VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[dundun]

Yes, I've been thinking about this as well. While subduing Lena's will might be a turn-on for him on its own, I don't think he showed all of his cards yet. I very much suspect he intends to use Lena to safeguard his future business deals as well. It was already hinted at when he worked with Agnes and how fast he switched faces from being an attentive authority figure (that a type of Lena was enjoying) to a desperate manipulator who wants to please Agnes and their business arrangement showing no regard for Lena's comfort as his model whatsoever. Perhaps knowing that she works in the cafe he intends to acquire, performs with a pesky activist who tries to undermine his goals and knowing that very few men would resist her charms (thus, the constant theme of their shoots being about her role as a seductress and an object of men's desire) made him realize her potential as his negotiations tactics first and foremost, both for business deals and damage control (get Emma out of the picture). He can't outright tell her that and offer becoming his dark Padawan, otherwise she'll realize all this power that she has and he won't be able to control her. That's why I think he put that clause about proactivity and didn't set any limits to sexual contact in his contract aside from Lena's consent. Doing an underhanded "photo shoot" while his competitors fuck Lena will give him an ultimate edge with so much compromising evidence against them and none of his involvement (Lena wouldn't want to out herself like this and become a complicit in his illegal actions).

P.S. it's entirely my speculation based on the facts presented in this game. If things play out exactly the same way, then it will be pure coincidence and a huge success of my detective work.

Ok, I really like the idea of Lena becoming Seymour's sexy spy, seducing and then blackmailing business partners and sabotaging businesses to fail so he can buy them.

But, sorry there is always a but, it doesn't really make much sense. For the cafe to fail all Lena has to do is stop helping them. But either they are already failing because Lena didn't help them or Lena really cares about the van Dykes. This is not Star Wars where decent people become youngling murdering psychopaths in a blink of an eye. And to sabotage them she wouldn't have to do some sexy evil stuff, all she had to do is stop helping them. Which is not very exciting.

Spying on Emma would make sense in a way but there is no need for sexy stuff, all Lena would have to do is to pretend to be her friend. Again, not very interesting. Also I don't get the feeling Seymour is that concerned about Emma.

Seymour whoring out Lena to a business partner can easily happen but the problem with that is that you need new characters for that. So this would be more a one off thing, like with Ryan in GGGB.

I also don't get that Seymour is desperate to please Agnes, he seems quite eager himself. And the clause about him not being allowed to touch Lena except she asks for it, well, maybe he just wants to make her beg

So, while I think you are mostly right in that these things will happen, I don't expect it to be that hot and exciting. My theory for Seymour is that he is trying to break in Lena, to make her willingly accept to be his playting/whore/slave. Axel knows (and is likely helping) and that is why he was so calm to Lena after they posed together and why he isn't obsessed with Lena any more.

Talking about detective work, you have any idea when we will find out what is the whole ruckus about Stan?

 

[thedude]

Axel knows (and is likely helping) and that is why he was so calm to Lena after they posed together and why he isn't obsessed with Lena any more.

I agree with everything you said, with the exception of this point.

I don't think Axel knows about Seymour's plan for Lena. I believe Seymour is just using him for his own purposes, without Axel being aware of Seymour's own agenda.

Based on what we've seen from Axel so far, he seems to be the possessive type, imo. If he wasn't obsessed with Lena anymore, I don't think the debacle with Ian would've happened and neither the way he made a move on her on the last chapter.

 

[Rickster82]

Can you ignore Seymour from the start without him blackmailing Lena in Update 0.9?

 

[Macker]

One of the best games I've played in recent years. Kudos.

 

[ekroniuk]

I agree with everything you said, with the exception of this point.

I don't think Axel knows about Seymour's plan for Lena. I believe Seymour is just using him for his own purposes, without Axel being aware of Seymour's own agenda.

Based on what we've seen from Axel so far, he seems to be the possessive type, imo. If he wasn't obsessed with Lena anymore, I don't think the debacle with Ian would've happened and neither the way he made a move on her on the last chapter.

Yes, I think Axel is still obsessed with Lena, he is just playing a long game. He is calm and collected because he knows that it is the best way to bring her back to him again. And his approach is working, because Lena can get a little jealous about Cindy, before she scolds herself in her thoughts

 

[rogokin]

Could anyone help what do I have to do in order to get Ian and Lena to date but agree to have sex with other people?

