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With Gillian, I think if Ian moved on and is a chad he will be able to "win" her over in the endgame, foreshadowed by her wanting to have coffee with Ian.
There was a change made in that scene since initial release. Gillian now offers Ian to meet for a coffee if Ian hasn't moved on and admits as much. Also, Ian that did move on automatically rejects her social media request.
 

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There was a change made in that scene since initial release. Gillian now offers Ian to meet for a coffee if Ian hasn't moved on and admits as much. Also, Ian that did move on automatically rejects her social media request.
Yep. Either way I don't think Gillian would invite Ian for no reason and I also think that reason isn't to just outright cuck him. From her dialogue I think she misses Ian and regrets what she did. So if the coffee date goes well I can absolutely see it ending in the bedroom, which is what I meant with the vanilla/maledom route.

This can't be squared with the obvious foreshadowing EK has done for a Gillian cuck route. Yes, the dreams are also mentioned in the Lena cuck route, but thats a very minor purpose for them and they can still happen without that route. So I think there will be a branch in how Gillian is written based on the dreams happening or not, allowing for both routes to exist.
 

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This can't be squared with the obvious foreshadowing EK has done for a Gillian cuck route. Yes, the dreams are also mentioned in the Lena cuck route, but thats a very minor purpose for them and they can still happen without that route. So I think there will be a branch in how Gillian is written based on the dreams happening or not, allowing for both routes to exist.
I'm not sure about the cuck route with Gillian, given that Ian potentially breaks up with Lena over her cheating on him just a moment earlier. So it'd be a weird development for him to take such stand only to roll over for Gillian right after.

At the very least i'm hoping the paths won't be determined solely by whether Ian immediately went "eeew, i don't want to see it, shut it down, shut it down" when the first dream happened, since that's how it's handled for the time being.

The flag and its description also don't mention any cuckoldry per se:
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default v11_gillian_dream = 0             # Ian's reaction to Gillian's dream (if v3_gillian_stop == False) 0- used will to wake up / 1- resisted / 2- gave in
I guess we'll see.
 

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Yep. Either way I don't think Gillian would invite Ian for no reason and I also think that reason isn't to just outright cuck him. From her dialogue I think she misses Ian and regrets what she did. So if the coffee date goes well I can absolutely see it ending in the bedroom, which is what I meant with the vanilla/maledom route.
Gillian has a lot to make up for that to happen. The first thing she said when reuniting with Ian was that she's back in town because her boyfriend found a job. That's a tough pill to swallow for any dude, and Ian indicates that he doesn't want to be the one to make the first move. And I agree it makes more sense in the sense of storyline for Gillian to put in more effort. I'm all for Gillian's path, as I think she's the prettiest gal in the game, but the storyline is too messed up for Ian, and the timeline is too early for any reconciliation in the bedroom.
 
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Gillian has a lot to make up for that to happen. The first thing she said when reuniting with Ian was that she's back in town because her boyfriend found a job. That's a tough pill to swallow for any dude, and Ian indicates that he doesn't want to be the one to make the first move. And I agree it makes more sense in the sense of storyline for Gillian to put in more effort. I'm all for Gillian's path, as I think she's the prettiest gal in the game, but the storyline is too messed up for Ian, and the timeline is too early for any reconciliation in the bedroom.
The problem is the game won't drag on forever. Even with the most generous estimate for the game going up to 20 chapters still risks plot points feeling rushed. I can see a version of events where Ian and Gillian have coffee, reconnect, and Ian walks Gillian home.... and magic happens. Sure it might feel rushed and might not be written the best, but also EK might not have a choice and will have to condense plotlines to the essentials and avoid having things build up over multiple chapters.
 

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The problem is the game won't drag on forever. Even with the most generous estimate for the game going up to 20 chapters still risks plot points feeling rushed. I can see a version of events where Ian and Gillian have coffee, reconnect, and Ian walks Gillian home.... and magic happens. Sure it might feel rushed and might not be written the best, but also EK might not have a choice and will have to condense plotlines to the essentials and avoid having things build up over multiple chapters.
My suggestion os that there won't be many variable option in Gillians path. It will be a 'take it or leave it' option, similar to Slutty Holly's approach to Ian. Gillian will make a move on Ian, and there will be just two option for Ian to proceed.
 

