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You're getting this game for free on a website that's basically pirating porn games, and complaining that a developer whose game you like is taking longer now at no cost to you.

Be grateful that she is not targeting this website, among hundreds/thousands other developers who get their games pirated off of here. Because if they did, this website would get hit with the worst kind of class action lawsuit that would make all of the people in charge panicking for their lives.

"How dare this person who has been working on this game for so long, take longer to make this game while also making sure the updates end up being bigger, with MORE content per update than before!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad:"

I swear, the entitlement is off the charts here.
1. Eva Kiss has or had an account on here. She is, like most western AVN devs, actively benefitting from the traffic and exposure she gets from this forum as it's an adult game and visibility is already bad for those. And assuming the devs somewhat unite in a imaginary action against F95Z, they'll go broke before anything actually happens. Forum will be rehosted. If it's perma shutdown? Alternatives will pop up to replace it. Eva or any other dev "targeting" this website is a non-issue.

2. It's a board about games, people will rant about anything and everything surrounding the process, including the development. Yall rant about content you don't like, he rants about a development process he doesn't like. It's fair game.

3. He said already he was a patron for Eva for a year or two so he's more entitled than most people to actually make criticism.
 

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What happens in that scene? I have never seen it before.
You got to be cruel to him at every opportunity to get it.

Which is fine because Perry is a piece of shit.

What chapter is this from? I've always been nice to Perry but now I feel like being a total dick to him.
Its actually a hella a lot more fun to be a dick to him.
 

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You got to be cruel to him at every opportunity to get it.

Which is fine because Perry is a piece of shit.
I looked it up on the walkthrough, it seems like all you really need to do is fuck Emma, date her and not setup Cherry with Perry while making sure Wade's relationship with Cindy is 1 or lower.

So, it's not even being unnecessarily cruel to him, just cucking him absolutely with no remorse.

Basically, becoming someone worse than Jeremy, because even Jeremy would at least try to set his friend up, or hell: motivate them.
 
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You're getting this game for free on a website that's basically pirating porn games, and complaining that a developer whose game you like is taking longer now at no cost to you.

Be grateful that she is not targeting this website, among hundreds/thousands other developers who get their games pirated off of here. Because if they did, this website would get hit with the worst kind of class action lawsuit that would make all of the people in charge panicking for their lives.

"How dare this person who has been working on this game for so long, take longer to make this game while also making sure the updates end up being bigger, with MORE content per update than before!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad:"

I swear, the entitlement is off the charts here.
I think you misread my post. I was a pateron for a year. $12 a month/12 months = I paid $144 for this game and in that time it progressed maybe 2 chapters? I think the time its taking is tottally fair considering supporter cost.

It's just like my opinon man. control thy emotions lol. Touch some grass
 

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I think you misread my post. I was a pateron for a year. $12 a month/12 months = I paid $144 for this game and in that time it progressed maybe 2 chapters? I think the time its taking is tottally fair considering supporter cost.

It's just like my opinon man. control thy emotions lol. Touch some grass
I started replaying the game and the later chapters are waaaaaaay longer than the first few chapters. There's way too much content sometimes after all the previous content in the game that makes you want to restart just to see another variation of something.

Point is, the longer a VN game with choices like this one exists, the more branches there'll be and the more time the dev will have to work on. The fact that Eva is working on this solo is nothing short of incredible, with how consistently great the art has been since her previous game.
 

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I looked it up on the walkthrough, it seems like all you really need to do is fuck Emma, date her and not setup Cherry with Perry while making sure Wade's relationship with Cindy is 1 or lower.

So, it's not even being unnecessarily cruel to him, just cucking him absolutely with no remorse.

Basically, becoming someone worse than Jeremy, because even Jeremy would at least try to set his friend up, or hell: motivate them.
I had friends like Perry in uni.

Proto-incel types, who are angry that they can't find anyone, while in reality being their very own undoing. Whiney, not willing to work on themselves, having no interests, trying to leech off their friends, being a fucking parasite, and to top it off, being a garbage friend in general.

I have absolutely no qualms about cock blocking pieces of shit like him in real life or in the game.
 

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I had friends like Perry in uni.

Proto-incel types, who are angry that they can't find anyone, while in reality being their very own undoing. Whiney, not willing to work on themselves, having no interests, trying to leech off their friends, being a fucking parasite, and to top it off, being a garbage friend in general.

I have absolutely no qualms about cock blocking pieces of shit like him in real life or in the game.
I personally don't like being an asshole to people, even if they deserve it. I kinda like Perry in my own way, since he does get better and improve as a person if you set him up with Cherry/Emma, and get him a job at the cafe too. He ends up being grateful to Ian for his friendship, despite not showing it very often.

Even guys like him have their positive sides, and when it's revealed you see a lot more about them that you normally don't.

