VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[Tallyhoe]

Man, now I really hope Eva'd just cut that part of content, be done with it and never mention or represent this ever again.

 

[aftvisajoke]

Wade should be sacrificed in the altar of post-modernism, all his holes ravaged by dicks of all sizes, genders and ethnicites, to wash away the sin of his rampant and deshumanizing transphobia. I hope Eva Kiss includes that or things will burn in the name of justice!

You my friend just invented the f95zone SJW manifesto. This shit is going to be printed, preached and licensed. Amen and awomen!

 

[lifegetsweird]

And finally 6) The worst thing you can do to trans people is to IGNORE them. Not having that conversation to begin with is ignoring them. Ignoring them is as bad as outright hate, because ignoring makes it easier to marginalize groups.

Do you even read yourself? Lol Maybe you're not the most qualified person to speak for trans people.

 

[redraw]

It doesn't have to be about being 'woke', nor about being performatively satisfying.

 

[jduk]

fuck the pc police here too? ffs...

 

[Reaurt]

My impression was that the emphasis from lifegetsweird on "extremely" was purposeful, that the issue wasn't necessarily that Wade's a transphobe or that he's able to voice it, but that the language he uses is very... striking.

Honestly, it caught me a little off guard too, but I wasn't too surprised or shocked by it. That sentiment and the language used isn't uncommon. Now if I were a trans person playing this, then the language would definitely hit harder and make me really feel bad, to say the least. Therefore, adding a fourth option to at least provide a brief defense of trans people seems reasonable, and not too hard to add, if you're going to bring them up in a porn context without a trans character around to humanize them. Ian: "Hey man, trans people are people too you know. And Perry can watch what he wants, live and live."

If Eva is really worried about this and doesn't want to open a can of worms, but still wants to accomplish the goal of linking up Emma and Perry in terms of sexual openness, an alternative is to focus on a somewhat unusual sexual fetish that doesn't involve a class of people (blacks, trans, etc.), that Emma and Perry would both be into. Subtypes of BDSM maybe?

 

[aifgamer]

Now that we got that out of the way, can we next petition the dev for increased representation of pubic hair?

These games seem to be extremely pubephobic.

 

[redraw]

It's *absolutely* what Wade would say, and it wasn't meant to bash trans people.

I think the criticism generally reflects that.

Nor would anyone need a full-throated diatribe to respond to him on it.

The characters challenge one another constantly and it works out generally well.

 

[hoesssssss]

Android port?

 

[Deleted member 260853]

Tbh I as a Hetro male found the conversation normal dudes have conversations like that regularly and sometimes even worse however I agree with lifeless weird the convo wasn't necessary and could be cut out
I remember a game I played on here and a character said the N word out of nowhere and it completely ruined my immersion and frankly left a bad taste in my mouth so I sorta understand where people who are upset are coming from.

 

[BunnyDevil]

Kek, no porn is not BASED on domination, racism etc.. It is based on sexually explicit imagery that is intended to cause sexual arousal. While porn can contain those things that you mentioned, it is not intrinsic to the genre. You can absolutely have porn that does not contain any of those things. However I can say that porn is indeed BASED .

No one blamed Eva for racism here (lol wut?). Also come on, this shit that Wade said about trans women is absolutely transphobic ("men with tits"? come on). It doesn't mean that Eva is herself transphobic, and no one in this thread has said that characters in this game can't say transphobic things. I would even argue that inclusion of this line is actually good because it shows that Wade is an asshole, so it is a form of a character development. The only thing that people complained was the lack of a choice to call Wade out on this shit. It is not a form of censorship. If a player wants to agree with Wade then they are free to. No one gives a fuck.

No and no. While interracial porn is sometimes racist and porn in general sometimes contains toxic masculinity it doesn't mean that these things are intrinsic to those genres. And come on, maledom doesn't have to contain toxic masculinity, you sound like a bigger SJW than me now lol.

No one suggested that she wanted to offend someone. I would say she is just a little bit uneducated on trans issues, and you know what? That is completely fine. Not everybody has time or energy to educate themselves. I am not offended, just slightly disappointed, because she is really nuanced with her writing when it comes to most issues, so her lackluster treatment of this subject stands out in a negative way when compared to the treatment of other subjects.

No one questions her right to write whatever she wants. Also it's not cEnSoRsHiP it is just a mild criticism. Also, I would even say that she can do whatever she wants in her game EVEN if she is being offensive. It's her work of art. It doesn't mean that she can't be criticised for it tho.
Just so you know, I like this game very much. And that's precisely why I would like for this game to be made even better by giving players more agency over main characters' behavior.

No it isn't.

KEK. You must be trolling here, right?

Lol, you seem not to understand my message completely. And your arguments are like "it's not agism, just because I said so".

I'm not SJW at all, I know that injustice is as natural as nature, so there will always be someone offended. It's just how life works. But unless nobody really suffers from that, I don't think that conversation about that makes any sense. Living in a country with a lot of different races and ethnicities, who have historically complicated relationships, I will tell how we deal with that: we just don't talk about racial or ethnic issues. Any '-ism' ends when you just stop to talk about that.

