VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12.3 Alpha] [Eva Kiss]

[dontcarewhateverno]

I understand what you're getting at with your overall post, and the answer is again no. I'd very much like a path like this myself, and as someone who's spent hours browsing and modding the scripts, it's quite clear evakass has no interest in something like this, and far prefers the bullying/cheating themes.

This is extremely evident with how the "ian_cuck" path flows; it's binary, once you're on it, you can get off it by answering "nah I dont wanna hear those stories of your professor" during the footjob scene (iirc there are some other places to get off it), point is, it's either sexless ian with humiliation, or full relationship with fucking, and Lena keeps any indiscretions secret. Again, it's crystal clear what eva likes to anyone who's read the code at length.

Yeah. That binary which was evident by the Chapter 11 prologue was my biggest disappointment in the game so far. Still making due with other paths I find interesting, but I'm off that specific path now.

 

[ffive]

Is the version in the OP download link still bugged (e.g. Cindy scene plays abruptly when you're not on that path)? I get this is a "prologue" but I don't know if the developer does bugfixes on releases of this length.

The version in the OP has some remaining bugs (e.g. no texts for Ian with more than 1 coin) but the Cindy scene bug in particular is fixed.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Yeah. That binary which was evident by the Chapter 11 prologue was my biggest disappointment in the game so far. Still making due with other paths I find interesting, but I'm off that specific path now.

That's what I wanted, a path with Lena where Ian could just be straight-up like; "I'm fucking around, you're fucking around, no problem, we don't need to be sketch about it...".

Instead you get this crap where she jerks him off while telling him about sleeping around, why isn't there an option to say something like "I don't care that you're sleeping around and honest about it, but we're not gonna do this handjob bullshit."

 

[Zara Scarlet]

I think Dromedari was being facetious and actually agrees with you that it's all based on player choice. Unless you caught that and were just backing them up.

Yeah I got that, those comments weren't aimed at him at all. I was just continuing my earlier disagreement, with those who seem to believe that Lena is a slut whatever choices you make.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

I use this method as a Jiu Jitsu master.

Round 1: Attack - grapple - Attack and shoot - Throw him - Secure the position - Tie him up -> Provoke - Grapple - Throw him - Submit him.

Round 2: Dodge -> Guard up - Block - Take him down - Pin him down - Submit him - Go to submission

At the start of Round 2, Ian's opponent really goes for it, so you have to make sure Ian doesn't take too much punishment during that initial flurry, otherwise when Ian attacks later in the round, and pins him down, he doesn't have the strength left to force a submission, and eventually runs out of time. My first few attempts, that's what happened to me. But I eventually worked it out, and did the same as you.

For me, Ian has to prefer Jiu Jitsu, because it suits his more compact body. To be an effective kickboxer, you really need a long reach like Jeremy.

Does anyone think that this will be set up, so that Ian can meet Jeremy in the final?

 

[Zara Scarlet]

question for all, maybe been asked before though. Do you guys judge characters based on how they act in other routes? I mean obviously its unfair to judge Lena since you make her do it but, i just played my first secondary route and decided not to go with Cindy because I though Ian would probably be anti-cheating....and Wow Cindy with Axel is a terrible, vitrulent, insecure bitch to just....everyone and it turned me off wanting to do her romance route ever again if this is somehow the type of person she is. Do others do this? or is it dumb to put one timelines judgements on another?

The way I see it, just because they're a certain type of person on one route, doesn't make them the same kind of person if they make different choices. The choices you make define who you are as a person, and you need to try to see these people as completely different individuals, on the different routes.

The problem with Cindy, is that Ian has to betray one of his best friends, to be with her at all. Even if he only has sex with her, and nobody else. He's still doing a bad thing, and expecting Cindy to become a cheating slut, so they can be together. In a sense, it's him and not Axel who has opened Cindy up to corruption. So it's pretty hypocritical of him to complain, about her so far, relatively innocuous flirting with Axel, when what they've done together is infinitely worse.

If Ian and Cindy are dating, then so far nothing has really happened between Cindy and Axel, and maybe nothing ever will, as long as Ian doesn't allow his insecurity and it's resulting possessiveness, to anger Cindy and drive her into Axel's arms. I think if Ian chooses to be cool, and supports Cindy's ambition to be a model, and trusts she won't succumb to Axel's charms, there is a high probability nothing will happen.

At the end of the day, Wade did the opposite, and he lost her.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

The way I see it, just because they're a certain type of person on one route, doesn't make them the same kind of person if they make different choices. The choices you make define who you are as a person, and you need to try to see these people as completely different individuals, on the different routes.

The problem with Cindy, is that Ian has to betray one of his best friends, to be with her at all. Even if he only has sex with her, and nobody else. He's still doing a bad thing, and expecting Cindy to become a cheating slut, so they can be together. In a sense, it's him and not Axel who has opened Cindy up to corruption. So it's pretty hypocritical of him to complain, about her so far, relatively innocuous flirting with Axel, when what they've done together is infinitely worse.

