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- Dec 29, 2017
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patreons, this means paying people.
Opposed to a lot of leeches who just profit of the work and engagement of developers and their supporters, and in return exercise their freedom of expression to belittle those supporters and rant about the devs.
Even if their self-righteousness shouldn't really surprise me, i'm often dumbfounded by their brazenness.
You're right, they won't.
- Dec 23, 2018
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Well, just my opinion, but for me the last thing this game needs is more new characters that will result in more variables, branching and so on. Especially charactes from another games that already were worked while there is a lot of ORS's characters that need be more flesh out.
- Jun 11, 2018
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Im a bit sceptical about the new character but I believe Eva has a special reason to bring a character from gggb to ors. Lets not judge before we see.
Who is this new girl?
Ashley, Eva, or Natasha from GGGB?
Iris already appeared in BBC porn, obviously Jasmin is not.
- Jul 6, 2017
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EvaKiss wrote very early on that there wouldn't be certain things in her game, like forced sex.Seeing the discussions about probable censorship and taming the content to adapt to Steam's rules reminds me of when I saw some people asking for rape in the early days after the game's first release
I think the reason GGGB didn't have any rape (and ORS likely won't have any either) is because Eva's games are somewhat realistic (as realistic as a sex VN can get without being boring), and realistically, rape isn't sexy
inb4: "real apha sigma chads rape women"
But it doesn't have to, also there is no need to limit his interactions at all.But what about Seymour? Eva can limit his interaction with Lena to a phone call and some interior monologue on her part afterwards. I don't think anyone is arguing that every character needs a scene in each chapter, but still it would just delay things until chapter 11. And in that case Eva will probably also have to tip-toe her way around the issue when writing chapter 10, because of how important it is to the story—which could eventually lead to more work than if she just starts dealing with it now.
The thing is that Lena's deal with Seymour doesn't just affect the relationship between the two of them. It also affects Lena's relationship to all the other photographers, and her job at the café, the restaurant and on Stalkfap. And Seymour's threaths also involve Ian and his career at the magazine and the writing contest. And if Lena rejects the deal, it will probably open up some other work related options that won't otherwise be available. (How could she otherwise afford a tramp stamp, nipple piercings and more horse sized dildos?
Also it will probably affect the relationship between Lena and Ian. Does she tell him about the deal with Seymour? And if so, how does Ian react? Will it differ depending on whether the relationship is open or exclusive? And if Lena doesn't tell him about it, will he eventually find out? Or will Seymour even tell him about it, to show his dominance and clear away one of the obstacles that stands between him and Lena?
It's not like all of these issues have to be handled in chapter 10, but eventually I think they will, and to me that sounds extremely complex, and something that demands some serious planning on how it will all play out, in which order, and how one thing affects the other. Looking at the variations of a particular scene is useful, but it's not even close to illustrating the overall complexity of putting everything together.
Ian? Lena doesn't tell him about Seymour only maybe about doing 'a photoshoot'. In fact there is a non-disclosure agreement in the contract so she is not allowed to hell him
And strictly speaking she isn't cheating on him as she isn't having sex with Seymour (at least for now).Other photographers? First, nothing is impossible, Seymour just has to agree to it. There is one photoshoot with Danny in the last 9 chapters, not doing any more is no big loss. Stan is no problem as long as he doesn't publish her photos. Billy, the Wildcats and Instagram are already optional so disabling them adds no complexity at all.
Her jobs? She got fired at the restaurant and why can't she continue to work at the cafe. If she is modelling in the cafe, the contract is a bit vague about it, it forbids 'all modelling work' but only for 'other photographers'. But, yes, she will probably have to stop it. Which already is a path in the game so, again, no added complexity except one or two conditional texts.
All this complexity talk ignores that there is not a completely new path after each decision, there are several paths (cafe gets saved by Lena modelling/singing; cafe goes broke) and later decisions just change to an already existing path. For example Lena can lose her job at the restaurant early on except if she sleeps with Robert. Now she lost the job anyways. Both ways she is now at the same spot, so what were the differences? All restaurant scenes after she can lose the job the first time were optional and she got less money. I can't remember any scenes blocked by still working. That is not that hard to write. EvaKiss is aware of that and she limits the amount of possible paths not allowing certain decisions to simplify the paths.
Well, we don't know. I agree the complexity doesn't explain it. While it does make it harder, it nowhere should double development time. Maybe the 'rework' is a hint. She was unhappy with the quality of the writing. EvaKiss wrote in a Q&A that she doesn't go over her writing at all, that what we get is the first draft. So maybe that changed, maybe she now is redoing her writing. That could explain the more than doubled development time we see now.