Thanks

 

[Reaurt]

Could anyone help what do I have to do in order to get Ian and Lena to date but agree to have sex with other people?

Thanks

I'm not 100% sure because I tend to avoid Robert and Mike, but I think Lena and Ian have to have high enough relationship points, and both have slept around a little (Lena with Robert/Mike, Ian with Allison/Cindy/Emma/Cherry), but Lena cannot hook up with Jeremy in Louise's bed.

 

[BlandChili]

Can you ignore Seymour from the start without him blackmailing Lena in Update 0.9?

No Seymour can always ultimatelty blackmail Lena but dialogue changes depending on how involved Lena's gotten with him. If you have a good relationship with him Lena will accept his invitation to the restaurant without the blackmail coming up (although he is still suspicious) and in those cases Lena can agree to his deal without the blackmail coming up, I seem to recall.

Could anyone help what do I have to do in order to get Ian and Lena to date but agree to have sex with other people?

I think I saw someone on here comment that the only requirement is a certain stat total of lust, 5 or 6, something in that ballpark. Mind you I have not played it myself so I am not certain.

 

[dundun]

I agree with everything you said, with the exception of this point.

I don't think Axel knows about Seymour's plan for Lena. I believe Seymour is just using him for his own purposes, without Axel being aware of Seymour's own agenda.

Based on what we've seen from Axel so far, he seems to be the possessive type, imo. If he wasn't obsessed with Lena anymore, I don't think the debacle with Ian would've happened and neither the way he made a move on her on the last chapter.

Axel says after the deed:

    l "But we're done. What we had it's over..."
    x "I know. This doesn't change that fact..."
    x "I guess we never got the chance to properly say goodbye to each other. To share one last moment together."
    l "..."
    "One last moment..."
    x "Don't fret too much over it. I know where we stand, you've made it abundantly clear."
    x "I'm glad we got some proper closure. I know this will help us move on."

Later Lena thinks:

            "And Axel... What was going through his mind?"
            "The way he had acted after we were done... Where was all that emotion and need to hold onto me that he had shown in the past?"
            "Today it seemed like he had really moved on. Like he didn't need me as he used to..."
            "Had he found someone else? Could it be that he and Cindy...?"

Could anyone help what do I have to do in order to get Ian and Lena to date but agree to have sex with other people?

Thanks

The get the relationship:
Ian and Lena must be dating.
Ian can't tell Alison that he 'loves it too' tell Alison he loves her (on the weekend trip)
Ian either must have told Jeremy that he is in love with Lena or have 9+ relationship with her
Lena can't have had sex with Jeremy (in Louise's room)

To get it open:
Lena must be dating Robert or Mike or Louise
Ian must be dating Alison or Cherry or kissed Cindy or had sex with Minerva or Emma or have 6+ lust

 

[AchedCroissant]

No Seymour can always ultimatelty blackmail Lena but dialogue changes depending on how involved Lena's gotten with him. If you have a good relationship with him Lena will accept his invitation to the restaurant without the blackmail coming up (although he is still suspicious) and in those cases Lena can agree to his deal without the blackmail coming up, I seem to recall.

Do not forget that he pays her 10$ monthly I think and according to her it is a lot of money lol

 

[BlandChili]

Do not forget that he pays her 10$ monthly I think and according to her it is a lot of money lol

... I didn't forget, but the amount is irrelevant to answer Rickster's question.

 

[Reasoon]

The get the relationship:
Ian and Lena must be dating.
Ian can't tell Alison he loves her (on the weekend trip)
Ian either must have told Jeremy that he is in love with Lena or have 9+ relationship with her
Lena can't have had sex with Jeremy (in Louise's room)

Ian can tell Alison what? If this was possible I think I would know that and definitely would have this Option in my Playthrough so call me interested and please explain?!

 

[dundun]

Ian can tell Alison what? If this was possible I think I would know that and definitely would have this Option in my Playthrough so call me interested and please explain?!

