Zara Scarlet

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I do not see what I was envisioning as Seymour sharing Lena with Ian, but rather sexually exploiting the two as a couple. Seymour can share his toys as he has offered to "lend" Lena to Agnes, and as Dolfe67 points out, he acquiesced to Agnes' desire and aded Axel into the photoshoot with Lena.

I think the other point you made regarding ORS being beyond a porn game and including many versatile elements that attract a broad following is quite valid; I was not thinking carefully.

Also, the idea of grooming Lena to be his successor is intriguing but I do prefer to see Lena in an ultimately submissive role. One element that I think strongly favors my preference is that when Seymour asks Lena who she sees herself as being in the Nietzsche conversation, when Lena unashamedly says she is the camel Seymour completely lights up. I think that defines their lion/camel relationship. But camels can grow into lions so I am not dismissing your prediction. Also I have speculated on a Dubai arc included here. Recently I used the URM code and when Lena chooses Dubai as her preferred destination (based on a "posh" characteristic), Seymour's face lights up and the URM code displays an "evil" tag to him.
Agnes is a woman. When I suggested that Seymour doesn't like sharing his toys, I was of course referring to other men. Obviously at the moment, Seymour is not actually Lena's lover, and he's still trying to manoever himself into that position. So in the meantime, she's going to be having sex with other people, and Seymour can't affect that. But when he does get into that position, I think we'll see a completely different reaction from him.

Axel being in that shoot, was not originally Seymour's intention. He allowed himself to be persuaded, because he wanted to please Agnes, who will be a useful ally to have, especially if he wants to promote Lena's career as a model. She obviously has a sexual attraction to Axel, and she just wanted to see him naked, and Lena's involvement in that scene was academic from her point of view. Your insinuation that Seymour allowing Axel in that photoshoot, is evidence of his willingness to allow other men, including Ian, to get involved in sex games with Lena, is simply not bourne out. Axel was in that photoshoot purely to satisfy Agnes, and had absolutely nothing to do with what Seymour hoped to achieve with her.

It's interesting that you mention Nietzsche, because until the last update, it wasn't possible for Lena to select him as her favourite philosopher, or choose to be 'the child', because of a bug. When you do, it's noticeable that Seymour is taken aback temporarily, because Lena gets the better of him, and he can't come out with his spiel about him being the child/master as effectively, which is him saying he's superior to most people, and by implication Lena. He quickly recovers though, and gives her an evil look, and says her being much smarter than the average person, will just make everything more interesting. It's like he's saying, it will just make his conquest of her, all the sweeter.

But I wonder, if there will be a pathway, where she will ultimately turn the tables on him? Because he's not quite as smart as he thinks he is? So Lena choosing 'the child', may be part of a later option, where this might happen? If she's on the cuck route, Lena becomes increasingly dominant, to the point she laments that Mike isn't as obedient as Ian is. If he were, she could make him end his relationship with his girlfriend. So I'm wondering how far this is going to extend? Will there be a possibility for her to become dominant eventually, and this is the beginning? And ultimately, even Seymour and Axel will be made to bend to her will? In the scene with Axel, doesn't Seymour suggest even Apollo can't resist the allure of glamour, and must bend to it's will?

I also play her as submissive, and until I saw what was behind 'the child' choice, I assumed that Lena could only take a submissive role with Seymour. But now it occurs to me, why shouldn't she end up in a dominant position. Eva does tend to have a lot of different pathways in her games, so there is really no reason why we shouldn't end up with a dominant Lena? That choice reveals a slight chink in his armour, and perhaps underneath his seemingly supreme confidence, there is an element of insecurity, that he just hides very well.

Nietzsche described three stages of development, by which a person can achieve freedom. And everybody starts off as the Camel. You don't just automatically become the Lion or the Child, as Seymour insinuates. For Seymour to be the Child, he would have had to be a Camel himself initially. But Seymour believes that he's always been set apart from normal mortals, so naturally he's always been the Child. But that's a misinterpretation of what Nietzsche was trying to say. Which is probably why he equates the Child with being the Master. The Child is the master of his or her own destiny, but that doesn't literally make him a Master. As Seymour obviously believes. That's how the Nazi's twisted Nietzche's philosophy, to fit there own perverted agenda. And Seymour is effectively doing the same, to justify his own questionable actions. I think he also believes ( in his arrogance) he can reach the fourth stage ( the Overman), which Nietzsche suggests is unlikely ever to be achieved, but which the Child constantly strives for.

