Saerwen

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Ok I see it now. In 2020 she fully deserved it, so no problem with that. Wonder who took 1st and 2nd place though, because most of the other games I have explored were horseshit.
BADIK but I can't remember what was the other game.
 

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My bad you're a mentally ill cuck lmao who tf is talking about Lena sharing & Lena cucking? I said the best scenes of this game involve those themes. Cindy cucking, Emma sharing, & Alison sharing. Yes there's only role-playing cuck talk with Ian & Lena but no doubt it'll be expanded on in the future. Besides I'm not interested in it I think EK should focus on the best cucking/sharing candidates Emma, Alison & the GOAT THROAT CINDY. If you not into vanilla stfu & stop hopping on every ntr fan's meat here just stfu like a good boy bc we make the game better.
If there's one thing I often take away from this site, it's that NTR brainrot is a real thing. I have nothing against NTR and even play some NTR focused games myself, but some of you legit post like you have negative IQ. It's funny to read though.
 

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Well, Lena doesn't have to be a slut to have sex. Perhaps she'll just get it on with Ivy or with Jeremy or even Billy and the new characters. Lena could possibly also tease people without doing anything overtly sexual and if you do play Lena in a relationship with Ian or Holly I would think sexting opportunities will present themselves just as they did on the beach update.
I also imagine that even if you denied Billy's offer initially you may get the option to join in anyway, in case it turns out the modelling opportunity is genuine.
Then there's the social aspects. The group is different but I imagine there will be interactions similar to being on the beach with the crew two chapters back.
Initially you could refuse to go with Lena. I wonder what you expect on the wholesome path (so in relationship with either or both Ian/Holly). Expecting to have sex in this case is not really "wholesome", neither is teasing them that's slut behavior sorry. Sexting could be done anywhere else, nothing to be excited about this event in particular (you'd rather not go and have sex for real). In the end I think this event is not really exciting for a wholesome path and most people on this path wouldn't even go if it wasn't forced
 

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Am I right in assuming that Patreon bills it´s subcribers on the 1st day of each month?
If so, it should be obvious we´ll not see an update today.
 

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Initially you could refuse to go with Lena. I wonder what you expect on the wholesome path (so in relationship with either or both Ian/Holly). Expecting to have sex in this case is not really "wholesome", neither is teasing them that's slut behavior sorry. Sexting could be done anywhere else, nothing to be excited about this event in particular (you'd rather not go and have sex for real). In the end I think this event is not really exciting for a wholesome path and most people on this path wouldn't even go if it wasn't forced
I don't view wholesome as being in a relationship, well, it's an option of course, but to me it's just a question about not sleeping around with everyone. I guess to me it's just being selective about your sexual pursuits and not compromising with Lena's character (for example no cheating, so no Mike, and no exes) though this is of course a more subjective thing.
But I think there's still room to play around with Lena who is still single, at least I don't view it as being a slut to keep your options open.
 
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Arthur may have been a favourite but he wasn't really a strong villain either. I think with both him and Seymour it comes down to the design of the game's branching narrative, these games try to do both corruption and anti-corruption themes and when you mix that with role-playing elements it becomes hard to write a villain that's actually forceful while still respecting player agency to not feel forced to play certain routes.

In both games you can elect to ignore the villain almost entirely. They still pop up here and there, but Ash doesn't have to entertain Arthur's feigned sorrow nor does Lena have to indulge Seymour's schemes. They can both gain tangible rewards from exploring these characters, but if you care little for the monetary rewards the game presents on these routes, you have little reason to suffer through their content if you dislike the themes.

So either you want that money without cheating, in which case you'd be the kind of player this content was actually intended to challenge, or you enjoy the corruption elements and willfully steer your FMC down this path. In neither case are they strong villains really because one choice actually favors them while the other is a personal compromise.
I would argue otherwise.

There are no villains in GGGB at all. And not because there are no villainous characters, but because nothing is at stake within the VN. You can refuse the offer to join the gang, reject Ethan and not repay your loans, help Arthur drug Iris, cheat (with rare exceptions), etc. without any consequences. And what do we lose if Ash has no money? Nothing, except the inability to buy tattoos, piercings, a car, or breast implants, which isn't that important. The only truly bad endings are related to thugs: death, prison, or addiction. Otherwise, everything is not so bad. And these are the only truly villainous characters, but even they can be avoided.