Ok, he can embrace her, and that sets a variable v9_fireworks = "love". Sorry for the misunderstanding (and any burst pants)

 

[jimul18]

How do I unlock the second to last scene with Cherry? The one before "Ian confesses to Cherry" tried different paths still get nothing, all the other scenes are unlocked.

 

[Reasoon]

Ok, he can embrace her, and that sets a variable v9_fireworks = "love". Sorry for the misunderstanding (and any burst pants)

Haha it was really close but thanks But honestly it's interesting because I don't look at any Variables so this could mean that the Firework Scene is more important than it seems at first and maybe also triggers Ian's inner Thoughts after the Trip where he kind of realized that there is more between him and Alison.

 

[dundun]

Haha it was really close but thanks But honestly it's interesting because I don't look at any Variables so this could mean that the Firework Scene is more important than it seems at first and maybe also triggers Ian's inner Thoughts after the Trip where he kind of realized that there is more between him and Alison.

Ah, I was only half remembering it. It is 2 steps. First you have to embrace her so back in the hotel you then can tell her that you 'love it too', 'it' referring to being together with her. That sets the variable ian_alison_love which breaks the Ian/Lena relationship.
So yes, it is definitely important

 

[Deleted member 3064965]

Yes, I've been thinking about this as well. While subduing Lena's will might be a turn-on for him on its own, I don't think he showed all of his cards yet. I very much suspect he intends to use Lena to safeguard his future business deals as well. It was already hinted at when he worked with Agnes and how fast he switched faces from being an attentive authority figure (that a type of Lena was enjoying) to a desperate manipulator who wants to please Agnes and their business arrangement showing no regard for Lena's comfort as his model whatsoever. Perhaps knowing that she works in the cafe he intends to acquire, performs with a pesky activist who tries to undermine his goals and knowing that very few men would resist her charms (thus, the constant theme of their shoots being about her role as a seductress and an object of men's desire) made him realize her potential as his negotiations tactics first and foremost, both for business deals and damage control (get Emma out of the picture). He can't outright tell her that and offer becoming his dark Padawan, otherwise she'll realize all this power that she has and he won't be able to control her. That's why I think he put that clause about proactivity and didn't set any limits to sexual contact in his contract aside from Lena's consent. Doing an underhanded "photo shoot" while his competitors fuck Lena will give him an ultimate edge with so much compromising evidence against them and none of his involvement (Lena wouldn't want to out herself like this and become a complicit in his illegal actions).

P.S. it's entirely my speculation based on the facts presented in this game. If things play out exactly the same way, then it will be pure coincidence and a huge success of my detective work.

Ok, I really like the idea of Lena becoming Seymour's sexy spy, seducing and then blackmailing business partners and sabotaging businesses to fail so he can buy them.

But, sorry there is always a but, it doesn't really make much sense. For the cafe to fail all Lena has to do is stop helping them. But either they are already failing because Lena didn't help them or Lena really cares about the van Dykes. This is not Star Wars where decent people become youngling murdering psychopaths in a blink of an eye. And to sabotage them she wouldn't have to do some sexy evil stuff, all she had to do is stop helping them. Which is not very exciting.

Spying on Emma would make sense in a way but there is no need for sexy stuff, all Lena would have to do is to pretend to be her friend. Again, not very interesting. Also I don't get the feeling Seymour is that concerned about Emma.

Seymour whoring out Lena to a business partner can easily happen but the problem with that is that you need new characters for that. So this would be more a one off thing, like with Ryan in GGGB.

I also don't get that Seymour is desperate to please Agnes, he seems quite eager himself. And the clause about him not being allowed to touch Lena except she asks for it, well, maybe he just wants to make her beg

So, while I think you are mostly right in that these things will happen, I don't expect it to be that hot and exciting. My theory for Seymour is that he is trying to break in Lena, to make her willingly accept to be his playting/whore/slave. Axel knows (and is likely helping) and that is why he was so calm to Lena after they posed together and why he isn't obsessed with Lena any more.

Talking about detective work, you have any idea when we will find out what is the whole ruckus about Stan?

I've also been suspecting that Seymour has some additional cards up his sleeve, and somehow will use Lena's sexuality in his business. But as dundun implies, he's powerful enough to get by without setting up honeytraps for his opponents—or needing Lena's help in other ways. At least with the current cast, and I can't see Eva adding a bunch of new characters for that sole intention.

