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- Jul 21, 2018
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Was Stan really reworked? he is still a creep tbh. Not that I care I never liked his character that much anyway.
- Dec 4, 2017
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Not necessarily. Some might just want Lena to be a slut with chads Ian and Jeremy filling Lena's holes in a devil's threesome (which Lena can fantasize about). These complex decisions can't really be interpreted in one obvious way. I can also present a counter-point that uses the same logic as yours (supported by canon): If you want to commit and be together with Ian in a serious relationship (let's remember that both Ian and Lena have issues with cheating partners), you shouldn't have slept with Jeremy a.k.a. Ian's friend who is known to have a code for not sleeping with bros' girlfriends. There's a clear writing on the wall that this choice has negative consequences for Ian x Lena just like there is for Ian pursuing Cindy or Lena fucking Axel or agreeing to be Seymour's toy.
And like someone said, that's also assuming you're playing this game on your own, instead of playing it with your gf who has a completely separate playstyle and agency from yours, and you, playing as Ian, might not have wanted for Ian to turn into Eric because of your gf's decisions. And while that's not the designed way to play the game, I think the game should still treat Ian's and Lena's agency separately and not assume that the player has one grand plan for both.
Even if you're playing by yourself, the ability to roleplay as Ian and Lena differently creates amazing opportunities to direct an interesting story. So I think it's fine when the choices you make for one protagonist, can then result in a consequence that deprives you of agency for the same protagonist later (like Ian falling in love with Lena not being able to commit to Alison or Holly). But it's not really immersive if making a choice for one of the protagonist, removes agency for another. Which is why I think Ian-Holly-Lena drama was so controversial, because players wanted to roleplay as Ian and Lena in their own way, but worst of all, it was NPC's decision (Holly's aka Eva's) that deprived both Ian and Lena from agency to handle that situation in a mature way.
That would be the ideal solution, but also creates a LOT of additional work (as I already mentioned, it would ruin friendship with Jeremy and block Alison / Emma sharing routes or make them toxic, with Jeremy fucking them anyway on the side), and not at all ideal for Eva's gardener style of writing and requires planning a lot of chapters ahead to start fleshing out the route as early as possible. Maybe once Eva has fewer branches to worry about, there might be another smaller revision down the line / DLC that would include that branch, but for now it's important for Eva to stay focused on already established routes and not lose track of them (which requires yours truly to untangle the mess of variables and keep track of all the branches). So if Eva excluded that path for now, it's for clear reasons and is part of the planning to continue releasing the chapters in 3 month window.
Yes, of course, but that requires time to revise everything so you'll have to be patient.
Nobody promised that he'll turn into a completely different character in the revision, but every single interaction with him has been reworked and expanded upon.
Believe me, I know exactly what you are saying regarding MC agency in their own respective sides and the general coding complexity of a Jeremy x Lena situation. That said, my point still stands. If someone wanted to go for a wholesome threesome sharing with Ian x Jeremy x Lena, it wouldn't make sense for Lena to be played as a BBC fantasizing, Jeremy blowing, betrayer. Concievably, there might be someone who compartmentalizes the 2 MCs and play as if they didn't know what's going on on the other side, but that still leads to the same conundrum. How will Ian react to the fact that Lena sexted Jeremy and gave him a sloppy BJ? If he finds out, there will certainly be a significant branching decision.
To be frank, we already did give Ian a say in the matter. His good relationship with Jeremy and confiding in him were his influence that could have stopped the Lena BJ. It's just that Lena also has a say in the matter and was able to overturn Ian's influence with a will point. In an Ian vs Lena situation like this, someone has to come out on top.
This is all something that already happened. So we have to think about the best way to give players what they want going forward while still being mindful of the routing bloat. It would be nice to give Ian the option to find out very soon to not deprive him of his agency, but that is precisely the thing that will lead to a major branch that touches a lot of other parts of the game as well. That's why I was advocating for a prolonged Lena x Jeremy secret cheating so that this branching decision doesn't have to occur too early. My argument for depriving Ian of his chance to do something about this was that this already happened under the player's watch. Lena already betrayed him when she gave the BJ and sexted with Jeremy. And the player wanted this to happen. So it doesn't seem like a stretch that this player would enjoy more Lena x Jeremy cheating stuff.
Circling back to your first paragraph, I wanna respond to your counter-point. Ian x Lena couple still makes sense on all 3 cheating Lena routes that is in the game or being set up. Axel has that power over her due to her training at his hands when they were together. She's been having dreams and such despite herself. Seymour obviously has the financial and authoritative influence over her. And Jeremy is an unrealized secret kink she's been building up for a while now. Jeremy is the weakest condenser for "cheating against her will" for sure, but it can still make sense that she just couldn't win out against her fantasy. Now someone like Robert and Mike would need to be addressed. She is proactive in pursuing these relationships that have no real power over her, so it puts her commitment to Ian in question if she wants to continue seeing them (because we couldn't really excuse it as a mistake).
I think Ian's side has more issues in this regard. Cindy could be argued to be kind of an infatuation that was building up, but Alison... hmmm.
And finally, are we to believe that cheating was not something that was explicitly planned? Would she immediately break up with Ian because of her guilt after the Axel situation? I'm curious to see how things play out, but somehow, I feel like cheating will be one of the core routes on the Ian x Lena couple...
