VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[NewSeal]

I kinda miss old Stan even though I just found out about him not too long ago. Why did Eva even decide to change him? Maybe Patreons couldn't self insert effectively

The self-insert on Stan thing never made much sense to me because when loser basement dwellers play these types of adult VNs, they don't usually project themselves onto it as they are, but rather in a power fantasy way, imagining themselves as the handsome Chad who fucks any woman who breathes (just look at 2/3 of the games on this site), so this being the explanation as to why Eva's patrons love Stan so much never really sat right with me.

 

[Blurpee69]

The self-insert on Stan thing never made much sense to me because when loser basement dwellers play these types of adult VNs, they don't usually project themselves onto it as they are, but rather in a power fantasy way, imagining themselves as the handsome Chad who fucks any woman who breathes (just look at 2/3 of the games on this site), so this being the explanation as to why Eva's patrons love Stan so much never really sat right with me.

I don't think it's a self insert type of thing. I think it's a further extension of the power fantasy. Rather than being the loser simp, they have a loser simp to look down on. Usually the power fantasy is taking the girl away from some other dude, usually one that very clearly doesn't deserve the girl he has. Not so with Stan, just someone to look down on and be a punching bag, not so much for the characters but for the players. Although EK has given a lot of good reasons for the characters to hate Stan too.

 

[SerHawkes]

The funny thing is though, with Stans "rework" is that nothing changed with him. He was still the shy, awkward person he is now as he was then. The only things that were changed were asking him to the Gala. Nothing else with his character was altered or changed to make impact.

 

[ffive]

The self-insert on Stan thing never made much sense to me because when loser basement dwellers play these types of adult VNs, they don't usually project themselves onto it as they are, but rather in a power fantasy way, imagining themselves as the handsome Chad who fucks any woman who breathes (just look at 2/3 of the games on this site), so this being the explanation as to why Eva's patrons love Stan so much never really sat right with me.

I think a large part of it is that there aren't really many porn games where the incel loser is even featured, much less being featured as the women magnet with multiple ROs falling for his questionable charms. So this is a rare game where they can have this power fantasy as actual "themselves".

 

[pinokkio]

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Could you please tell me how to reach this flag? I’ve gone through the entire walkthrough, and for Lena to be able to date Mark, Holly needs to not be dating him. But at the same time, Holly needs to get the “encourage Holly: [hooking up, voyeur, incite her]#314” tag. How can I fulfill both conditions at the same time?

 

[Blurpee69]

The funny thing is though, with Stans "rework" is that nothing changed with him. He was still the shy, awkward person he is now as he was then. The only things that were changed were asking him to the Gala. Nothing else with his character was altered or changed to make impact.

I would argue that's incorrect. Stan's introduction used to be him cooking breakfast, then offering to make some for Lena as well. Now it's him taking an unsolicited picture of Lola. He and Lena spent more time bonding over his job, being able to work from home or really anywhere. A discussion that he initiated, and not Lena trying to probe it out of him. That immediately makes him a far more endearing character. Especially since it makes him comparable to Ian and later a contrast to Robert and Axel. It also sets up Stan as wanting to be more than he is, mentioning he's lonely sitting in his room all day, but that he usually isn't given a chance, as we learn through Louis, seemingly because of his appearance.

Those changes, along with the aforementioned gala changes, makes it clear that Stan was heading in a different direction. Certainly there were still potential traces of Stan's more voyeueristic and creepy personality, the panty theft plot point still existed after all. But those personality traits were not at the forefront of his character, like they are now.

 

[varpep]

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Could you please tell me how to reach this flag? I’ve gone through the entire walkthrough, and for Lena to be able to date Mark, Holly needs to not be dating him. But at the same time, Holly needs to get the “encourage Holly: [hooking up, voyeur, incite her]#314” tag. How can I fulfill both conditions at the same time?

