If you think that Seymour treats Lena as a daughter, I don't know what to tell you. He barely treats her as a human being.
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True. But also: Nothing indicates that he is. I can perfectly live with the idea that Seymour finds the smart and good looking Lena attractive enough to use her as his favourite plaything. Just like that. And who knows? Lena might not be the only one...
I really wouldn't call Seymour's treatment of Lena "non-sexual". That girl squirted in front of him stimulated by a device he actively controlled. If you shoot someone with a gun you will have a hard time claiming that you're totally innocent since you never actually touched him.
Seymour's approach may be strange but I have seen much worse. He seems to have a knack for the beauty of a young female body in heat. And for photography. And he pays well. I just don't know how he will react if Lena keeps violating his exclusiveness condition...
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I don't agree. On the contrary Seymour is a perfect gentleman. He treats Lena with great respect and admires everything about her. There is not the slightest amount of humiliation as we have seen it with Arthur and Ashley in GGGB. All they do is consensual, Lena is just as eager to please and tease Seymour as he is vice versa.
Yeah, the Axel thing wasn't great either, since it's basically ignoring Lena's feelings in this matter. Although i can sort of accept the explanation/apology her mom does about it later in the game. Still, it's one of the things that contribute to their relationship being not great.
Having the hots for a hot chick isn't bizarre. It's the length that Seymour - a powerful man who can have upwards of a billion dollars - goes in his obsession of this one that needs to be explained. No one's saying very attractive women are a dime-a-dozen regularly. But he's got the sort of power to have his pick. I wanted to believe in the first 6 chapters that this was a ruse, that Lena was made up to feel so special and important, only to find out she's nothing special at all and that Seymour has a long history of building up and then destroying select confident and attractive young women, maybe to satiate some deep wound in himself. Since I think it's better writing. But based on the lengths that Seymour has gone for this one girl, that doesn't seem likely anymore. It's too much without another connection. And based on the sometimes predictable way that Eva writes, Seymour (though not the dad) previously pining for Lena's mom seems a likely option, given relative age and some exposition in the text.
"But he's got the power to have his pick!" 'Aha! So that's what drives him even more to have what he ca-' No. Preemptively anticipating that response. But it just doesn't make sense with the flow or in the things Eva has added up to this point. Again, I wish that were the case earlier. But his persistence and several text developments beyond Chapter 7 just make it seem unlikely. I think he would've gone for a different approach before now if she was just some random obsession to win.
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Realistically, she will do what the player chooses. I imagine between Billy and Ivy there's a decent chance for optional drugs as well, so things can get out of hand even for more restrained Lena. (though, again, if the players opts so)
- Dec 15, 2020
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For sure. I've never been a natural submissive myself, but part of the turn on for me with both men and women are their distinguishing physical traits. So, when a man has had the strength to endure fucking while carrying my weight by himself, that has been a turn on for me as well.It's for fictional purpose. And I share your sentiment. Hearing that I'm strong while I lift her is something which can be a turn on but this type of thing is just shit and don't matter how "alpha" anyone is he don't need to hear himself or anyone telling him he is alpha but rather someone who hold power over other's or physical strength. otherwise pointless. And I agree if I ever here shit like this while I'm going at her I swear it's an instant mood kill "shrugs".
True enough. I guess it was just a bit more on the nose than what I'm used to with ORS. Since I dislike most of the Lena/Male options in this game, Jack is the first catch-free (it seems) option so far and in a way getting that scene is kinda like going from 0 to 100 after a playthrough of tender Holly scenes and Lena-dom scenes with Louise. I guess that's just a casualty of playing that particular way.
That was what I felt like, heh. I almost wanted to reach out and strangle Lena.
I honestly don't think there's anything special in Seymour's actions. He's got some basic dates with Lena and then does slightly more sophisticated version of taking role of her master, seducing her into becoming his pet with promises of wealth, influence and pleasure. Like, i don't think he'd do it any different if it was any other girl than Lena, either. It's just a rich guy getting his 50 shades of grey on.
"Oh but he could have some supermodel instead!" Yes, he could, but so what? That he's picked this girl instead, that's not some particular obsession but simply a choice. He was looking for a hot girl with some smarts and open to mental manipulation. Lena happens to tick all these boxes to a sufficient degree to catch his attention, so he went for her. One likes what they like.
There isn't an addiction mechanic in this game is there? Like I know that Ian can get labeled stoner for smoking weed twice, but we haven't seen any flags beyond that for taking drugs?
Either way though I suspect that if drugs are involved with Billy's photoshoot, and Lena has taken MDMA twice, that she probably won't have the option to say no, even if she has a will point. Perhaps if other drugs are involved she can turn those down. I'd be interested to see another scene with Emma offering Lena drugs, just without the easter egg game crash sequence.
This is probably not the best circle of folks to ask about sex experience
I kid, i kid. My impression of the "alpha male" and the others like that are quite similar to yours. That said, there is also some outliers who would use such term unironically and actually fit these preconceptions, so, leaving the toxicity of it aside, i can sort-of see it working when it comes to Lena (with her submissive streak) and Jack (with his unashamed ego) If i squint a lot.
Agree to disagree. Again, I had hoped that was the case originally, but the shutting down of all of Lena's other modeling options and the added exposition from Eva, both with Seymour-related conversations and those with or about Lena's mom or childhood, veered me away from that. In even semi-descent storytelling, every detail described has a reason for being there, with exposition always serving a purpose. Sure, there might be one red herring in a variety of stories. But very rarely a full can of them.
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He literally views her as a "expression of his desire" and intends to mold her in such thing. Thing, not person. It's just largely mental masturbation on his part, with Lena being a tool. That's not how one treats an actual human being, no matter if they're polite while doing so. And let's not forget Seymour can be also quite abusive towards Lena, effectively ruining her life in attempt to make her submit.
Thank you, those are exactly my thoughts and you’ve writen it much better than I would have.
No, there's no addiction or even hints of such possibility, so far. Having it harder for Lena to turn down the offer if she's taken the drugs twice before is a reasonable presumption, but i'd guess it might require a will point, than be blocked outright. It'd be too abrupt when Lena didn't mention anything like getting a craving for it.
- Feb 14, 2018
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Barely keeping up with the conversation,
All I gotta say is I give ZERO fucks about anything with Axel.
Of all the games I'm currently paying attention to here he is the full bottom of the barrel.
All I gotta say is I give ZERO fucks about anything with Axel.
Of all the games I'm currently paying attention to here he is the full bottom of the barrel.
- Aug 19, 2022
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Seymour and Axel act like children. So, I do agree.
ORS was legit gonna cost me a laptop when I took the bait.
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I would have said it could cost a will point to not do drugs at Billy's event, but it already cost a will point just to not take the molly a second time. So if Lena has already done drugs twice I think a more severe penalty should be required to turn it down a third time. No?