The one (kind of weird) exception is the Mayor. His bio states that he's affiliated with a left-leaning party and has been struggling to implement his politics due to the economic situation. Seymour definitely won't be supporting a left-leaning party, so the two of them are likely to be competing in some way already. At the same time the economic problems could open up a mutually beneficial (and shady) partnership between them. Seymour helps the Mayor with money (improving his chances of being reelected), the Mayor offers Seymour hidden political infuence in return. And to sweeten the deal, Seymour adds a night with his young, seductive business partner.

We also have that one scene at Ian and Perry's place, where the Mayor stops by to fix something in the apartment (only available if Lena's involved with Ian). The only purpose of that scene I can think of, is to have Lena, only wearing Ian's shirt for the occasion, meet the Mayor again. Which in turn would indicate that they will meet again and somehow be involved with each other later in the story.

Though if Seymour's storyline culminates in Lena seducing one of the least sexual characters in the whole game, it would be an understatement to call it anticlimactic. So who knows.

Another thing regarding Seymour I'm wondering about after the latest update, is to what extent Ian will have the choice to support him or not. As of now he's only unknowingly and indirectly involved through Seymour's threaths to Lena. It would be cool if Ian himself could make a conscious choice about his involvement with Seymour, and if that choice could lead to Ian and Lena standing on different sides. One supporting Seymour, the other one trying to bring him down.

 

[dundun]

I've also been suspecting that Seymour has some additional cards up his sleeve, and somehow will use Lena's sexuality in his business. But as dundun implies, he's powerful enough to get by without setting up honeytraps for his opponents—or needing Lena's help in other ways. At least with the current cast, and I can't see Eva adding a bunch of new characters for that sole intention.

The one (kind of weird) exception is the Mayor. His bio states that he's affiliated with a left-leaning party and has been struggling to implement his politics due to the economic situation. Seymour definitely won't be supporting a left-leaning party, so the two of them are likely to be competing in some way already. At the same time the economic problems could open up a mutually beneficial (and shady) partnership between them. Seymour helps the Mayor with money (improving his chances of being reelected), the Mayor offers Seymour hidden political infuence in return. And to sweeten the deal, Seymour adds a night with his young, seductive business partner.

We also have that one scene at Ian and Perry's place, where the Mayor stops by to fix something in the apartment (only available if Lena's involved with Ian). The only purpose of that scene I can think of, is to have Lena, only wearing Ian's shirt for the occasion, meet the Mayor again. Which in turn would indicate that they will meet again and somehow be involved with each other later in the story.

Though if Seymour's storyline culminates in Lena seducing one of the least sexual characters in the whole game, it would be an understatement to call it anticlimactic. So who knows.

Another thing regarding Seymour I'm wondering about after the latest update, is to what extent Ian will have the choice to support him or not. As of now he's only unknowingly and indirectly involved through Seymour's threaths to Lena. It would be cool if Ian himself could make a conscious choice about his involvement with Seymour, and if that choice could lead to Ian and Lena standing on different sides. One supporting Seymour, the other one trying to bring him down.

Yes, that is right! The mayor would be a valuable target and he is connected to the cast (Perry and Ian). It is suspicious that Lena meets him at the restaurant and then can meet him again barely clothed. He obviously was going to play some role in the game and I was wondering what that might be. Using Lena to blackmail/bribe him would make sense for Seymour and it wouldn't be too far out of Lena's comfort zone. And he is not exactly ugly.
Ian is, for now, just a hook Seymour has into Lena, he already threatened to drop Ian's book. Ian might very well become Seymour's creature, Seymour can control both his job and his book deals. But Seymour isn't interested into him, he wants Lena.

 

[Mesmerizet]

I can't believe one thing though.

9 versions and no Stan scene? Lol.
Not like I want it. My top picks are usually Cindy x anyone and Jeremy x Lena probably

 

[Shadowndev99]

I can't believe one thing though.

9 versions and no Stan scene? Lol.
Not like I want it. My top picks are usually Cindy x anyone and Jeremy x Lena probably

I think Stan and other will be dlc after the game finished if they didn't get good story in the next updates