If Ian and Cindy are dating, then so far nothing has really happened between Cindy and Axel, and maybe nothing ever will, as long as Ian doesn't allow his insecurity and it's resulting possessiveness, to anger Cindy and drive her into Axel's arms. I think if Ian chooses to be cool, and supports Cindy's ambition to be a model, and trusts she won't succumb to Axel's charms, there is a high probability nothing will happen.

At the end of the day, Wade did the opposite, and he lost her.

I mean, this is in the context of a porngame, so it's all fun and the way the path played out is a win for players.

In the real world if Wade existed he'd be well within the bounds of a reasonable boyfriend to toss her after she acts so cavalier over his concerns with Axel.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

That's what I wanted, a path with Lena where Ian could just be straight-up like; "I'm fucking around, you're fucking around, no problem, we don't need to be sketch about it...".

Instead you get this crap where she jerks him off while telling him about sleeping around, why isn't there an option to say something like "I don't care that you're sleeping around and honest about it, but we're not gonna do this handjob bullshit."

That's the cuck path. That's the last route you should be playing, if you want the dynamic you're talking about. The cuck path only really works if Lena is cheating, but Ian is totally faithful. The only way I can see them getting to the route you want, is to open up their relationship and take the other path where Ian isn't a cuck. And then have them both cheat on each other, and hope when it all comes out, that Eva provides the option for them to forgive each other, and either give each other a free pass, or go down a swinging/hotwife kind of path.

When they started along the open path, neither of them were really ready for a totally open relationship, because of their recent experiences of being cheated upon. I don't see it being plain sailing, and there'll probably be a lot of angry words and doubts about their relationship, before they could reach the point, you want them to reach though.

I'm not suggesting for a moment this is going to happen, but it's the only way I see us getting to that point. At the end of the day, if you want them to sleep around with other people, whilst being in a relationship, it's a risky strategy whichever way it goes. And they'll either survive or they wont.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

That's the cuck path. That's the last route you should be playing, if you want the dynamic you're talking about. The cuck path only really works if Lena is cheating, but Ian is totally faithful. The only way I can see them getting to the route you want, is to open up their relationship and take the other path where Ian isn't a cuck. And then have them both cheat on each other, and hope when it all comes out, that Eva provides the option for them to forgive each other, and either give each other a free pass, or go down a swinging/hotwife kind of path.

When they started along the open path, neither of them were really ready for a totally open relationship, because of their recent experiences of being cheated upon. I don't see it being plain sailing, and there'll probably be a lot of angry words and doubts about their relationship, before they could reach the point, you want them to reach though.

I'm not suggesting for a moment this is going to happen, but it's the only way I see us getting to that point. At the end of the day, if you want them to sleep around with other people, whilst being in a relationship, it's a risky strategy whichever way it goes. And they'll either survive or they wont.

In this context I dont WANT them to sleep around, but if they ARE sleeping around, Id much rather she be straight up about it instead of having these passive aggressive monologues like "omg but I cant tell him about robert and axel!"

 

[Zara Scarlet]

In the real world if Wade existed he'd be well within the bounds of a reasonable boyfriend to toss her after she acts so cavalier over his concerns with Axel.

True, but that wasn't the only thing that drove Cindy away. Her and Wade no longer had much in common. His idea of a good time was playing video games and hanging out in the same bar, him and his mates had always gone to. And he wasn't prepared to budge from that, until she got him jealous, and then he only did it grudgingly. It's obvious to any boyfriend with half a brain, that you don't treat your girlfriend like that, and expect to survive unscathed. The thing about Wade is, he doesn't listen to what Cindy is telling him, and assumes she'll go along with what he wants, because she has up to now. He's happy to carry on doing the same old thing, but she isn't. She does the things that he wants to do, but he is not prepared to reciprocate, unless she forces the issue by making him think she's gonna run off with another guy.

There's nothing reasonable about that at all. If he'd been reasonable, he would have listened to what Cindy was asking him, and compromised by taking her dancing and going occasionally to fancy bars, whether he liked the music or not. If he'd done that, would she ever have looked at another man? Would she ever have had that conversation with Ian, that made her start considering she'd like to be a model herself? Would she ever have met Axel at all? The chances are high that she wouldn't. Cindy wasn't asking for the world, she just wanted Wade to spoil her now and again, and do something SHE wanted for a change.

 

[Andrea9999]

I understand what you're saying but my dialogue is a little different "omg but I can't tell him about Robert, Axel, Mike, Jeremy, Jack, Mark, Ivy, Holly and Seymour's sugardaddy", I wonder how Ian will take it when Lena tell him?