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I'm not sure about the cuck route with Gillian, given that Ian potentially breaks up with Lena over her cheating on him just a moment earlier. So it'd be a weird development for him to take such stand only to roll over for Gillian right after.

At the very least i'm hoping the paths won't be determined solely by whether Ian immediately went "eeew, i don't want to see it, shut it down, shut it down" when the first dream happened, since that's how it's handled for the time being.

The flag and its description also don't mention any cuckoldry per se:
Python:
default v11_gillian_dream = 0             # Ian's reaction to Gillian's dream (if v3_gillian_stop == False) 0- used will to wake up / 1- resisted / 2- gave in
I guess we'll see.
I mean in the dream the choice to view it is flagged as "give in" and what's happening is him watching his ex get fucked, the same dream can then be used to tease Ian in the cuck route. To me that felt like obvious cuckoldry. It probably won't be instant though, I don't think Ian will go home with Gillian and immediately see her get gangbanged.

The scenario I am proposing can be coded as such: Ian views the dream (v11_gillian_dream = 2) and Ian does not "break the wheel" during the second dream. Then when the meeting happens there will probably be another choice to lock Ian into that route.
 
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Not his dick through,i think he finally going to start pimping Lena to other men.
I would anticipate that first there would be a phase of having her exhibit herself to an audience with new toys introduced and/or inserted in further orifices. After that, I agree, or perhaps he will turn Lena over to Agnes for that phase of the action. Your general implication is that Seymour himself won't be having sex with Lena and I agree. I think his stance will be never to let any lack of control (like an orgasm) show.
 
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Yeah,is very obvious EK is burn out,i dont see her working in this game for 8-10 more years to reach that 20 chapters original plan.
I think shes going to do 16 chapters like she said a while ago.
If she focused on one branch only, then she might have the stamina to continue. Too many branches makes it too difficult to keep track. And too few branches will sacrifice broad appeal.
 

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I'm not sure about the cuck route with Gillian, given that Ian potentially breaks up with Lena over her cheating on him just a moment earlier. So it'd be a weird development for him to take such stand only to roll over for Gillian right after.

At the very least i'm hoping the paths won't be determined solely by whether Ian immediately went "eeew, i don't want to see it, shut it down, shut it down" when the first dream happened, since that's how it's handled for the time being.

The flag and its description also don't mention any cuckoldry per se:
Python:
default v11_gillian_dream = 0             # Ian's reaction to Gillian's dream (if v3_gillian_stop == False) 0- used will to wake up / 1- resisted / 2- gave in
I guess we'll see.
I am pretty sure gillian will be straight ntr for the conniseurs

Gillian is obvously a bait and eva warns you about her multiple times in her writting/dreams

Even gives a second chance to forget her...

so if fat pussy slayer 123 goes for her Especting a vannila route thats on you my guy... gillian is not for weak minded :BootyTime: :BootyTime:

Pretty sure gillian is huge nympho that gets enjoyment on cheating thats why she miss ian... because the rush of adrenaline/kick of getting caught that is what she misses...




Pretty sure this is gillian lads .... 100%
 
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This seems to be a minority opinion, but I don't really think Eva is as burned out/ready for ORS to end as much as most people here do. Agreed, I can't see her stretching out the game for another 4-5 years, but my take is that 2024 has been Eva getting a second wind and releasing what I'd call a significant amount of content that both moved the story forward in big ways (the trinity, the first MMA fight, IanxCindy becoming an affair not just a fling, etc.) as well as expanding options for future development (Seymour taking an interest in Ian, an IanxEmma route, an IanxLouise route (?!), Lena getting caught up in Axel's domination again, etc.).