- Jul 21, 2018
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Wow Stan and Perry higher than Axel is mad. for me he is the best npc in the game and his scenes are goated
- Apr 25, 2020
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It was more than a year ago, ranking might be a bit different now
- Dec 6, 2019
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Robert last lmao. He's a whiny bitch so makes total sense. I'd say Robert and Stan are the most useless of the bunch imho
- Nov 15, 2020
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I tried to think through which of the changes in the remaster (apart from Stan) are likely to affect the coming chapters. While most of the changes are meant to improve the story as it was already written, there's a few of them that hints to what Eva might be planning for the coming updates.
- Ian’s pictures and dream of Gillian. It’s too early to say for certain if she’ll show up in person or not, but she’ll definitely play a bigger role than what’s seemed likely earlier. The biggest plot twist would obviously be if she shows up or even turns out to be Mike's girlfriend. But even if that doesn't happen, it would fit in well with Ian's current potential character arcs. Will he stop looking at the pictures and decide to forget about her (Chad Ian), or will he just dig himself deeper into his own misery, in a path where he spends his time watching Jeremy's pictures, Lena's Stalkfap and thinking about how Gillian betrayed him?
- Ian no longer having drinks with Axel. Eva mentioned the potential friendship between Axel and Ian in the latest Q&A, but said that she wasn't sure if she would be able to develop it, because of the complexity in the relationship between Ian, Lena and Axel. I would guess that’s part of the reason why Jeremy’s taken Axel’s role in that scene, and that a friendship between Ian and Axel is unlikely as things stand now.
- The new interaction between Seymour and the Mayor. I think I wrote a post after chapter 9 about the Mayor and how it seemed likely that him and Seymour would be some kind of enemies, and that he was likely to play a bigger role now that Seymour's shown his true colours. With the new interactions between the two, and how the financial problems in the city is talked about a lot more in the remaster, I think that's pretty much confirmed.
- Jeremy no longer sharing nudes of Louise. Maybe I just missed this on my playthrough, but as far as I could see, Jeremy doesn't share his nudes of Louise now. It doesn't have to mean anything special, but I could also imagine it being because Eva is planning for Ian and Louise to spend some time together, and decided it would work better without Ian having participated in that asshole behaviour already.
- Nov 5, 2018
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I am now 99% convinced Gillian will be back as an actual character with sex scenes. I think Eva realized she created a great angelic looking character and it would make so much dramatic sense for her to come back. I would love it if the second half of the game would be focused on Ian deciding whether to try and mend things with Gillian, and of course on Lena's side, deciding whether to pursue her as well. Lots of options this could develop, my favorite being Lena making Gillian cheat on Ian once they get back together, of course
Eh. She'll just be another one of Axel's hoes.I am now 99% convinced Gillian will be back as an actual character with sex scenes. I think Eva realized she created a great angelic looking character and it would make so much dramatic sense for her to come back. I would love it if the second half of the game would be focused on Ian deciding whether to try and mend things with Gillian, and of course on Lena's side, deciding whether to pursue her as well. Lots of options this could develop, my favorite being Lena making Gillian cheat on Ian once they get back together, of course
- Dec 23, 2018
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As far as i play, she don't want a relationship with him, just hook up. So i think the anwser is no. But afters Lena fuck him, you can pretty much make Lena start ignore Robert and prioritize other guys (Ian, Mike)
- Apr 25, 2020
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Sad. I'd have liked an option for Ian to be Axel's "pupil" in assholery
- Nov 5, 2018
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Could be. Or Jeremy could share his photos and videos of her with Ian
Or Lena could add her to her playtime with Ivy or expand her own redhead harem!
- Nov 15, 2020
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I don’t know what Eva’s reasoning was behind not wanting Gillian in the story in the first place, but I guess it at least creates some variation between Ian’s and Lena’s paths. If she’s got strong feelings against having Gillian present, I could see the current solution being a compromise between her initial plan and the requests to write her into the story. Though I agree it’s more likely that she’ll actually show up than not.I am now 99% convinced Gillian will be back as an actual character with sex scenes. I think Eva realized she created a great angelic looking character and it would make so much dramatic sense for her to come back. I would love it if the second half of the game would be focused on Ian deciding whether to try and mend things with Gillian, and of course on Lena's side, deciding whether to pursue her as well. Lots of options this could develop, my favorite being Lena making Gillian cheat on Ian once they get back together, of course
Also we know very little about what happened between her and Ian, apart from the basic fact that she cheated. How did Ian find out? Did he witness it himself? Did he suspect it and confronted her about it? Did someone else tell it to him? Or did Gillian admit it herself? And was it a one time thing, or was it something that happened behind his back for a longer period? That’s not necessarily something we need to be told, but it surely seems more relevant with the new rewrites, and at least if Gillian actually shows up.
And yes, Lena and Gillian together would be awesome! Not really interested in having Ian back with her, but I wouldn’t mind Lena having some fun with her.
really hope next update we got more lena side and focs more on jeremy and axel
You missed the most monumentally important change, a tectonic plate shift, the likes of which throws the entire story for a loop now:
Billy's all black gangbang of Lena can't possibly happen if Billy isn't all black. He isn't even partially black now. Not even 10%. Why, Elizabeth Warren is more Indian now than Billy is black. How does Eva expect the all-black gangbang Billy is planning for Lena to happen now, with a Billy that's entirely white? It's silly. Eva really wrote herself into a corner with this one. I've already put in a bug for it.
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