My guess is, that Seymour ultimately hopes to make Lena into a 'Master' as well, so she'll become a worthy companion for him, and ultimately someone worthy to inherit his fortune and continue his efforts to control Baluart.
 
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lucadiadis

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Agnes is a woman. When I suggested that Seymour doesn't like sharing his toys, I was of course referring to other men. Obviously at the moment, Seymour is not actually Lena's lover, and he's still trying to manoever himself into that position. So in the meantime, she's going to be having sex with other people, and Seymour can't affect that. But when he does get into that position, I think we'll see a completely different reaction from him.

Axel being in that shoot, was not originally Seymour's intention. He allowed himself to be persuaded, because he wanted to please Agnes, who will be a useful ally to have, especially if he wants to promote Lena's career as a model. She obviously has a sexual attraction to Axel, and she just wanted to see him naked, and Lena's involvement in that scene was academic from her point of view. Your insinuation that Seymour allowing Axel in that photoshoot, is evidence of his willingness to allow other men, including Ian, to get involved in sex games with Lena, is simply not bourne out. Axel was in that photoshoot purely to satisfy Agnes, and had absolutely nothing to do with what Seymour hoped to achieve with her.

It's interesting that you mention Nietzsche, because until the last update, it wasn't possible for Lena to select him as her favourite philosopher, or choose to be 'the child', because of a bug. When you do, it's noticeable that Seymour is taken aback temporarily, because Lena gets the better of him, and he can't come out with his spiel about him being the child/master as effectively, which is him saying he's superior to most people, and by implication Lena. He quickly recovers though, and gives her an evil look, and says her being much smarter than the average person, will just make everything more interesting. It's like he's saying, it will just make his conquest of her, all the sweeter.

But I wonder, if there will be a pathway, where she will ultimately turn the tables on him? Because he's not quite as smart as he thinks he is? So Lena choosing 'the child', may be part of a later option, where this might happen? If she's on the cuck route, Lena becomes increasingly dominant, to the point she laments that Mike isn't as obedient as Ian is. If he were, she could make him end his relationship with his girlfriend. So I'm wondering how far this is going to extend? Will there be a possibility for her to become dominant eventually, and this is the beginning? And ultimately, even Seymour and Axel will be made to bend to her will? In the scene with Axel, doesn't Seymour suggest even Apollo can't resist the allure of glamour, and must bend to it's will?

I also play her as submissive, and until I saw what was behind 'the child' choice, I assumed that Lena could only take a submissive role with Seymour. But now it occurs to me, why shouldn't she end up in a dominant position. Eva does tend to have a lot of different pathways in her games, so there is really no reason why we shouldn't end up with a dominant Lena? That choice reveals a slight chink in his armour, and perhaps underneath his seemingly supreme confidence, there is an element of insecurity, that he just hides very well.

Nietzsche described three stages of development, by which a person can achieve freedom. And everybody starts off as the Camel. You don't just automatically become the Lion or the Child, as Seymour insinuates. For Seymour to be the Child, he would have had to be a Camel himself initially. But Seymour believes that he's always been set apart from normal mortals, so naturally he's always been the Child. But that's a misinterpretation of what Nietzsche was trying to say. Which is probably why he equates the Child with being the Master. The Child is the master of his or her own destiny, but that doesn't literally make him a Master. As Seymour obviously believes. That's how the Nazi's twisted Nietzche's philosophy, to fit there own perverted agenda. And Seymour is effectively doing the same, to justify his own questionable actions. I think he also believes ( in his arrogance) he can reach the fourth stage ( the Overman), which Nietzsche suggests is unlikely ever to be achieved, but which the Child constantly strives for.

My guess is, that Seymour ultimately hopes to make Lena into a 'Master' as well, so she'll become a worthy companion for him, and ultimately someone worthy to inherit his fortune and continue his efforts to control Baluart.
VERY interesting theory. You have valid points, however I have one problem with this slowburn dominant path: it is extremely poorly written. Especially when you compare it to the vanilla/romance route with Ian, which is probably the best piece of writing in the history of this industry.
 