Well wasn't Ian supposed to be coached by Axel on how to control and handle Lena?

 

[Leongen43]

Well wasn't Ian supposed to be coached by Axel on how to control and handle Lena?

Axel is like a big dog and as such he doesn't like to share his food Lena, so Ian doesn't understand the poor puppy is going to be hungry.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

True, but that wasn't the only thing that drove Cindy away. Her and Wade no longer had much in common. His idea of a good time was playing video games and hanging out in the same bar, him and his mates had always gone to. And he wasn't prepared to budge from that, until she got him jealous, and then he only did it grudgingly. It's obvious to any boyfriend with half a brain, that you don't treat your girlfriend like that, and expect to survive unscathed. The thing about Wade is, he doesn't listen to what Cindy is telling him, and assumes she'll go along with what he wants, because she has up to now. He's happy to carry on doing the same old thing, but she isn't. She does the things that he wants to do, but he is not prepared to reciprocate, unless she forces the issue by making him think she's gonna run off with another guy.

There's nothing reasonable about that at all. If he'd been reasonable, he would have listened to what Cindy was asking him, and compromised by taking her dancing and going occasionally to fancy bars, whether he liked the music or not. If he'd done that, would she ever have looked at another man? Would she ever have had that conversation with Ian, that made her start considering she'd like to be a model herself? Would she ever have met Axel at all? The chances are high that she wouldn't. Cindy wasn't asking for the world, she just wanted Wade to spoil her now and again, and do something SHE wanted for a change.

We don't know, because we don't know the other side of the story, as it's chiefly written from a Cindy perspective.

The thing about Wade is, he doesn't listen to what Cindy is telling him, and assumes she'll go along with what he wants, because she has up to now.

This is true. At the same time it's never really explored how flexible Cindy is - does she listen to what he's saying? Doesn't she assume he'll just lie down for whatever she wants? They seem like a mutually destructive couple, both inconsiderate of each others feelings. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was never in Cindy's plans to do stuff like accompany Wade to the video game thing from the start.

I'm a bit more symathetic to Wade in that situation because he wields less social power.

 

[Andrea9999]

Axel is like a dog and as such he doesn't like to share his food Lena, so Ian doesn't understand the poor puppy is going to be hungry.

He will not be sharing....just combining Lena with Ian into a two course meal to be shared between himself, Seymour, and Agnes.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

In this context I dont WANT them to sleep around, but if they ARE sleeping around, Id much rather she be straight up about it instead of having these passive aggressive monologues like "omg but I cant tell him about robert and axel!"

That route is only there, to provide a possible pathway, to Ian and Lena staying together, once he discovers what she's been up to behind his back. If you're on that route, Jeremy tells Ian that Lena is cheating on him, in the current update. And you can decide whether you believe him or not. If you have a strong relationship with Jeremy, it's impossible for Ian to totally disregard what he says. So even if you choose for Ian, not to take it for granted, he'll still be wondering if it's true. And from now on he'll probably be watching Lena very closely. I reckon pretty soon, they're both heading for a showdown over this. So I don't think you'll have to listen to those kind of monologues for much longer.

 

[Andrea9999]

I like your naivety but no Axel is toxic and seeing Ian or any other man near Lena drives him crazy, if Seymour and Agnes have plans with Ian and Lena that would be interesting to see, Ian and Lena will use vibrators in front of Seymour and Agnes And who would be in control of whom and will they have simultaneous orgasms?

I know Axel is toxic...the scenario I was painting had him go overboard into turning Ian and Lena into puppets for Agnes and Seymour to play with...especially Agnes. Seymour merely turns Lena into a doll...but when you turn people into puppets you have truly joined up with the Dark Side. You can play with a doll....but you always need two puppets to go to the extreme.

 

[Andrea9999]

Maybe it's not so bad if you think about it, it could be what is impossible with their current mentality but if it is expanded by Seymour and Agnes maybe that darkness will become a new world for them where they can rediscover themselves as a couple, not you. Would you like to see inside that darkness?
I love that darkness especially when I can share it with people like you.

It might be interesting to see a loving Lena/Ian relationship exploited by the handlers into a zone where Ian must do what he is told to Lena and see him torn between his affection for her and abandoning that affection for a new violently exploitive relationship in which he can/must do the most atrocious things but can always blame it on his handlers. But what sort of club could his handlers wield over him to give him the excuse to do their bidding?....sigh...maybe just privately threatening to do even worse if he does not obey. That might give him his "out".

 

[Zara Scarlet]

We don't know, because we don't know the other side of the story, as it's chiefly written from a Cindy perspective.

This is true. At the same time it's never really explored how flexible Cindy is - does she listen to what he's saying? Doesn't she assume he'll just lie down for whatever she wants? They seem like a mutually destructive couple, both inconsiderate of each others feelings. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was never in Cindy's plans to do stuff like accompany Wade to the video game thing from the start.

