Markel100

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That coffession scene really hurt stans character for me my Lena was cordial at best with him who was already in a relationship with Ian. He does this my love is greater than his bs. Granted he does begin to work on himself after getting shot down but, to me he should've started his self improvement with out it so players can go maybe I should check his route out since he's working on his self without our agency.
 
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Woah boy. This one took me a while to achieve. But thanks to BlandChili and ffive I got it. Basically you want to have Holly be at exactly holly_change=3 when she meets Mark at the nightclub also you should have Lena protect Holly from Ivy when Ivy suggests dating Mark. When Mark is talking with Holly at the club don't interrupt them. Holly will afterwards ask Lena and Ivy if she should go with Mark. Choose to let Holly decide for herself. She will consider seeing Mark but not that night. This leaves Mark free for Lena to dance with and suck his cock in the bathroom. You will later receive a text from Mark. Express interest in him. Also encourage Holly to sleep with Mark in chapter 11 when she calls you. At the end of chapter 11 accept Mark's invitation and sleep with him. You can then date Mark in chapter 13 and arrange a threesome with Holly. Godspeed Hermano! Feel free to ping me if you run into any hiccups.
What are the choices for holly_change=3?
 

SerHawkes

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That coffession scene really hurt stans character for me my Lena was cordial at best with him who was already in a relationship with Ian. He does this my love is greater than his bs. Granted he does begin to work on himself after getting shot down but, to me he should've started his self improvement with out it so players can go maybe I should check his route out since he's working on his self without our agency.
The most laughable moment is the dude tries to make it out that he is better than Ian and would be better for her. Like bro... How fucking delusioned are you? And he still goes with his confession. I do agree though, if he was to work on him self prior to his brain dead confession, maybe. Hell, I still think he and Louise are ment for each other. Atleast he would likely give her the attention and shit she craves without most of the bullshit.
 

Markel100

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The most laughable moment is the dude tries to make it out that he is better than Ian and would be better for her. Like bro... How fucking delusioned are you? And he still goes with his confession. I do agree though, if he was to work on him self prior to his brain dead confession, maybe. Hell, I still think he and Louise are ment for each other. Atleast he would likely give her the attention and shit she craves without most of the bullshit.
You summed it up perfectly but, it's not even working on himself prior he shouldn't have did it if ur Lena is dating Ian. What I would've done if I was EK after the party when Stan sees Lena is taken he goes for that run he does the next day to work on himself. Lena can still be the reason for his self improvement without our agency basically the opposite of perry who we have to constantly nudge him the right direction to score with Emma or cherry. He would have a way stronger player base here with those changes.
 
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What are the choices for holly_change=3?
When Holly says Lena is pretty, say yes she is (+1).

When Ivy tries to convince Holly to try another dildo, let Holly choose (0).

When talking to Marcel with Holly for the first time, don't pick "She's a writer"(0).

When Ivy wants to give Holly Mark's number, protect Holly (0).

When at Ivy's place with Holly, drink the wine (+1). Also don't let Ivy have sex with Holly (0).

During Holly's nude photoshoot, "nudge Holly" (+1).
 

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The most laughable moment is the dude tries to make it out that he is better than Ian and would be better for her. Like bro... How fucking delusioned are you?
I think that's a fairly common delusion with people imagining what could be while being in unrequited love, not only out of their league but even of incompatible lifestyles, cultures or even unavailable people. If anything it's the whole exaggerated Chad-Cuck universal hierarchy becoming gospel that's rather new to me and sounds unrealistic. Whole point of the INCEL thing is that entertainment and social media overly defined who's desirable, telling the guys they aren't Chads and that the girl next to them isn't... Britney?, and the inevitable day to day frustrations confirmed it. I don't think I'm imagining that European millennials are healthier on average.
 

SerHawkes

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You summed it up perfectly but, it's not even working on himself prior he shouldn't have did it if ur Lena is dating Ian. What I would've done if I was EK after the party when Stan sees Lena is taken he goes for that run he does the next day to work on himself. Lena can still be the reason for his self improvement without our agency basically the opposite of perry who we have to constantly nudge him the right direction to score with Emma or cherry. He would have a way stronger player base here with those changes.
Honestly yeah, having him see Ian with Lena would have been enough to say 'Oh, so she is taken. Maybe I should work on myself a bit. Maybe then she might notice or someone else will.' Instead we get cringe confession time.

And your right, with Stan we can gently encourage him to improve himself where as with Perry it's this constant bullshit shitshow of nagging on him to do something. Honestly don't feel bad for taking Emma away from him. Atleast he as Cherry... Oh... wait...
 
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I think that's a fairly common delusion with people imagining what could be while being in unrequited love, not only out of their league but even of incompatible lifestyles, cultures or even unavailable people. If anything it's the whole exaggerated Chad-Cuck universal hierarchy becoming gospel that's rather new to me and sounds unrealistic. Whole point of the INCEL thing is that entertainment and social media overly defined who's desirable, telling the guys they aren't Chads and that the girl next to them isn't... Britney?, and the inevitable day to day frustrations confirmed it. I don't think I'm imagining that European millennials are healthier on average.
He's a good character, portrayed quite realistically, as an incel. But it's not realistic that he's a LI for Lena. He's at best a side character like Ed the cafe owner.
 

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Stan laying down his sword during confession. Many subreddits were unmoderated that day.
Don't sure about it, after Stan being rejected he ranted on Lena with anti-women statements, which gave me a reason to write him off as a typical 4chan user who hates women because they ignore him. Perry gives more of a "stereotypical redditor" vibe. Annoying, arrogant and whiny snob with social communication issues.
 

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Bi-curious would be the right word.
No it would not be. Holly had a girl before Lena that she had a deep emotional interest in, she is canonically bisexual and clearly identifies as such.
During Holly's nude photoshoot, "nudge Holly" (+1).
Doesn't the nude photoshoot happen after the point in which she needs to decide not to go with Mark at the nightclub?
 

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I wonder if Cindy will get pregnant by Ian on their romance path? She keeps talking about not knowing what she wants, and Eva loves doing "bred by someone she didn't expect" endings, so I could see Cindy's path ending with her becoming a Stay At Home Mom and finding she loves being a mother and traditional housewife.
 

OneShotLarry

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All the writers that Ian and Holly meet are fantasy writers. Are there no Tom Clancy or John Grisham-types in Hierofant's stable of writers?

Why not make Victor White the author of "Jack Reacher-esque" vigilante thrillers, or have Holly be the author of a series of right wing political thrillers where Holly's main character is a CIA hitman who assassinates Middle Eastern terrorists and Russian/North Korean/Chinese warmongers?
 
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