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Is that on the cuck route, because I don't recall Lena being reticent to have sex with Ian on the non-cuck route? And if they're on the cuck route, Lena increasingly desires Ian to be obedient, and just please her. And then if he does, she rewards him with a handjob or oral sex. So if he's demanding to have sex, he's kind of opposing the new unspoken rules of their relationship, where she's now wearing the trousers. I've never come across the content you're referring to, because I've always had Ian submit to Lena on that route.

I do know, that if you have Ian object to Stalkfap after the gig at the Garrison, Lena doesn't let him get involved in it. And asks other people, like Mike or Stan instead. So that would suggest, Ian didn't object on your playthrough. So are you saying, that Ian is on the cuck route, where he can no longer have sex with Lena, but if he never objects to Stalkfap, he's allowed to film her on the Sunday and then have sex with her, as occurs in the non-cuck route content? If that's the case ( and I don't know, because on my playthrough of this content, he did object), then I agree, it's probably a bug. Because Ian shouldn't be able to have penetrative sex with Lena, once the cuck route begins.
It's not on the cuck route, but it can line up with it and later on gets a cuck variable.

You have Ian and Lena date and be in love. But Ian and Lena never fuck. Lena kisses him, but doesn't invite him after their first serious date. She doesn't invite him next time, Ian doesn't push it, Perry cockblocks, she has her period, Lena doesn't blow him in the morning (else they have sex).
In chapter 10, Lena gives him a handjob and he has to cum. There is a athletic option to fuck her, but don't chose it (maybe its always disabled).
Later on, Ian can leave her alone or ask for sex twice. If he does that, Lena breaks up with him. Then, for the rest of the game, they are very strained to each other. Lena can't ask Stan or Mike if they aren't on good terms with her, either, so the same should apply to Ian.

Moving on, if Ian doesn't ask for sex, the next sex scenes involve handjobs, riding, cunnilingus. In chapter 11 she gives him a footjob and it ends with her teasing him that his cock is special because its the only one she will never fuck. This has the sad smiley and is a cuck variant. However, this is independent of the other cuck route (telling him that his dick is just one of the best, not the best in chapter 10). You can have Lena be slutty, but you also can have her be faithfull, low lust and vanilla throughout the game and she can still treat Ian with this blueballing.
 
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iamcomming

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hey. i just started the game. is there any mod what help about the rollback? kinda annoying cant rollback the choices and see what say the boss if i stand up for myself and etc... oh and very not fun always save and reload for each choice
 

chuck69

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hey. i just started the game. is there any mod what help about the rollback? kinda annoying cant rollback the choices and see what say the boss if i stand up for myself and etc... oh and very not fun always save and reload for each choice
the game auto saves. just reload and go again.
 

lucadiadis

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Yeah it's really annoying. There could be a mod removing all the rollback stop crap, but I won't bother doing it
That's typical EK playing with players. In theory I like it, but some of her choices of constraints are so poor it makes her annoying more than anything. One other reason I have eventually decided not to patreon her.
 

iamcomming

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That's typical EK playing with players. In theory I like it, but some of her choices of constraints are so poor it makes her annoying more than anything. One other reason I have eventually decided not to patreon her.
dunno what is EK but would be great if Eva Kiss develop a button about on/off rollback stop on choices. than all of player can enjoy as want. maybe she read the thread and see it. i just hope, because it looks like a fun good game but this rollback stop is very annoying, atleast for me it is
 

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dunno what is EK but would be great if Eva Kiss develop a button about on/off rollback stop on choices. than all of player can enjoy as want. maybe she read the thread and see it. i just hope, because it looks like a fun good game but this rollback stop is very annoying, atleast for me it is
You just answered yourself, EK is Eva Kiss lol
 

lucadiadis

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Re-playing it, the vanilla route is so superior to any other routes it is almost embarassing. Clearly, EK needs to step up her game on all the other paths. For now she has written a perfect romance story with shitty options for all horny patreaons. My personal wish is she explores the swinging path harder, but overall she clearly needs to work harder.
 

