Redgy

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In fact, I'm talking about flaws in game design.
Some people are talking about the difference between reality and games.

My main point is that the "relationship" element in the game has so far been meaningless.
As long as you make some important options right, it doesn't matter if the relationship is not improved, and the plot will still unfold.

So what's the point of enhancing relationship?
The element preset by the game developer becomes meaningless~

Watch me "play" with Cindy's plot.

1. Don't flatter her from the beginning.
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2. Play pool. Let her lose twice.

3. Can't follow to "Shine". So there is no follow-up photography plot~
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4. This is a Bug, you did not go to take pictures with her, this dialogue option should not be available.
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5. The refusal does not affect the follow-up.

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6. This option is the most important.
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7. Chase her.

8. Look at the relationship at the moment.
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9. The relationship is cold, but you can still fuck her.
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So "enhancing relationship" doesn't make any sense~
Well, if you think that the culmination of "Cindy's plot" is her sex scene then congratulation you have won the game xd You seem to misunderstand the point of a visual novel, however, which is not to get a many sex scenes as possible. As for the reason to "enhancing relationship", well, I think everyone knows that the only way you can get Alison to bark during one of the sex scene is to have her relationship maxed out. Same with getting Mike to stay with you after sex. You can also have sex with Minerva even if you hate each other but you can't ask her to treat you better unless your relationship are at a certain level, which, I'm guessing, will eventually unlock a romantic path for her and Ian. So yeah, I thnk that the whole point of "enhancing relationship" is to have something more than casual sex out of character interactions.
 

BloodyMares

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Watch me "play" with Cindy's plot.
[snip]
So "enhancing relationship" doesn't make any sense~
You left one detail out. When Ian sees Cindy's peoplegram photo for the first time, what was your response (Comment/Like/Ignore)? I assume you chose to leave a comment and show your appreciation to Cindy in the process. It sets up Ian's level of interest in Cindy regardless of their relationship. I think it's natural that Ian with a high sexual interest in Cindy would want to dance close to her, even if he doesn't quite like her attitude. However, what doesn't make sense is that Cindy goes along with it if she didn't share any personal moments with Ian (Shine/Gallery/Shoot). So, I agree that it should have more of an impact and Ian should probably face rejection in this case. Thank you for this report.
 

manscout

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Jun 13, 2018
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In fact, I'm talking about flaws in game design.
Some people are talking about the difference between reality and games.

My main point is that the "relationship" element in the game has so far been meaningless.
As long as you make some important options right, it doesn't matter if the relationship is not improved, and the plot will still unfold.

So what's the point of enhancing relationship?
The element preset by the game developer becomes meaningless~

Watch me "play" with Cindy's plot.

1. Don't flatter her from the beginning.
View attachment 1488247

2. Play pool. Let her lose twice.

3. Can't follow to "Shine". So there is no follow-up photography plot~
View attachment 1488248


4. This is a Bug, you did not go to take pictures with her, this dialogue option should not be available.
View attachment 1488250

5. The refusal does not affect the follow-up.

View attachment 1488251


6. This option is the most important.
View attachment 1488252

7. Chase her.

8. Look at the relationship at the moment.
View attachment 1488256


9. The relationship is cold, but you can still fuck her.
View attachment 1488261

So "enhancing relationship" doesn't make any sense~
It is an issue most patreon games or "gardener" type devs run into where they setup a lot of potential mechanics and routes but never end up developing them to their full extent in virtue of needing to keep working in the core elements of their game every update (making sure there are sex scenes in the update, making sure the most popular characters are showing up, etc).

Odds are that for many characters the relationship points will just ammount to superficial changes in dialogue or maybe to gate the player from reaching their endgame (i.e, even if the current early Cindy content remains available in a "mostly just pissed her off" playthrough you will likely be blocked from actually ending up with her and getting a "good ending").

It can be a bit dissapointing when you find out at the end of the day that it wasn't important at all to care about maintaining the relationship between 2 characters (i.e, if you sleep with Louise at all, Lena's relationship with her gets set to a fixed value in the latest update, making it completely irrelevant if you antagonized her before regarding Stan or Jeremy and Ivy), but I personally don't mind it too much when considering the context of the limitations the dev has to work with, and even if many of those variables still end up being irrelevant in the end, min-maxing them can still be fun in a metagame sense while the game is still being developed.
 

AchedCroissant

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May 29, 2020
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it's new (added by EVA herself) I think it's related to the open relationship Ian can suggest to Lena.
By definition I don't think the NTR applies there since both are giving the green light

It would be more like each one fucking behind the backs of other

But I can be wrong I'm not very expert in the genre
 

cognu

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There is a scenario when NTR can happen.
Both committed to each others, without green light, just being exclusive (choosing the rings with Ian at the Park, and Lena not fooling around (just going along with Seymour and fantasizing with Axel).

Ian can cheat on Lena after forming their exclusive relationship with Cindy, and Lena can do the same with Axel (And Seymour). So yes, by definition, both MC can NTR each other...
The fun thing, is that they can cheat on each other in the same time frame, Ian leves with Cindy and Lena starts the photoshoot with Axel.

The thing that it's going to be sad now, is that this thread is going to be full with the same questions about NTR by people who won't be bother to read , asking "avoidable?", "is there ntr with X?", "how you get ntr?". And it's going to flood the discussion as it happens to every game that has the tag...

A shame...
 
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oopsoops

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that's mean my boy Ian still in development even he's already 26, or he did some penis enlargement when we didn't know. :BootyTime:
I guess it's because a lot of fans want Ian to be the alpha male. I think it was mentioned that Ian is "very good in bed" too.
This might please a lot of fans, but in my opinion it makes the story less special because it reduces the contrast between Axel and Ian.
 

BorgiaBou

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yh cuz during the early chapters u could see him able to cover his entire dick with just his one hand but now it's almost as big as Holly's face
Yeah you right, i remember when i played the first release i was like... heck yeah finally a character with a normal dick size and then bang his dick is getting larger with every update, wtf at this pace Ian's dick will be bigger than Jeremy's:)))
 

Rickster82

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It doesn't depend on the size, but on the technique. Also, what use 30 cm for a man if the fun only lasts 5 minutes.
 
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