It's like how Ian's own father said: "Wasted potential". That's what Perry's got against him, but if you help him out...he can get out of his lump of bitterness and be actually a decent human bean. (misspelling intentional kek)
 

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Fuuuuuuuuuuuck replaying ORS and that scene with gifting minerva the necklace and the sex right after is peak hag kino. Im really hoping minerva gets more content and mayhaps we Eva introduces another hag colleague of Minervas to which can possibly lead to a threesome and more....
 
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Fuuuuuuuuuuuck replaying ORS and that scene with gifting minerva the necklace and the sex right after is peak hag kino. Im really hoping minerva gets more content and mayhaps we Eva introduces another hag colleague of Minervas to which can possibly lead to a threesome and more....
Bro is down bad for the bitchy, sexually frustrated MILF. :HideThePain:

pfp checks out, nice one :D
 
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Point is, the longer a VN game with choices like this one exists, the more branches there'll be and the more time the dev will have to work on. The fact that Eva is working on this solo is nothing short of incredible, with how consistently great the art has been since her previous game.
Artemis which is widely considered as one of the best AVNs on this site is made by one single dude who is literally going blind... And he still gets criticism for various things, including long update time, under-delivering,etc.. Our point is: criticism is fair. You don't need to have funded the game yourself to be entitled an opinion either. Eva doesn't need to be coddled up either. She doing fine.
Proto-incel types, who are angry that they can't find anyone, while in reality being their very own undoing. Whiney, not willing to work on themselves, having no interests, trying to leech off their friends, being a fucking parasite, and to top it off, being a garbage friend in general.
I always thought the proto-incels you talk about didn't exist. I grew up among a group of nerds (before it was "trendy") and all we did was sink thousands of hours in MMOs. None of us ever got pussy until after we got our first 'real' jobs after uni and it never was issue, not even a thought. Feels like social media made it too much of a big deal to get some and/or show it off. Maybe it's a NA thing, idk.
 

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Artemis which is widely considered as one of the best AVNs on this site is made by one single dude who is literally going blind... And he still gets criticism for various things, including long update time, under-delivering,etc.. Our point is: criticism is fair. You don't need to have funded the game yourself to be entitled an opinion either. Eva doesn't need to be coddled up either. She doing fine.

I always thought the proto-incels you talk about didn't exist. I grew up among a group of nerds (before it was "trendy") and all we did was sink thousands of hours in MMOs. None of us ever got pussy until after we got our first 'real' jobs after uni and it never was issue, not even a thought. Feels like social media made it too much of a big deal to get some and/or show it off. Maybe it's a NA thing, idk.
A bunch of them got into the bullshit pick up artist stuff. Thought they could get women through some bullshit some schlepp sold them.

But they also actually didn't really like women and mostly blamed women on their own awful personalities and lack of sex.

Bro is down bad for the bitchy, sexually frustrated MILF. :HideThePain:



pfp checks out, nice one :D
Never underestimate a milf.
 

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I just realised that Perry and Robert have something in common.

Robert is a punching bag and Perry is a verbal punching bag for Ian!

Losers flock together.
 
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A bunch of them got into the bullshit pick up artist stuff. Thought they could get women through some bullshit some schlepp sold them.

But they also actually didn't really like women and mostly blamed women on their own awful personalities and lack of sex.
Genuinely feel like a first world problem where people are way too online :BootyTime:

Here it's pretty damn simple: talk to women, if they find you hot they fuck you, if they don't, talk to some more women. Simple. :HideThePain: The concept of 'incel' just doesn't exist cuz if you don't get some, you'll just rub one out or do hookers.

Feels like adding a label to it gave it more meaning than it deserves.
 

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You're getting this game for free on a website that's basically pirating porn games, and complaining that a developer whose game you like is taking longer now at no cost to you.

Be grateful that she is not targeting this website, among hundreds/thousands other developers who get their games pirated off of here. Because if they did, this website would get hit with the worst kind of class action lawsuit that would make all of the people in charge panicking for their lives.
Not trying to interrupt your discussion but wanted to give my 5 cents on this.

Technically speaking, F95 doesn't provide any pirated games. They do provide external links to various websites where these games have been uploaded. The vast majority of these uploads come from Patreon/SS supporters who decided to leak the game. F95 doesn't host any files and the people running this place aren't the ones pirating the games.

While that alone doesn't make F95 immune per se, a class action lawsuit of that magnitude is virtually impossible as there's so many factors to consider. Thousands of developers and even more uploaders all across the globe in god knows how many different countries with their own laws would make it borderline impossible to pursue this. And even if it could be done, the amount of money required to investigate the whole thing far exceeds what all developers combined make in a year.

TLDR; No country on this planet would spend the resources required to go after Patreon porn piracy. IMO.

As for developers going after F95 in general; It's their bread and butter. These games have hardly any places for good PR. I'd say about 99% of AVN devs start their journey on F95&Co and they do need the exposure websites like this offer, otherwise noone would even notice they exist.
 
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