Woah boy. This one took me a while to achieve. But thanks to BlandChili and ffive I got it. Basically you want to have Holly be at exactly holly_change=3 when she meets Mark at the nightclub also you should have Lena protect Holly from Ivy when Ivy suggests dating Mark. When Mark is talking with Holly at the club don't interrupt them. Holly will afterwards ask Lena and Ivy if she should go with Mark. Choose to let Holly decide for herself. She will consider seeing Mark but not that night. This leaves Mark free for Lena to dance with and suck his cock in the bathroom. You will later receive a text from Mark. Express interest in him. Also encourage Holly to sleep with Mark in chapter 11 when she calls you. At the end of chapter 11 accept Mark's invitation and sleep with him. You can then date Mark in chapter 13 and arrange a threesome with Holly. Godspeed Hermano! Feel free to ping me if you run into any hiccups.

 

[SerHawkes]

I would argue that's incorrect. Stan's introduction used to be him cooking breakfast, then offering to make some for Lena as well. Now it's him taking an unsolicited picture of Lola. He and Lena spent more time bonding over his job, being able to work from home or really anywhere. A discussion that he initiated, and not Lena trying to probe it out of him. That immediately makes him a far more endearing character. Especially since it makes him comparable to Ian and later a contrast to Robert and Axel. It also sets up Stan as wanting to be more than he is, mentioning he's lonely sitting in his room all day, but that he usually isn't given a chance, as we learn through Louis, seemingly because of his appearance.

Those changes, along with the aforementioned gala changes, makes it clear that Stan was heading in a different direction. Certainly there were still potential traces of Stan's more voyeueristic and creepy personality, the panty theft plot point still existed after all. But those personality traits were not at the forefront of his character, like they are now.

To some measure, sure. I'd certainly argue EK could have had Stan be a more unique character and not some a troupe of some after mentioned basement dwelling incel. He could have a decent guy who is decent looking (and not the stereotypical looking fat nerd) entirely wholesome yet awkward as hell around women, being flustered yet not make him out to be a creepy voyeur. Hell, same could be said for Jeremy. She could have had him be a chill guy trying to find love and questioning his relationship with Louise in some manner and not the proto-typical black guy troupe found in every porn/fanfic imaginable.

There are alot of things that EK could have done differently, had she both the imagination and actual backbone to stick with it of course. But as for now, Stan is pretty much a entirely forgettable character who has and adds no impact to the story other than possible cheap alternatives to some measure of things. Pretty much on par with Mike and Robert in that department.

 

[Blurpee69]

To some measure, sure. I'd certainly argue EK could have had Stan be a more unique character and not some a troupe of some after mentioned basement dwelling incel. He could have a decent guy who is decent looking (and not the stereotypical looking fat nerd) entirely wholesome yet awkward as hell around women, being flustered yet not make him out to be a creepy voyeur. Hell, same could be said for Jeremy. She could have had him be a chill guy trying to find love and questioning his relationship with Louise in some manner and not the proto-typical black guy troupe found in every porn/fanfic imaginable.

There are alot of things that EK could have done differently, had she both the imagination and actual backbone to stick with it of course. But as for now, Stan is pretty much a entirely forgettable character who has and adds no impact to the story other than possible cheap alternatives to some measure of things. Pretty much on par with Mike and Robert in that department.

This isn't, at least how I'm choosing to look at it, a discussion about what could have been for Stan throughout the multiverse. I'm talking about what he actually WAS and how that incarnation of the character could have developed. Obviously all we can do is speculate, as that incarnation didn't last long. But I think would have made for a more interesting storyline, a better self insert for the archetype who Stan is supposed to represent, and fixed the issue that Lena doesn't really have a decent male LI outside of Ian; but only if the player chooses to make Ian a decent character.

 

[varpep]

but only if the player chooses to make Ian a decent character

In all my saves Ian is always a slut but a slut with a heart of gold

 

[Markel100]

That coffession scene really hurt stans character for me my Lena was cordial at best with him who was already in a relationship with Ian. He does this my love is greater than his bs. Granted he does begin to work on himself after getting shot down but, to me he should've started his self improvement with out it so players can go maybe I should check his route out since he's working on his self without our agency.

 

[CaiWez]

Woah boy. This one took me a while to achieve. But thanks to BlandChili and ffive I got it. Basically you want to have Holly be at exactly holly_change=3 when she meets Mark at the nightclub also you should have Lena protect Holly from Ivy when Ivy suggests dating Mark. When Mark is talking with Holly at the club don't interrupt them. Holly will afterwards ask Lena and Ivy if she should go with Mark. Choose to let Holly decide for herself. She will consider seeing Mark but not that night. This leaves Mark free for Lena to dance with and suck his cock in the bathroom. You will later receive a text from Mark. Express interest in him. Also encourage Holly to sleep with Mark in chapter 11 when she calls you. At the end of chapter 11 accept Mark's invitation and sleep with him. You can then date Mark in chapter 13 and arrange a threesome with Holly. Godspeed Hermano! Feel free to ping me if you run into any hiccups.

