VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 13.1 BETA] [Eva Kiss]

[Ray_D]

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As a professional Cuckologist let me tell you that cuckold fantasies are based more on Emotional Sadomasochism similar to and including physical Sadomasochism(AKA. BDSM). Some people like inflicting physical pain and some like receiving it. In humiliation based cuckolding, it is that but more on emotional level than physical (more mind games, more tease and denial and many creative ways). The less Hardcore cuckolding is based on selfless love, where one partner loves the other so much they are ready to allow whatever their partner does sexually (if the other partner (the one cheating) is not too dominant it can become an open relationship too).

Now, is it healthy? Maybe not. Can it ever be practiced in a healthy way? Probably. (there are plenty of reasons people might develop this kink).

So I would say the cuck path is well written from Ian and Lena's point of view at least and the games they play and emotions they show (so I don't think this is just about pleasing fans). There are plenty of ways to present this kink more interestingly, too.

-Dr.FuckLenaCuckIan

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

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As a professional Cuckologist let me tell you that cuckold fantasies are based more on Emotional Sadomasochism similar to and including physical Sadomasochism(AKA. BDSM). Some people like inflicting physical pain and some like receiving it. In humiliation based cuckolding, it is that but more on emotional level than physical (more mind games, more tease and denial and many creative ways). The less Hardcore cuckolding is based on selfless love, where one partner loves the other so much they are ready to allow whatever their partner does sexually (if the other partner (the one cheating) is not too dominant it can become an open relationship too).

Now, is it healthy? Maybe not. Can it ever be practiced in a healthy way? Probably. (there are plenty of reasons people might develop this kink).

So I would say the cuck path is well written from Ian and Lena's point of view at least and the games they play and emotions they show (so I don't think this is just about pleasing fans). There are plenty of ways to present this kink more interestingly, too.

-Dr.FuckLenaCuckIan

I wouldn't be surprised if that's a department at Evergreen State.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

While I won't rebuke anything you said because, well, it's all true, it's also what give the completed work it's quality, depth and replayability. Having to wait so long is annoying sure, but it should end up being beneficial (if Eva doesn't disappear with the cash lol).
On the part of "no one happy" tho keep in mind the only complaints that matters are the patrons' and they seem pretty pleased with the game so far. So while you'll see a lot of grumble here, don't mistake it for the general opinion around the game: Eva has 7 times more patrons paying for her game monthly that there are people who bothered to leave a review for free.

"Too late to turn back now" came many chapters ago also. Scaling paths down now at the degree suggested would leave many more unhappy & years of work wasted with so many threads ending in an unsatisfying manner. Eva's making enough for a comfortable life & with some pressure off from chapters broken into 3's, I see her working on this till some satisfying-enough conclusions. Though I don't think it'll go the 20 chapters originally suggested. We'd all be geriatric. Best would be to wrap up in four, maybe five more chapters tops & move onto something much more simple. That's already a very long remaining development time.

Current situation does strike me like George RR Martin if he made fap games. "Goddammit, George. I've been waiting on this nut for 13 years."

 

[camube]

"Too late to turn back now" came many chapters ago also. Scaling paths down now at the degree suggested would leave many more unhappy & years of work wasted with so many threads ending in an unsatisfying manner. Eva's making enough for a comfortable life & with some pressure off from chapters broken into 3's, I see her working on this till some satisfying-enough conclusions. Though I don't think it'll go the 20 chapters originally suggested. We'd all be geriatric. Best would be to wrap up in four, maybe five more chapters tops & move onto something much more simple. That's already a very long remaining development time.

how would eva wrap things up in 3 chapters i wonder. Seymour hasn't clashed with Emma or Perry's dad or with Ian. Ian is still in the first round of mma tournament. Billy stuff with Ivy hasn't started at all. I don't think 3 chapters is enough to cover all this. 4 chapters would be rushed. I think at least 5-6 chapters are needed if everything goes quickly from next update.