It doesn't have to be that all these expanded things need long, highly developed arcs. People here loved the introduction of Eli, for example, because she was a fresh face and it was interesting to think about Lena seducing a girl outside the Ivy/Holly orbit she's been in most of the story so far. I'm excited too - Eli could be a great booty call for Lena sporadically through the remainder of the story without the need to figure out Eli's past, incorporate her into the wider friend group, etc. Frankly the same thing could happen with Ian and Cherry - or Ian and Louise - and I think most folks here would be fine with that. Or Lena with Jeremy, or Mark, or Marcel... there can be fun scenes without intricate storylines to go along with them. We all love to knock on Robert, but bringing him in again just so Ivy and Lena can get Slutty Holly to sleep with him and that's it, was brilliant.

There's already plenty of intricate storylines to follow through to completion, and whether it's going to be 16 or 20 chapters doesn't matter much, imo, because Eva has been packing so much content into each of the past few chapters. I think there's going to be a lot more coming in the next year, and at a faster pace also because the "new" development schedule of prologue, POV 1, POV 2, epilogue - whether we love it or hate it - seems to be working for Eva pretty well, and whatever works for Eva is what will move the game forward for all of us.

If you want, you can accuse me of being optimistic, and that's fine. Frankly, someone needs to be optimistic around here. :LOL:
 

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This seems to be a minority opinion, but I don't really think Eva is as burned out/ready for ORS to end as much as most people here do.
I don't either, at least I don't think she's burned out over the game as a whole. I think there are certain plot threads like with Holly and Cindy and their various relationship interactions, especially since they were both included to have turning points at the beach house, that she struggles with structuring properly because there are many details to keep in mind.

Holly can have varying relationships with Ian, Lena and Ivy and Cindy can with Ian and Wade and coming up now, Axel. By comparison characters like Seymour and Minerva are simpler to structure because they only relate to Lena and Ian respectively.
Well it seems that several people want to fuck Gillian, we'll see if Eva gives the go-ahead on that. :unsure:
I wanna fuck her with Lena.. o_O
 

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If she focused on one branch only, then she might have the stamina to continue. Too many branches makes it too difficult to keep track. And too few branches will sacrifice broad appeal.
This seems to be a minority opinion, but I don't really think Eva is as burned out/ready for ORS to end as much as most people here do. Agreed, I can't see her stretching out the game for another 4-5 years, but my take is that 2024 has been Eva getting a second wind and releasing what I'd call a significant amount of content that both moved the story forward in big ways (the trinity, the first MMA fight, IanxCindy becoming an affair not just a fling, etc.) as well as expanding options for future development (Seymour taking an interest in Ian, an IanxEmma route, an IanxLouise route (?!), Lena getting caught up in Axel's domination again, etc.).

It doesn't have to be that all these expanded things need long, highly developed arcs. People here loved the introduction of Eli, for example, because she was a fresh face and it was interesting to think about Lena seducing a girl outside the Ivy/Holly orbit she's been in most of the story so far. I'm excited too - Eli could be a great booty call for Lena sporadically through the remainder of the story without the need to figure out Eli's past, incorporate her into the wider friend group, etc. Frankly the same thing could happen with Ian and Cherry - or Ian and Louise - and I think most folks here would be fine with that. Or Lena with Jeremy, or Mark, or Marcel... there can be fun scenes without intricate storylines to go along with them. We all love to knock on Robert, but bringing him in again just so Ivy and Lena can get Slutty Holly to sleep with him and that's it, was brilliant.

There's already plenty of intricate storylines to follow through to completion, and whether it's going to be 16 or 20 chapters doesn't matter much, imo, because Eva has been packing so much content into each of the past few chapters. I think there's going to be a lot more coming in the next year, and at a faster pace also because the "new" development schedule of prologue, POV 1, POV 2, epilogue - whether we love it or hate it - seems to be working for Eva pretty well, and whatever works for Eva is what will move the game forward for all of us.

If you want, you can accuse me of being optimistic, and that's fine. Frankly, someone needs to be optimistic around here. :LOL:
I just dont see Evakiss working in this game for the next 6-10 years to reach 20 chapters or more...
Also im going to be honest,i dont want to wait for many years for the ending,i want to play saves from start to finish as soon as possible,i dont want this game to drag on...
 

