy's cock in her mouth hahahaha.
you can have an open relationship and also a cuckold relationship with sex or a dominant one if you prefer; The open relationship does not mean that Lena or Ian can fuck everyone without it counting as infidelity
 
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Is there a way to have a loving IanxLena relationship, where they're dating and all, but agree to an open relationship? I had tried it but always failed. In one play Ian fucked Holly while visiting the book festival and when Lena found out, she broke up with him and Holly did so as well, basically he lost them both. In another, I had Lena seduce Jeremy and then she refused Ian to become his girlfriend, although they were still FWB. I know there's a cuckold path for Ian as well but I'm not interested in that branch, it just makes no sense for him to remain in a sexless relationship as a complete wimp while he dominates his boss and Alison.

In my opinion they work best as a loving couple, but with lax boundaries. Like a stag-vixen kind of relationship. Are we even that far story-wise? Will this be an option at all?
You can do an open relationship option, but as of now the functions of it seem vestigial. Ian/Lena couple option still lets you go threesome with Louise + open relationship still locks you out of the same sex paths that being a couple would (there might be a few minor text differences. Unsure).

Maybe there will be some development for it in the future though. So to get it:
1. Lena can't have had any sexual contact with Jeremy before chapter 9-10 (whichever chapter that relationship talk is) other than the truth or dare game in chapter 7 where you can have her slurp down to her heart's content.
2. Ian has to either have a heart relationship with another girl in addition to Lena or has to have Lust up to a certain stat. Forgot if it was 5 or 6.
3. Lena has to have a heart relationship with another character as well.

IMO, Eva's made the option's accessibility a little too unnecessarily rigid.

Note: There might be a certain friendship/love level needed with another character beyond just having a heart. If so, I'm not sure what that would be.
 
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Sethmsf

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You can do an open relationship option, but as of now the functions of it seem vestigial. Ian/Lena couple option still lets you go threesome with Louise + open relationship still locks you out of the same sex paths that being a couple would (there might be a few minor text differences. Unsure).

Maybe there will be some development for it in the future though. So to get it:
1. Lena can't have had any sexual contact with Jeremy before chapter 9-10 (whichever chapter that relationship talk is) other than the truth or dare game in chapter 7 where you can have her slurp down to her heart's content.
2. Ian has to either have a heart relationship with another girl in addition to Lena or has to have Lust up to a certain stat. Forgot if it was 5 or 6.
3. Lena has to have a heart relationship with another character as well.

Note: There might be a certain friendship/love level needed with another character beyond just having a heart. If so, I'm not sure what that would be.
If I'm not mistaken, if you have a closed relationship and you agree to try a threesome, in the game variables it becomes an open relationship; May one of the data explorers correct me because I read that in a guide and I could be wrong. Screenshot_2023-12-05-01-32-23-495_com.adobe.reader-edit.jpg
 
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If I'm not mistaken, if you have a closed relationship and you agree to try a threesome, in the game variables it becomes an open relationship; May one of the data explorers correct me because I read that in a guide and I could be wrong.
That might be better game design if so, giving you a second entry point - no pun intended. I had thought the option in Chap 9 (or whenever "the talk" happens) was a little too rigid and not very smart design.
 

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That might be better game design if so, giving you a second entry point - no pun intended. I had thought the option in Chap 9 (or whenever "the talk" happens) was a little too rigid and not very smart design.
I have left you the screenshot in the previous post, to me the idea that by trying to have a threesome the relationship automatically becomes open seems a bit forced too, I think it can be closed and try some things together before deciding whether to open it or not for more experiments
 

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Is there a way to have a loving IanxLena relationship, where they're dating and all, but agree to an open relationship? I had tried it but always failed. In one play Ian fucked Holly while visiting the book festival and when Lena found out, she broke up with him and Holly did so as well, basically he lost them both. In another, I had Lena seduce Jeremy and then she refused Ian to become his girlfriend, although they were still FWB. I know there's a cuckold path for Ian as well but I'm not interested in that branch, it just makes no sense for him to remain in a sexless relationship as a complete wimp while he dominates his boss and Alison.

In my opinion they work best as a loving couple, but with lax boundaries. Like a stag-vixen kind of relationship. Are we even that far story-wise? Will this be an option at all?
No.
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The open relationship variable does nearly nothing as you can see, only a few dialogue switches - and allows them to discuss the later threesome if Lena has low lust.

I understand what you're getting at with your overall post, and the answer is again no. I'd very much like a path like this myself, and as someone who's spent hours browsing and modding the scripts, it's quite clear evakass has no interest in something like this, and far prefers the bullying/cheating themes.

This is extremely evident with how the "ian_cuck" path flows; it's binary, once you're on it, you can get off it by answering "nah I dont wanna hear those stories of your professor" during the footjob scene (iirc there are some other places to get off it), point is, it's either sexless ian with humiliation, or full relationship with fucking, and Lena keeps any indiscretions secret. Again, it's crystal clear what eva likes to anyone who's read the code at length.

Don't listen to the others trying to offer half-cocked story-based refutations of this. The reality is some code segments just aren't that developed (which is understandable, only so much time in the day for dev). Another example of this is the part with Lena-Ian relationship start you mentioned. The Lena-Ian relationship fork is conditioned on NOT v8_jeremy_sex, yet then under that condition branch, there are additional checks for v8_jeremy_sex, so it's not clear from the sloppy coding if that was supposed to block the whole fork or not.

Having said all that, Alison has a few variables that look to leave future options for stuff like that open, unfortunately, it looks like it'll just be with Jeremy again - I'd expect a future 2nd threesome scene with them in a future update.
 
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