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hey. i just started the game. is there any mod what help about the rollback? kinda annoying cant rollback the choices and see what say the boss if i stand up for myself and etc... oh and very not fun always save and reload for each choice
Download UnRen, extract it, and copy it to ORS's "Game" folder. Then open the program and choose the option that force enables rollback.
 

dolfe67

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Re-playing it, the vanilla route is so superior to any other routes it is almost embarassing. Clearly, EK needs to step up her game on all the other paths. For now she has written a perfect romance story with shitty options for all horny patreaons. My personal wish is she explores the swinging path harder, but overall she clearly needs to work harder.
That's just, like, your opinion mate. Vanilla is boring and I don't find it superior to other routes
 

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Tried opening Holly's contents in the gallery for the first time. I thought Lena and Axel had the hottest scenes in the game, but boy was I wrong. Holly's romance path is so HOT and wholesome and I don't even have Holly path save.
 

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So how exactly do you get to the Ian/Holly/Lena thing now?

I was on a Ian/Lena playthrough at first and I was doing Seymour route so I got the scene in 12 where Holly admitted they kissed etc.

I started a new Ian/Lena playthrough to go StalkFap instead of Seymour and now it's changed to where you're locked out of Lena/Holly content if you're with Ian?? The game literally gives the choice to kiss her in that one chapter and the character refuses lol. How do we get this stuff now? Why was it changed?
 

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It's not on the cuck route, but it can line up with it and later on gets a cuck variable.

You have Ian and Lena date and be in love. But Ian and Lena never fuck. Lena kisses him, but doesn't invite him after their first serious date. She doesn't invite him next time, Ian doesn't push it, Perry cockblocks, she has her period, Lena doesn't blow him in the morning (else they have sex).
In chapter 10, Lena gives him a handjob and he has to cum. There is a athletic option to fuck her, but don't chose it (maybe its always disabled).
Later on, Ian can leave her alone or ask for sex twice. If he does that, Lena breaks up with him. Then, for the rest of the game, they are very strained to each other. Lena can't ask Stan or Mike if they aren't on good terms with her, either, so the same should apply to Ian.

Moving on, if Ian doesn't ask for sex, the next sex scenes involve handjobs, riding, cunnilingus. In chapter 11 she gives him a footjob and it ends with her teasing him that his cock is special because its the only one she will never fuck. This has the sad smiley and is a cuck variant. However, this is independent of the other cuck route (telling him that his dick is just one of the best, not the best in chapter 10). You can have Lena be slutty, but you also can have her be faithfull, low lust and vanilla throughout the game and she can still treat Ian with this blueballing.
The only way you can get to the point you're talking about, is by deliberately avoiding the sex scenes between Ian and Lena, which is counter-intuitive. You're not really supposed to do that, in a loving relationship between the two of them. That's probably why you're ending ending up with weird results.
 

Zara Scarlet

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So how exactly do you get to the Ian/Holly/Lena thing now?

I was on a Ian/Lena playthrough at first and I was doing Seymour route so I got the scene in 12 where Holly admitted they kissed etc.

I started a new Ian/Lena playthrough to go StalkFap instead of Seymour and now it's changed to where you're locked out of Lena/Holly content if you're with Ian?? The game literally gives the choice to kiss her in that one chapter and the character refuses lol. How do we get this stuff now? Why was it changed?
You can't get it anymore. Some people claim that was bugged content, but I just think Eva has changed her mind, about allowing Ian and Lena to have sex with each others friends ( for now anyway). If you're on the open route, it's possible those scenes could be reinstated at a later stage in the game. They could also be included on the 'throuple' route, when that eventually begins.

You can only get that content now, if Ian and Lena aren't in a relationship.
 
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You can't get it anymore. Some people claim that was bugged content, but I just think Eva has changed her mind, about allowing Ian and Lena to have sex with each others friends ( for now anyway). If you're on the open route, it's possible those scenes could be reinstated at a later stage in the game. They could also be included on the 'throuple' route, when that eventually begins.

You can only get that content now, if Ian and Lena aren't in a relationship.
That's what I was afraid of. Lol I guess I have a "bugged save" now since on my OG route I got the dialogue where Holly fesses up to kissing her while on the Ian/Lena route. Shame that's a Seymour save but oh well.
 
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