But i also thought things would escalate in chapter 12 and instead it turns out it's just "holiday and chilling" chapter so far. I really don't think ORS will finished at chapter 16 unless things are really rushed or EK decided to end it abruptly for some reason.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

how would eva wrap things up in 3 chapters i wonder. Seymour hasn't clashed with Emma or Perry's dad or with Ian. Ian is still in the first round of mma tournament. Billy stuff with Ivy hasn't started at all. I don't think 3 chapters is enough to cover all this. 4 chapters would be rushed. I think at least 5-6 chapters are needed if everything goes quickly from next update.

But i also thought things would escalate in chapter 12 and instead it turns out it's just "holiday and chilling" chapter so far. I really don't think ORS will finished at chapter 16 unless things are really rushed or EK decided to end it abruptly for some reason.

That's why I said four or five chapters. See the quote of your previous post. I could see the chapters being a bit longer to accomplish this + Eva's going to have to make a decision here where the rest of chapters are simply to resolve the current threads and plotpoints. The time for adding new points & introducing new characters is gone, unless those characters are simply vehicles necessary to conclude the current threads. 4-5 additional chapters alone and we're already looking at "final release" (ba dum tiss) in 2028. Which is pretty crazy for a porn game that started development in 2020.

 

[ffive]

But i also thought things would escalate in chapter 12 and instead it turns out it's just "holiday and chilling" chapter so far.

Lena/Ian relationship can blow up in like three possible ways, Ian/Holly gets its resolution one way or another, and Lena/Ian/Holly can become an actual thing. I wonder what's your idea of escalation if these are "holiday and chilling" in your eyes..?

 

[Chartog]

No female goes to the beach without painted toenails. Why doesn't one of them have painted toes? Come on Evakiss

 

[timoleont]

Please post some saves at least before chapter 12. The game is good, but I'm really too lazy to go through it all over again.

 

[lucadiadis]

"Too late to turn back now" came many chapters ago also. Scaling paths down now at the degree suggested would leave many more unhappy & years of work wasted with so many threads ending in an unsatisfying manner. Eva's making enough for a comfortable life & with some pressure off from chapters broken into 3's, I see her working on this till some satisfying-enough conclusions. Though I don't think it'll go the 20 chapters originally suggested. We'd all be geriatric. Best would be to wrap up in four, maybe five more chapters tops & move onto something much more simple. That's already a very long remaining development time.

Current situation does strike me like George RR Martin if he made fap games. "Goddammit, George. I've been waiting on this nut for 13 years."

I'm not an heroic fantasy lad, I'm more into classic literature, BUT each of Martin's update is like a hundred billion times more substantial than EK's updates, all paths included and that's a conservative estimation.

 

[lucadiadis]

Please post some saves at least before chapter 12. The game is good, but I'm really too lazy to go through it all over again.

The main pleasure of this game is PRECISELY to go through it over and over again. Cannot see how it could be a chore while it is its main interest.
If the only interest was the updates, this game would have been forgotten long ago, as since twelve chapters ago, kids have gone from school to college, some of us were children when it started and have discovered fapping in their teens with chapter 10 and have lost their virginity as freshers this year, some of us got married, some of us got children, some of us have changed jobs twice, some of us retired, and some of us like myself had the time to change countries five times and continents thrice since this game started.
Only reason it is worth coming back to in spite of EK being the laziest oax out there: the depth of the story and characters combined with the complexity of the branches makes you discover something new each time you start the game all over again. And EK is the only developer in the industry capable of accomplishing this. Too bad she cannot work more than five minutes a day.

 

[timoleont]

Dear comrade. And even though I am a convinced stay-at-home person and only my second wife convinced me for the first time, after the army, to move more than a hundred kilometers away from my hometown, but I discovered sex for myself eight years before Eva started releasing her first game. By the first chapter of OUR, I had under three dozen partners in a variety of combinations and poses, my first marriage and a child. I've been playing OUR since the very first chapter. Chapters up to 10 I was not too lazy to go through it with each update. But now I'm just tired). For some reason, my saves fly off every time, and even if you just drop everything without reading it, it will be two or three hours).