So, considering that no transes and black were really suffered from that (at least we don't about any cases) and barely will ever suffer, why don't we just stop this keyboard war?

 

[BlandChili]

Honestly, it caught me a little off guard too, but I wasn't too surprised or shocked by it. That sentiment and the language used isn't uncommon. Now if I were a trans person playing this, then the language would definitely hit harder and make me really feel bad, to say the least. Therefore, adding a fourth option to at least provide a brief defense of trans people seems reasonable, and not too hard to add, if you're going to bring them up in a porn context without a trans character around to humanize them. Ian: "Hey man, trans people are people too you know. And Perry can watch what he wants, live and live."

If Eva is really worried about this and doesn't want to open a can of worms, but still wants to accomplish the goal of linking up Emma and Perry in terms of sexual openness, an alternative to to focus on a somewhat unusual sexual fetish that doesn't involve a class of people (blacks, trans, etc.), that Emma and Perry would both be into. Subtypes of BDSM maybe?

I don't think any of his dialogue is unrealistic; within the context of a friendship group that sort of language is used all the time. As I've said before, my personal view is that it'd just be nice to have a more defensive response. By all means, keep the material that's already there in place if Eva is firm that that's what Wade should be portrayed like. I don't think it's really out of place for his character.

I don't think the subject of using a strap-on is difficult to get into though, Emma's a character that's comfortable about her sexual fantasies the subject could come up in any number of ways. It could be as simple as talking about power dynamics in porn, "to have a dick is a power statement" or something like that. Lena can get to voice her sexual fantasy in the bottle spin game.

There's no reason why the reveal couldn't come up in a casual way like that. It could be as simple as Alison and Cindy just reacting to the porn subject that Perry, Wade and Emma for whatever reason could be discussing.
Wade: "Is there any kind of porn you don't watch?"
Perry: "Not the illegal kind!"
Alison: "Even so, there are some troubling depictions in porn."
Cindy: "It's always geared towards men lording over women."
Perry: "Not always."
Emma: "I think power is exciting, I've always wanted to try my strapon on a guy too!"

That's a rather simple and direct example and I don't really know where in that Ian would get to interject.

 

[redraw]

Living in a country with a lot of different races and ethnicities, who have historically complicated relationships, I will tell how we deal with that: we just don't talk about racial or ethnic issues. Any '-ism' ends when you just stop to talk about that.

So, considering that no transes and black were really suffered from that (at least we don't about any cases) and barely will ever suffer, why don't we just stop this keyboard war?

No, man, individually ignoring 'isms' doesn't make them go away.

It makes people who don't have to experience them more comfortable generally.

Also, why is it that you take this so sternly as a subject of free expression, and yet insist so much that people be silent about the subject?

How does that settle properly in your perspective?

 

[BunnyDevil]

I don't think any of his dialogue is unrealistic; within the context of a friendship group that sort of language is used all the time. As I've said before, my personal view is that it'd just be nice to have a more defensive response. By all means, keep the material that's already there in place if Eva is firm that that's what Wade should be portrayed like. I don't think it's really out of place for his character.

Lol, I can barely imagine defending trans people in a male chatter. Company of close friends (men) alone usually make racist and sexist jokes on each other and on everybody else, not caring about someone's feeling.

 

[Een Vieze Vent]

Me seeing people arguing on a porn game forum:

 

[BlandChili]

Lol, I can barely imagine defending trans people in a male chatter. Company of men usually make racist and sexist jokes on each other and on everybody else, not caring about someone's feeling.

Good thing we're talking about having an option that you don't have to pick if your imagination doesn't extend that far then!

 

[redraw]

Lol, I can barely imagine defending trans people in a male chatter. Company of men usually make racist and sexist jokes on each other and on everybody else, not caring about someone's feeling.

If it helps, you might imagine the subject being something that hits home, and can extrapolate from there.

You've certainly expressed yourself in this case, and seem to have serious, genuine feelings about the conflict at hand, and it caused you to speak up and sustain your position.

There's certainly not one kind of man.

 

[BlandChili]

Me seeing people arguing on a porn game forum:

Spoiler: Pepe

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Why? Evakiss clearly cares about the subjects presented in the game, why shouldn't we encourage conversation on the subject?

 

[Princess Groundhog]

If Eva is really worried about this and doesn't want to open a can of worms, but still wants to accomplish the goal of linking up Emma and Perry in terms of sexual openness, an alternative is to focus on a somewhat unusual sexual fetish that doesn't involve a class of people (blacks, trans, etc.), that Emma and Perry would both be into. Subtypes of BDSM maybe?

Seems to me the conversation is foreshadowing some pegging action?

 

[BlandChili]

Seems to me the conversation is foreshadowing some pegging action?

Heh, I think foreshadowing is kind. It was about as subtle as a sledgehammer.