- Jul 6, 2017
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EvaKiss wrote there will be "some" new characters, "some of which" we might know. So it could be a completely new character. As for GGGB there is a limited amount of women, Eva, Iris, Natasha maybe Jolene? Eva can be very different (like dead!) so she is unlikely, Iris can be in the throws of Arthur, but maybe she got over her daddy complex? Natasha is always on option. The image is called pnj.webp, can't get a hint from that.
Natashas book store fits the ORS plot the best i think if it is a gggb cameo
- Jun 15, 2022
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It will be very cool if it's Natasha. She was my favorite character in GGGB, I loved her free spirit.
I wonder if she will be in the way of Jan or Lena? Better on Ian's way. The number of characters in Ian's environment is less than Lena's and it would be nice to correct this balance.
- Sep 11, 2018
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Probably Nat. It makes the most sense that she makes an appearance. Her character fits the spoiler outline the most, assuming the dev doesn't introduce substantial changes in the character's appearance.
- Mar 8, 2018
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- Jul 5, 2022
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I’m not denying that the development of chapter 9 was significantly slower than the previous ones, even if we factor in any increased complexity. Eva was also open about being burnt out through parts of the work with that chapter and the rework. Though I also seem to remember BloodyMares talking about the code and the variables just for the trip with Alison as far more complex than anything in the game up until then. Chapter 10 is also taking more time than the earlier chapters, but I'm waiting until it's released to draw final conclusions on the reasons for that.
What I think you’re oversimplifying, is how you’re talking about it as if the player choices and the dialogue variations are the only things that make the story complex. It's easy to quantify, but it doesn't tell the whole picture. After all, a novel can be extremely complex even if there's no player choices or dialogue variations.
Also you're right that the scene at the end of chapter 9 gives three different options. That's a good example of how the game changes between opening up different paths and variations and narrowing it down. But as I tried to explain, the point where it's getting complex, is when those options start affecting other paths in the coming chapters.
I wasn't trying to argue that the coming chapters necessarily will be more complex than the earlier ones, but since we're already talking about it: I think there's a good chance they might be. As I mentioned, Eva should really try to keep things simple and limit the complexity, but chapter 9 introduces two new variables that will be among the most important ones in the whole game—Lena and Ian's relationship status and Lena's deal with Seymour. Those variables will have a significant impact on both the different relationships and job options of both protagonists. I'm struggling to see how that won't increase the complexity, even if Eva makes sure to keep it as simple as possible, and even if the consequences of it only will come into play gradually.
Yes, you're right about all of this. I wasn't trying to ignore it, I was just trying to prevent my post from becoming longer than ORS' scripts. Also the non-disclosure agreement might be a tool for Eva to keep the path from getting too tangled in with all the others, at least in the short run. Still I think it's obvious the deal with Seymour and the relationship between Ian and Lena will add another level to the complexity to the story. And considering how the relationship was set up, with the different relationships options (just friends, friends with benefits, open relationship, commited relationship) together with how both protagonists had the chance to cheat immediately afterwards, I get the impression that this isn't where Eva will hold back to keep things as simple as possible.
Also I think it's worth mentioning—even though it's obvious—that the size of the story naturally is just getting bigger and bigger, even if the amount of paths might be more constant. That doesn't necessarily reflect in the amount of variations and choices and so on, but it makes things more complex for Eva. Just deciding how to prevent the amount of paths from growing, and which variables will come into play in the different scenes, is becoming more difficult as the story's gradually growing.
- Jul 5, 2022
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My guess is that the silhouette isn't from one of the GGGB cameos, but either way Nat could make sense. And it would be a pretty interesting cameo at this moment considering Ian and Lena just had their relationship talk, and could be in an open relationship. What better way to kickstart that relationship than by meeting Nat on a night out, and the three of them ending the night together? I remember her from GGGB as pretty direct and open-minded, so—if the open relationship will include threesomes—it would be a smart way to make it easy to cross the line between just talking about experimenting together to actually doing it.
- Aug 7, 2017
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New carácter: Natasha or Eva i guess for the siluette
- Jul 11, 2017
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Yea, I guess it's Natasha. Wished it's Iris to recount her bbc or daddy issues but she already have a cameo so its very unlikely. I wonder what's her role here in ORS though?...Heres some ideas I want to jizz over in my mind while I wait for update.
-Nat recalling her time with Jack or Arthur sex scenes
-The "Hey. Me and my BF are in open relationship, wanna join?"
-Nat giving lessons on exhibitionist to Lena since she has experience in the book store backroom scene
I loved Nat corruption in GGGB lol. She's in an open relationship, but still becomes a cheating whore for Arthur's old man cock.
Handing Nat over to Arthur was (for me) the hottest thing of GGGB. Sometimes I play again only to re experience those scenes.
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- Oct 17, 2019
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not my ians proudest moment but my ian will beg her to take him back
or is this not ians ex?