 

[lucadiadis]

Dear comrade. And even though I am a convinced stay-at-home person and only my second wife convinced me for the first time, after the army, to move more than a hundred kilometers away from my hometown, but I discovered sex for myself eight years before Eva started releasing her first game. By the first chapter of OUR, I had under three dozen partners in a variety of combinations and poses, my first marriage and a child. I've been playing OUR since the very first chapter. Chapters up to 10 I was not too lazy to go through it with each update. But now I'm just tired). For some reason, my saves fly off every time, and even if you just drop everything without reading it, it will be two or three hours).

Fair enough comrade.

 

[Akabakka]

So many western VN seem to fall into the trap of wanting to do tons of branches and paths and a bunch of LI which leads to each update taking longer and longer and feeling shorter and shorter even if there is still a lot of unique content if you follow every path, but the whole thing feels unsatisfying for everyone. Having both Ian and Lena to follow already creates a lot of branching by itself, but giving them so many options and different types of relationships to have with each other and with others creates a mountain of work that you can't possibly do in any reasonable timeframe. You end up spending years waiting for the story to advance much and could spend literally 1 or 2 maybe even 3 entire years waiting for meaningful content with your chosen LI. Authors really need to reign in the scope. Evakiss tried to make so many people happy, but I think more and more it leaves no one happy.

While i easily prefer their art-style , and overall the Japanese culture , and Anime subculture ... i just feel that most Japanese erotic VN are just worse . Their update schedule is likely shorter , release pace quicker , but it's not necessarily a matter of western games having too many choices and options . You can pick a few Japanese VN requiring built in timecharts , to keep track of choices and events . However they are drowning you instead in repetitive walls of text , while hiding that they have very few adult content , and some even got very little scene variations . And then the bulk of the regular JP VN are incredibly short . Some western VN you could skip the whole game and unlock the gallery , and still find stuff to enjoy ... (even if i find the idea ludicrous) . It's not rare to have a tiny gallery of pics and animated scenes , if you try the same in a Japanese VN . Some had barely one page worth .

Anyway the point is , it would be weird if , they took as long to develop , as they are usually shorter games with little content . And it would expose recycling experts like Atelier Sakura . I don't think the western VN genre need to take cues from them , outside of using occasionally their artstyle and themes . You can basically find the equivalent of a lot of JP VN , pace and content wise , in titles from western studios like Neverluckystudios (couple , a knight tales , triangle) , or short repetitive adventures from the likes of Dumb Koala Games

 

[Dr.Sloth]

"Too late to turn back now" came many chapters ago also. Scaling paths down now at the degree suggested would leave many more unhappy & years of work wasted with so many threads ending in an unsatisfying manner. Eva's making enough for a comfortable life & with some pressure off from chapters broken into 3's, I see her working on this till some satisfying-enough conclusions. Though I don't think it'll go the 20 chapters originally suggested. We'd all be geriatric. Best would be to wrap up in four, maybe five more chapters tops & move onto something much more simple. That's already a very long remaining development time.

Current situation does strike me like George RR Martin if he made fap games. "Goddammit, George. I've been waiting on this nut for 13 years."

At least we're getting the nuts with Eva, GRRM will leave me blue balled until the end of times

 

[lucadiadis]

At least we're getting the nuts with Eva, GRRM will leave me blue balled until the end of times

Well that's unless you're into taboo/incest bother/sister and this sort of thing.

 

[Xupuzulla]

Talking about books,i love the fact Louise loves those shitty vampire books Ian hates
What a dumb clingy girl,i love her.

 

[Tulrek]

How do we get there?

Spoiler: SLaps

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[dolfe67]

Well that's unless you're into taboo/incest bother/sister and this sort of thing.

But there is no image

 

[lucadiadis]

But there is no image

How would have survived before the computer and TV ? No interest in Venus Erotica by Anais Nin or Lady Chatterley by DH Lawrence ? Well The Kama Sutra has drawings.

 

[lucadiadis]

How do we get there?

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By making Ian a Chad and a Cuck simultaneously.