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EK is screwing her game because of people like you.
Brother you're just a cuck clearly you have some trauma which is why you can't see some of the best scenes in this game involve sharing, cheating, & cucking. There are some great LI & MF scenes but the ones that aren't vanilla are just better.

i dont think we will get more development on this tbh, You can make her your GF last update but i dont see how far he can go to swing her over to Seymour, I see more with Jeremy sadly being the only one who fucked her before and u can have more thresome. i wonder tho if there are more who will it be, Robert maybe ?
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Unfortunately probably true but it makes sense no? I remember in a route she's debating if to go meet him or not which imo opens a crack in the door for that but that might just be a route where she's not with Ian. Also I dislike Robert lmao rather not see more of him other male characters are just better rivals.
 
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Seymour: Harvey Weinstein
Arthur: Roman Polanski
Right on!

Going by what we know at the moment, Seymour is a philosophically inclined CEO, who knows what he wants and is more or less top dog of the Baluart region. He definitely has plans and machinations at work cementing his position, but that is not different from amny other CEOs across the world. Also what players like Doom and I mentioned in the dicussion repeatedly, if you are on good terms with Seymour he does things like helping out Lena, when he certainly has no need to. That is not the personality of the Seymour EK described at the beginning, that is a Seymour who might be selfish, wanting even more power, but also a person who can do good if he wants to.
The only hint at the "old" Seymour so far is this strange beggar and I estimate that on paths where a relatively positive depicted Seymour is there, the beggar story will turn out to be long past.
Seymour is the kind of man that only seems to do good when there is long term benefit for him. It is true that for the character that is supposed to be the avatar for corruption his content so far has been pretty tame which may have to do more with the tone of the game than the characterization that EK has for him

But so far, with the exception of Lena's brother showing up and asking for help, he has been the root cause of all financial issues Lena has encountered throughout the game, and if you make a run in which Lena rejects him at any given chance he confesses that he is the one making her life difficult, who made sure nobody will want to hire her (which was pretty obvious but I was surprised he would come out this early) and that he will make it worse if she doesn't play ball, even threatening the café and Ian's future. Which makes me think the "old" Seymour is not that different from the one in his youth, maybe just more capricious as he has grown more entitled, but still a the a selfish manipulator which see people as disposable if they don't do his will
 
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overall ORS seems much more mild to me than GGGB. more complex as well. but when it comes to kink and perversion it seems milder..so yeah Seymour isn't Satan reincarnated... and that's all good in my book.
btw guys, how do you get to have Holly with a tattoo on her ass cheek ?
i am found of physical proof or depravity :D!
 

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Right on!


Seymour is the kind of man that only seems to do good when there is long term benefit for him. It is true that for the character that is supposed to be the avatar for corruption his content so far has been pretty tame which may have to do more with the tone of the game than the characterization that EK has for him

But so far, with the exception of Lena's brother showing up and asking for help, he has been the root cause of all financial issues Lena has encountered throughout the game, and if you make a run in which Lena rejects him at any given chance he confesses that he is the one making her life difficult, who made sure nobody will want to hire her (which was pretty obvious but I was surprised he would come out this early) and that he will make it worse if she doesn't play ball, even threatening the café and Ian's future. Which makes me think the "old" Seymour is not that different from the one in his youth, maybe just more capricious as he has grown more entitled, but still a the a selfish manipulator which see people as disposable if they don't do his will
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I see your points and to a degree I agree with you, but there are differences in the various paths. Also, you misallocate Lena´s early money problems. Lena was poor and had money problems due to sending home cash well before Seymour became aware of her. And on paths where Lena impresses Seymour and the two have a good working relationship, he shows some generosity. He fills the hole her neverdowell brother made in her funds, he covers some rather expensive medical treatments insurance does not and he saves the cafe.
Sure, most of this also aids some of his long term goals, but at least one of these acts nobody expected Seymour to do it in the first place. He could have reached his goals even without doing it. Adding in that on these paths Seymour never did harrass Lena makes him a lot less as... right from the start.
He comes across as a capricious, even spleeny, philosophical businessman (and maybe Lena´s dad), who certainly looks out for his advantage, but can´t that be said about most businessmen? On these paths Seymour is most definitely not a Bond villain, and a big corruptor is very much debatable.
Seymour is busy cementing his position in Baluart and for all corruption he might be responsible for, as far as book publishing goes he is gold compared to this insufferable, arrogant, no talent prick of an alternate publisher option for Ian! While Seymour certainly knows how to skim cream off for himself, he also has an eye for talent. The same cannot be said about that other guy.
 

