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We agree to disagree. Not only their relationship is the best written when you go love route, they may be a cannon. Eva did a golden thing here, not many games have multiple protagonist(completed), I can't remember what other games have protagonists who can date each other if they exist. I agree that Ian's part is better written than Lena's since her route lack of good male romantic options.
I'm in the minority I guess, who thinks that Holly x Ian is perhaps a bit better than Ian x Lena. And the one thing that brings it down, is the fact that Lena has more screen time with Ian versus Holly and Ian.

I think one of the nice things about it is that Holly can actually meet/interact with Ian's main friend group (Cindy, Wade and Perry) at one of the casual hangouts at Perry & Ian's place and actually being treated like 'one of the gang' by everyone, with even Cindy being friendly to her unlike with Lena. And this is before the trip out to the beach. Their relationship is not as sex-based as Alison's or Lena's and the character development is actually really, really great too for both of them.

This, of course is just my personal opinion obviously.
 

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I'm in the minority I guess, who thinks that Holly x Ian is perhaps a bit better than Ian x Lena. And the one thing that brings it down, is the fact that Lena has more screen time with Ian versus Holly and Ian.

I think one of the nice things about it is that Holly can actually meet/interact with Ian's main friend group (Cindy, Wade and Perry) at one of the casual hangouts at Perry & Ian's place and actually being treated like 'one of the gang' by everyone, with even Cindy being friendly to her unlike with Lena. And this is before the trip out to the beach. Their relationship is not as sex-based as Alison's or Lena's and the character development is actually really, really great too for both of them.

This, of course is just my personal opinion obviously.
Nope it's fine. I like Ian and Holly too, I like him with every female character. I can't forget Mommy Minnie too. :love:
 

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but you do see how ian has it "worse", right? because even recent addition louise has already a love stat.
Hmm Louise is kind of a bad example here, because her whole schtick telegraphed from the start is that she's a psycho-girlfriend who gets attached if you even look her way and smile. Anyone who'd expect her to be just a casual one-night stand without drama had to be utterly blind to how she's been acting the entire game. It's pretty obvious that'd never be an option with her. Even so, you can make a valiant attempt to keep it this way. :sneaky:

Also, i can't say that i view having a choice between casual and romantic (which is the case for most of the others) as "worse" than being limited only to the former. (or only to the latter, for this matter)

I don't even recall if John is added to the agenda for Lena. I would like Eva to feature a few characters with Lena and Ian both that don't get pages there and are just clear sexual options.
From what i remember PilotLara said, agenda is in general the part of the game that gets somewhat neglected since it's considered very low priority. Like, even the pages for characters who are there don't receive updates to reflect in-game plot developments, even thought that's the idea.
 
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Stop before someone quotes you and starts arguing about Robert for the million time:KEK:
Robert is best boy and I'll tell you why in a second
"You can't give him endless one-off partners"
yeah well who said anything about endless? I would be happy with just a few.
Realistically? They will be a repeat of approaching Jess and compared to Lena there isn't much 'variety' you can mix in to spice up his potential hook ups without having to tap into weird unrealistic scenarios. Proximity/history really matters to make Ian's encounters feel 'interesting' and rewarding to pursue as a player. If Louise was just a random bitch Ian meets at the pub instead of Lena's close friend and Jeremy's 'ex', nobody would give a fuck about that encounter.


"Between, Allison, Emma and Holly; its clear that Ian has a lot of girls who have genuinely been in love with him for quite a while."
and here is the flip side, @IlikebeingaDIK. doesn't that fuck up his character design as well? everyone falling in love with the above average dude? i dunno but if you ask me i think for a believable grounded character design, a few random hookups are less detrimental, than the amount of love relationships he already has.
Alison and Holly aside, Ian doesn't have any other character that was in love with him from the get go and while most girls have heart options with him, it takes investment for it to actually devolve into a relationship with them.

As for whether it breaks character design or not: there's a fine line between making a character 'realistic' with some healthy ego preservation in mind and making him REAL. Extremely attractive male MC who does have it easy by virtue of looking good won't be relatable. Average looking MC with average looking male experience won't be rewarding to play as.

'grounded' implies the character is reasonable. A woman like Lena can stumble on bodybuilders, guys with big ass dicks and millionaire sugar daddies, but it's still really fucking rare. Lena found every trope in a month. A IRL version of Ian can have a similar dating experience as his in-game counterpart, he just won't be getting 8 baddies including his married boss, a successful bookwriter and 2 literal models in the span of a month.
 
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They're appealing?

Don't get me wrong, being able to fuck either Alison or Louise is nice and the models are attractive but do people genuinely find romancing Louise or Alison a nice outcome for MC?

They're genuinely insufferable. Like truly unfuckingbearable.

Louise is a pain in the ass, she was a pain in the ass when I only had to deal with her with Lena, she was a pain in the ass during sexting and a pain in the ass after the Ian/Louise hookup. I don't see a world where her pathological jealousy is seen as endearing or appealing. She made me side with Stan for fucks' sake.