In ORS, even though you don't have to dance to Seymour's tune, he still influences the narrative and Lena's situation, and potentially Ian's as well. Yes, for now you can manoeuvre around it with the help of the café, Kent, and now Billy, but it still puts Lina in a precarious position that could turn out badly. Yes, Seymour is a poorly written villain, but he is still a villain, because when confronted, something is at stake.
 
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In ORS, even though you don't have to dance to Seymour's tune, he still influences the narrative and Lena's situation, and potentially Ian's as well. Yes, for now you can manoeuvre around it with the help of the café, Kent, and now Billy, but it still puts Lina in a precarious position that could turn out badly. Yes, Seymour is a poorly written villain, but he is still a villain, because when confronted, something is at stake.
Sure, you are right that there are potential consequences yet to be revealed at least. This is an incomplete game after all.

That is where I argue on the balancing point, that Eva wants to let the player get their preferred experience, which is why I don't fear Seymour's impact in the end. That is merely an impression I have though, and speculation of my own based on it. I personally feel somewhat doubtful that the consequences will feel at all dire in the end, but of course we won't know for a while yet.

And I suppose some of the potential consequences could be subjective. You bring up how Ian might be impacted which is true enough, I just happen to not really be invested in his outcome. I will favor my preferred choice with Lena over any potential impact to Ian's side of the route, so I imagine people who feel more invested with Ian might tread more carefully than I.
 

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I would argue otherwise.

There are no villains in GGGB at all. And not because there are no villainous characters, but because nothing is at stake within the VN. You can refuse the offer to join the gang, reject Ethan and not repay your loans, help Arthur drug Iris, cheat (with rare exceptions), etc. without any consequences. And what do we lose if Ash has no money? Nothing, except the inability to buy tattoos, piercings, a car, or breast implants, which isn't that important. The only truly bad endings are related to thugs: death, prison, or addiction. Otherwise, everything is not so bad. And these are the only truly villainous characters, but even they can be avoided.

In ORS, even though you don't have to dance to Seymour's tune, he still influences the narrative and Lena's situation, and potentially Ian's as well. Yes, for now you can manoeuvre around it with the help of the café, Kent, and now Billy, but it still puts Lina in a precarious position that could turn out badly. Yes, Seymour is a poorly written villain, but he is still a villain, because when confronted, something is at stake.
Wasn't Arthur perving/lusting on his own son's girlfriend? That by itself is a RED flag. Ashley can accept his advances/rebuffs him but to say how he's not a villain... o_O He's a Western type of an ugly bastard.
 
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I'll end the discussion.

Arthur deserved a bullet, as does Geymour, Jeremy, Axel, Perry, Wade, Stan, Robert... Mike is chill, sorta.
 

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In ORS, even though you don't have to dance to Seymour's tune, he still influences the narrative and Lena's situation, and potentially Ian's as well. Yes, for now you can manoeuvre around it with the help of the café, Kent, and now Billy, but it still puts Lina in a precarious position that could turn out badly. Yes, Seymour is a poorly written villain, but he is still a villain, because when confronted, something is at stake.
Hi!
Ian is/can only be directly influenced if he is in a relationship with Lena. If he is with Holly, Alison or even Gillian again(seems to becoming an option), he is impacted by a hypothetical confrontation only as a good friend at most. And yes, I only count Alison, Holly, Lena and possilby Gillian as viable long term options for Ian. They are the only ones who like/love Ian for being himself, going by what we see in the latest chapters it seems Gillian recognised what a mistake she made leaving him.
For the others, be it Cindy, Minerva, Emma and whoever else, he is just option B (even C) or a fling.

But back to Lena and Seymour. The big confrontation you seem to dream off can be a total dud or completely avoided. I doubt there will be a confrontation at all on the paths where Lena and Seymour have good relations. This is hinted at on these paths with Seymour being even less a villain than on those you butt heads.
Take the recent photo shot. A high quality, portfolio-building shooting in Rome with a couple days vacationing there, all paid by Seymour and a special necklace as a gift. Oh, the arch villainy involved, how could he!(irony off):)

While there will be some kind of showdown with Seymour, Axel, Mike and whoever else if you butt heads with them repeatedly or constantly, I doubt such a showdown will happen on the paths Ian and Lena have good relations with Seymour.
 
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