I'm a bit more symathetic to Wade in that situation because he wields less social power.

I don't think that's entirely true. Cindy goes with Wade to the Garrison on several occasions. And we can assume from that, that she's been many times before in the past. Whereas Wade's own comments regarding the kind of places Cindy would like to go to, suggest they've never actually been to any, prior to the events of the game.

We learn at the beginning of the game, that Wade is a couch potato, and Cindy has put up with this for many many months prior to the game starting. To the point, she has to bully him, to even visit his friends or go to the Garrison for a night out. He isn't making a real effort to get a job, and is pretty much living off her. Which would infuriate any woman, if he also insisted on doing only the things he wanted, and didn't help out with the household chores.

Yes, Cindy doesn't take Wade's ambition to be a pro-gamer seriously. But to be honest, neither does Ian initially, until Wade proves himself in the tournament. By the time Wade proves he's got what it takes to be a professional gamer, it's already too late to save his relationship. Only Perry really gives any real credence, to Wade making a living from gaming. All the rest of his friends think it's a pipe dream, and Wade's stubborn unwillingness to motivate himself to anything but play games, does nothing to suggest otherwise. It's hardly surprising really that Cindy concurs with them.

I'm guessing that to become a pro-gamer requires a lot of dedication, just like becoming successful at any other sport. But that might not be conducive to maintaining a relationship. I'm pretty sure Cindy didn't sign up to Wade spending all his time, getting good at playing video games, when they started dating and eventually moved in together. So why should he assume, she'll be ok with it? All of Wade's unwillingness to leave the house, not look for a paying job, refusal to help with chores or even hang out with friends, so he can just focus entirely on getting good at playing games, suggests he assumed that Cindy would go along with it. And she did for a long time, so long that Ian and Perry wonder if her and Wade will even turn up, for the first get together in their apartment.

What Wade does at the start of the game, is too little too late. He's already set in motion the frustration, that Ian or Axel is going to exploit later in the game. Cindy never signed up for him to become a pro-gamer. He should have made more of an effort, to satisfy her needs, if he wanted her to become ok with that. He was asking a lot of her, so it wasn't unreasonable for her to want something in return.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

I don't think that's entirely true. Cindy goes with Wade to the Garrison on several occasions. And we can assume from that, that she's been many times before in the past. Whereas Wade's own comments regarding the kind of places Cindy would like to go to, suggest they've never actually been to any, prior to the events of the game.

We learn at the beginning of the game, that Wade is a couch potato, and Cindy has put up with this for many many months prior to the game starting. To the point, she has to bully him, to even visit his friends or go to the Garrison for a night out. He isn't making a real effort to get a job, and is pretty much living off her. Which would infuriate any woman, if he also insisted on doing only the things he wanted, and didn't help out with the household chores.

Yes, Cindy doesn't take Wade's ambition to be a pro-gamer seriously. But to be honest, neither does Ian initially, until Wade proves himself in the tournament. By the time Wade proves he's got what it takes to be a professional gamer, it's already too late to save his relationship. Only Perry really gives any real credence, to Wade making a living from gaming. All the rest of his friends think it's a pipe dream, and Wade's stubborn unwillingness to motivate himself to anything but play games, does nothing to suggest otherwise. It's hardly surprising really that Cindy concurs with them.

I'm guessing that to become a pro-gamer requires a lot of dedication, just like becoming successful at any other sport. But that might not be conducive to maintaining a relationship. I'm pretty sure Cindy didn't sign up to Wade spending all his time, getting good at playing video games, when they started dating and eventually moved in together. So why should he assume, she'll be ok with it? All of Wade's unwillingness to leave the house, not look for a paying job, refusal to help with chores or even hang out with friends, so he can just focus entirely on getting good at playing games, suggests he assumed that Cindy would go along with it. And she did for a long time, so long that Ian and Perry wonder if her and Wade will even turn up, for the first get together in their apartment.

What Wade does at the start of the game, is too little too late. He's already set in motion the frustration, that Ian or Axel is going to exploit later in the game. Cindy never signed up for him to become a pro-gamer. He should have made more of an effort, to satisfy her needs, if he wanted her to become ok with that. He was asking a lot of her, so it wasn't unreasonable for her to want something in return.

I dunno, I mean what you're writing makes sense, but I'm extremely suspicious of any moralistic judgements in a situation where one side is an attractive girl who's a potential sex partner and the other is a schlumpy guy.

Put another way, I wonder how many Cindy defenders there'd be if siding with Wade all game long opened up a new path where he introduced you to a new girl who was hotter than Cindy.... I bet she'd lose some of her lackeys

 

[what the fug]

The version in the OP has some remaining bugs (e.g. no texts for Ian with more than 1 coin) but the Cindy scene bug in particular is fixed.

Thank you!