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The scenario I am proposing can be coded as such: Ian views the dream (v11_gillian_dream = 2) and Ian does not "break the wheel" during the second dream. Then when the meeting happens there will probably be another choice to lock Ian into that route.
"Break the wheel" sets Gillian's flag to false and makes Ian automatically reject her invite. So i don't think it can be used to determine anything beyond "engage with Gillian at all", especially since breaking the wheel is only possible if Ian has active romantic relationship with another girl.

So, since leaving the wheel intact is basically mandatory if one wants Gillian content, that would make the cuck aspect hinge entirely on that single dream choice and like i said, i'd hope the player would have ultimately more control over the outcome than that.
 
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- Skill levels are close to reaching the maximum (assuming an average run, by fucking everything we can already reach 9 if not 10). If we assume half a level per chapter, then it leads towards 16 chapters -
Chapter 10 - 7
Chapter 11 - 7,5
Chapter 12 - 8
Chapter 13 - 8,5
Chapter 14 - 9
Chapter 15 - 9,5
Chapter 16 - 10
Why are you assuming attribute levels will top at 10?. Relationships levels currently top at 12 for example.



That's good the main character works for you. That is some good side content that everyone has their preferences.

for the later commentary regarding the Holly, Minerva, and villian seymore type characters, these could all still exist in a different fork. I don't see their role as "innocent/shy" or "hot boss" or "wealthy villain." Those types could all exist in an environment where Ian was in an industry that was known for partying and illicit behavior than that of the writing community stereotypically known as introverts. Then again I'm sure Stephen King and George RR Martin are just drowning in
You would be surprised. But maybe Ian could have been an aspiring musician working at a music magazine/publishing label. That would be cooler and would allow for some early stage groupies I guess. Maybe Emma could still be playing with him and would be more common ground with Lena in addition to also fitting well with Holly/Minerva/Seymour. But I think you will always need the more grounded daily job for the same reason that Lena works as a waitress instead of having an aspiring model glamorous lifestyle, it fits better with the more down to earth tone of the game.

Gillian has a lot to make up for that to happen. The first thing she said when reuniting with Ian was that she's back in town because her boyfriend found a job. That's a tough pill to swallow for any dude, and Ian indicates that he doesn't want to be the one to make the first move. And I agree it makes more sense in the sense of storyline for Gillian to put in more effort. I'm all for Gillian's path, as I think she's the prettiest gal in the game, but the storyline is too messed up for Ian, and the timeline is too early for any reconciliation in the bedroom.
The problem is the game won't drag on forever. Even with the most generous estimate for the game going up to 20 chapters still risks plot points feeling rushed. I can see a version of events where Ian and Gillian have coffee, reconnect, and Ian walks Gillian home.... and magic happens. Sure it might feel rushed and might not be written the best, but also EK might not have a choice and will have to condense plotlines to the essentials and avoid having things build up over multiple chapters.
I think Gillian is the worst handled character in Ian's part of the game, specially compared to Lena's counterpart Axel. I would have probably forced a more present Gillian, like maybe she starts working at Ian's job and she's more of a real temptation to go back to the past instead of getting over it, instead of a metaphysical one (with the dreams and so on). There could be interesting dynamics between them with jealousy going both ways if Ian is getting in a relationship with another girl.
 

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"Break the wheel" sets Gillian's flag to false and makes Ian automatically reject her invite. So i don't think it can be used to determine anything beyond "engage with Gillian at all", especially since breaking the wheel is only possible if Ian has active romantic relationship with another girl.

So, since leaving the wheel intact is basically mandatory if one wants Gillian content, that would make the cuck aspect hinge entirely on that single dream choice and like i said, i'd hope the player would have ultimately more control over the outcome than that.
Mmmh, I find it weird for EK to have the "vanilla" Gillian content be gatekept by having to watch her get fucked twice in Ian's dream. It fits for a cuck route, but not for vanilla players imo.

Maybe the vanilla route will be accessible to Ian who has moved on and blocked her? Then Gillian would have to make more of an effort, similar to slut Holly. I doubt the last time Ian who moved on sees Gillian is online when he blocks her. So next time they run into each other Gillian might try to force a hangout and if Ian accepts that would open the path up? Just spitballing here.
 
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