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I see your points and to a degree I agree with you, but there are differences in the various paths. Also, you misallocate Lena´s early money problems. Lena was poor and had money problems due to sending home cash well before Seymour became aware of her. And on paths where Lena impresses Seymour and the two have a good working relationship, he shows some generosity. He fills the hole her neverdowell brother made in her funds, he covers some rather expensive medical treatments insurance does not and he saves the cafe.
Sure, most of this also aids some of his long term goals, but at least one of these acts nobody expected Seymour to do it in the first place. He could have reached his goals even without doing it. Adding in that on these paths Seymour never did harrass Lena makes him a lot less as... right from the start.
He comes across as a capricious, even spleeny, philosophical businessman (and maybe Lena´s dad), who certainly looks out for his advantage, but can´t that be said about most businessmen? On these paths Seymour is most definitely not a Bond villain, and a big corruptor is very much debatable.
Seymour is busy cementing his position in Baluart and for all corruption he might be responsible for, as far as book publishing goes he is gold compared to this insufferable, arrogant, no talent prick of an alternate publisher option for Ian! While Seymour certainly knows how to skim cream off for himself, he also has an eye for talent. The same cannot be said about that other guy.
Still, when we say that a person does something good, we imply a certain degree of altruism in this action, or at least a motive and calculation in sympathy and further good relations (which is naive IRL, but we are now discussing a character). When Seymour "helps" someone, he always does so out of calculation. When he "helps" Lena, he does so out of lust, perhaps, as the latest chapters show, out of a desire to leave a legacy, as well as a desire to control a beautiful potential starlett. Moreover, from a conversation with Arthur and Seymour's own admission, we know that Lena is far from the first model with whom he has signed an exclusive contract. And he ended things with them because they couldn't "stir his emotions." That is, most likely, they rejected him. This is hinted at by the fact that if Lena mostly refuses to satisfy his fantasies, he will hint at the consequences of breaking the contract. Why would he terminate the contract if, according to him, his goal is to foster talent?

When he "helps" Ian, he does so at least with the intention of benefiting from a best-selling author he has moulded with his own hands, who is completely under his and his publishing house's control. But I don't think that's the end of his motive, especially considering that he always points out Ian's connection to Lena. Let's see what his offer will be after winning the competition, especially when he rigs it and makes Ian the winner in advance in case of cooperation with Lena. Oh, and he's ready to take control of Lena when he knows she and Ian are dating.

We don't know the details of his agreement with Axel, but I don't think it ends with mentoring in photography, especially considering that Axel would very much like Lena to sign a contract with Seymour.

In addition, he profits from gentrification and, in the event of a confrontation with Lena, tries to squeeze Van Dyke out of business. It is also unclear why he wants to meet with Emma. Moreover, if he is her father, as you say, he is also pursuing an incestuous relationship with his daughter. And he wants to install a mayor who will allow him to have complete, unlimited power in the city.

I don't like Victor's temper, but he is honest and wants to give real talent a chance to be heard. Unlike Seymour, who promotes commercial fluff for teenagers, pushing real talent aside. For example, with high Wit, Ian says that Saturn Comes Back Around has little chance of being published by Hierofant because it will be too complex for most of the audience. Victor, on the other hand, would have no problem publishing such a book in his publishing house. And yes, everything in the game indicates that Victor is a talented writer, contrary to your claims, and has a keen eye for talent in others.
 