What are the choices for holly_change=3?

 

[SerHawkes]

That coffession scene really hurt stans character for me my Lena was cordial at best with him who was already in a relationship with Ian. He does this my love is greater than his bs. Granted he does begin to work on himself after getting shot down but, to me he should've started his self improvement with out it so players can go maybe I should check his route out since he's working on his self without our agency.

The most laughable moment is the dude tries to make it out that he is better than Ian and would be better for her. Like bro... How fucking delusioned are you? And he still goes with his confession. I do agree though, if he was to work on him self prior to his brain dead confession, maybe. Hell, I still think he and Louise are ment for each other. Atleast he would likely give her the attention and shit she craves without most of the bullshit.

 

[Markel100]

The most laughable moment is the dude tries to make it out that he is better than Ian and would be better for her. Like bro... How fucking delusioned are you? And he still goes with his confession. I do agree though, if he was to work on him self prior to his brain dead confession, maybe. Hell, I still think he and Louise are ment for each other. Atleast he would likely give her the attention and shit she craves without most of the bullshit.

You summed it up perfectly but, it's not even working on himself prior he shouldn't have did it if ur Lena is dating Ian. What I would've done if I was EK after the party when Stan sees Lena is taken he goes for that run he does the next day to work on himself. Lena can still be the reason for his self improvement without our agency basically the opposite of perry who we have to constantly nudge him the right direction to score with Emma or cherry. He would have a way stronger player base here with those changes.

 

[varpep]

What are the choices for holly_change=3?

When Holly says Lena is pretty, say yes she is (+1).

When Ivy tries to convince Holly to try another dildo, let Holly choose (0).

When talking to Marcel with Holly for the first time, don't pick "She's a writer"(0).

When Ivy wants to give Holly Mark's number, protect Holly (0).

When at Ivy's place with Holly, drink the wine (+1). Also don't let Ivy have sex with Holly (0).

During Holly's nude photoshoot, "nudge Holly" (+1).

 

[Nifferman]

Holly was bisexual since the game started, her route with Lena was evident right away.

Bi-curious would be the right word.

 

[Swiver]

The most laughable moment is the dude tries to make it out that he is better than Ian and would be better for her. Like bro... How fucking delusioned are you?

I think that's a fairly common delusion with people imagining what could be while being in unrequited love, not only out of their league but even of incompatible lifestyles, cultures or even unavailable people. If anything it's the whole exaggerated Chad-Cuck universal hierarchy becoming gospel that's rather new to me and sounds unrealistic. Whole point of the INCEL thing is that entertainment and social media overly defined who's desirable, telling the guys they aren't Chads and that the girl next to them isn't... Britney?, and the inevitable day to day frustrations confirmed it. I don't think I'm imagining that European millennials are healthier on average.

 

[NewSeal]

In all my saves Ian is always a slut but a slut with a heart of gold

Hey male sluts need representation too.

 

[SerHawkes]

Hey male sluts need representation too.

Damn right we do.

 

[SerHawkes]

You summed it up perfectly but, it's not even working on himself prior he shouldn't have did it if ur Lena is dating Ian. What I would've done if I was EK after the party when Stan sees Lena is taken he goes for that run he does the next day to work on himself. Lena can still be the reason for his self improvement without our agency basically the opposite of perry who we have to constantly nudge him the right direction to score with Emma or cherry. He would have a way stronger player base here with those changes.

Honestly yeah, having him see Ian with Lena would have been enough to say 'Oh, so she is taken. Maybe I should work on myself a bit. Maybe then she might notice or someone else will.' Instead we get cringe confession time.

And your right, with Stan we can gently encourage him to improve himself where as with Perry it's this constant bullshit shitshow of nagging on him to do something. Honestly don't feel bad for taking Emma away from him. Atleast he as Cherry... Oh... wait...