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Still, when we say that a person does something good, we imply a certain degree of altruism in this action, or at least a motive and calculation in sympathy and further good relations (which is naive IRL, but we are now discussing a character). When Seymour "helps" someone, he always does so out of calculation. When he "helps" Lena, he does so out of lust, perhaps, as the latest chapters show, out of a desire to leave a legacy, as well as a desire to control a beautiful potential starlett. Moreover, from a conversation with Arthur and Seymour's own admission, we know that Lena is far from the first model with whom he has signed an exclusive contract. And he ended things with them because they couldn't "stir his emotions." That is, most likely, they rejected him. This is hinted at by the fact that if Lena mostly refuses to satisfy his fantasies, he will hint at the consequences of breaking the contract. Why would he terminate the contract if, according to him, his goal is to foster talent?

When he "helps" Ian, he does so at least with the intention of benefiting from a best-selling author he has moulded with his own hands, who is completely under his and his publishing house's control. But I don't think that's the end of his motive, especially considering that he always points out Ian's connection to Lena. Let's see what his offer will be after winning the competition, especially when he rigs it and makes Ian the winner in advance in case of cooperation with Lena. Oh, and he's ready to take control of Lena when he knows she and Ian are dating.

We don't know the details of his agreement with Axel, but I don't think it ends with mentoring in photography, especially considering that Axel would very much like Lena to sign a contract with Seymour.

In addition, he profits from gentrification and, in the event of a confrontation with Lena, tries to squeeze Van Dyke out of business. It is also unclear why he wants to meet with Emma. Moreover, if he is her father, as you say, he is also pursuing an incestuous relationship with his daughter. And he wants to install a mayor who will allow him to have complete, unlimited power in the city.

I don't like Victor's temper, but he is honest and wants to give real talent a chance to be heard. Unlike Seymour, who promotes commercial fluff for teenagers, pushing real talent aside. For example, with high Wit, Ian says that Saturn Comes Back Around has little chance of being published by Hierofant because it will be too complex for most of the audience. Victor, on the other hand, would have no problem publishing such a book in his publishing house. And yes, everything in the game indicates that Victor is a talented writer, contrary to your claims, and has a keen eye for talent in others.
Hi!

Some of your points are good, others are dependend on the way we play ORS, for our playthroughs are parallel universes, so to speak. So some things simply do not happen in my/your playthroughs, others do. True altruism is rare and Seymour is just one of many calculating his good deeds. He should do them without all this calculations, but there are a lot of people like him.
I do not say Seymour is a top guy, he has several deep flaws, but he is also not the villain so many players awaited.

As for the former exclusive contractives, the Lena versions who know the modelling business and are not really surprised by what Artur and Seymour tell them. That is part of the business and can happen and on the paths where Lena and Seymour have a good relationship it does not play a big role at all.
The fate of the Van Dyke cafe is very much dependend on our path. In two paths of my playthroughs (maybe more I do not have all playthroughs at the same point) Seymour saves the cafe. The cafe hinges much on how we play our heroes lives.

The book distribution seems to be also dependend on our playthrough and earlier events. I have Ian at max Wits (playing him nerdy, but not hidebound and he trains combat sports) when he has to decide about the books. When it comes to "Saturn", he acknowledges that it is not a masses product, but good and he puts it into Hierophants Special Interest line. That line is for books who will not sell millions of copies, but are attractive to the genre and fringe readers and might even surprise in the long run.
That is pretty much like real life publishers, where the mass stuff pays for the special interest books.

Victor is an arrogant ass much like Seymour can be and in the way he is introduced it seems more like he got lucky once. I give you that he like Seymour has an eye for talent.
 
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Brother you're just a cuck clearly you have some trauma which is why you can't see some of the best scenes in this game involve sharing, cheating, & cucking. There are some great LI & MF scenes but the ones that aren't vanilla are just better.
"Bro", I am not a cuck, I have no trauma, and for the time being there is absolutely no scene in this game involving sharing Lena and Lena cucking Ian, it is just talks and no action, and if you have seen any Lena sharing scenes or cuck scenes, I suggest you stop drugs.
Stopping drugs might help you realize that I am not into vanilla scenes at all, Ian sharing Lena is actually the one thing I have been looking for, and that is never happening. Time for your pills.
 

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Watch Lola become a twist villain in the end :devilish:

edit: also don't forget Ivy. Stirring shit is her MO. She's like the Joker of Baluart
Yeah, I forgot about her. She will cause more drama than Agnes and Gillian for sure. Idk why I even mentioned them. :KEK:
 
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