Alison is mainly annoying. The "nuh uh, wear a condom" spam gets very old very quickly, especially with her "cum in me but not for real its just a kink bro" which is bordering on manipulative. The "if you don't fuck me your best friend will" dating strat is insufferable. IIRC she calls you when getting spitroasted even when you refuse Jeremy's voyeur path. That's... Not appealing.
I'm not exactly disagreeing with that, but in a porn game, hooking up with annoying girls isn't an issue, since you never get the negative baggage they come in RL and you can peace out whenever you want. By contrast, you can even relish in the crazyness, like putting Louise in her place or shutting Alison up. It's also why Cindy is the most popular girl, you can experience hitting on your friends/bros girlfriend and get a really well done written affair out of it.

To elaborate on my initial point, I found Louise at the beginning a pretty decent friend. She was supportive towards Lena, you could empathize with her trouble with Jeremy early on (before it becomes clear she is also clingy and rash), I'd pick her company over Ivy and Stan when I controlled Lena, she seemed like the best friend of them to support Lena. Her struggle and breakup with Jeremy wasn't exactly her entire fault and Ivy very deliberately baited and sabotaged her.

Of course, then came the what I call the Robert flanderisation, when an initially okay character gets so many negative scenes, dialogue, becomes constantly the joke of someone elses expense and can't be taken seriously by the MCs despite the game designed about being able to make opposite choices. Louise became clingy with Lena regardless of how loyal Lena handled her and Lena always broke up with her. Then Louise started a rushed Ian romance, despite the fact she was initially presented and even described in her character bio as a loyal friend. Its partly amusing to rush in a relationship with her, but currently she is mostly a laughing stock and her relationship is mostly for Ian toying with her. Maybe the love option is genuine, but even in that case the relationship is still rushed, so I wouldn't be surprised if Eva still leads her path with Ian always to ruin, just as with Lena.

With Alison the issue is that Ian never falls in love with her as much as with other girls. He is very casual and nonchalant towards her, the relationship barely progresses and most of the time Alison invites him to complain about her life, giving stupid hints and then fucking. I used to like the Alison romance, nowadays I usually mix her up with Jeremy, because its more engaging watching her becoming more and more hot and desperate trying to win Ian over. She even makes a move in him when he has a girlfriend.
 

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I'm in the minority I guess, who thinks that Holly x Ian is perhaps a bit better than Ian x Lena
Your not, it's just fans of the latter tend to be very loud. It seems to be a running theme ever almost every fandom where fans of lesbian/yuri stuff are obnoxiously vocal about it to the point where it gives the impression that they're the majority.
 

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Spanish definition of "few days" please? Everyone? :rolleyes:

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Well, in Germany we say “das kommt mir spanisch vor” (that seems spanish to me) about things that seem strange to us. You can guess why :HideThePain:
 
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Spanish definition of "few days" please? Everyone? :rolleyes:

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Well, in Germany we say “das kommt mir spanisch vor” (that seems spanish to me) about things that seem strange to us. You can guess why :HideThePain:
Should've hired a German to make this game. (Like you or me. Jk)

But then again it wouldn't have as much passion and it would be too mechanical so...Maybe better off with a S*aniard
 

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What consistency is ST referring to here? That of GGGB or the first 3-4 versions of ORS? Because for years, Eva has been anything but consistent.

Speaking of “she”: the replyer seems to have forgotten that Eva also had a sex change! Damn!:eek:
 
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"Between, Allison, Emma and Holly; its clear that Ian has a lot of girls who have genuinely been in love with him for quite a while."
and here is the flip side, IlikebeingaDIK. doesn't that fuck up his character design as well? everyone falling in love with the above average dude? i dunno but if you ask me i think for a believable grounded character design, a few random hookups are less detrimental, than the amount of love relationships he already has.
All three have known him for quite a long time. And I'd include Cindy as a fourth. So, it makes sense that they would have fallen in love with him at some point.

Tbf, she is pretty hot. But she can't compare to other girls like Lena, Cindy, Ivy. She's on the lower spectrum of hotness, but she's on it.

At the end of the day, it's all a personal preference. Some people like a girl like her, some people don't.
Any girl that lets you take photos of her during sex, plus lets you put up her ass during the first time you fuck. Will be off the scale of hottness. Her being a little crazy, makes her even hotter. You don't have to stick your dick in her, but I still think that her being a little crazy makes her a desirable girl. Sometimes the best looking, most attractive girl physically isn't always the best fuck. Generally its girls with a crazy aura that do.

We agree to disagree. Not only their relationship is the best written when you go love route, they may be a cannon. Eva did a golden thing here, not many games have multiple protagonist(completed), I can't remember what other games have protagonists who can date each other if they exist. I agree that Ian's part is better written than Lena's since her route lack of good male romantic options.
I think its more so that the option to hook up with others diminishes even if you choose not to be exclusive is a problem that I find with doing that playthrough. Also, a poorly written choice is that even when Ian fucks around, but Lena doesn't but is still on their version of OF, he can get all butthurt about it and they can break up over it.

Should've hired a German to make this game. (Like you or me. Jk)

But then again it wouldn't have as much passion and it would be too mechanical so...Maybe better off with a S*aniard
Wouldn't the whole game just take place in a toilet then, given the German predilection for scat...
 
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Hmm Louise is kind of a bad example here, because her whole schtick telegraphed from the start is that she's a psycho-girlfriend who gets attached if you even look her way and smile. Anyone who'd expect her to be just a casual one-night stand without drama had to be utterly blind to how she's been acting the entire game. It's pretty obvious that'd never be an option with her. Even so, you can make a valiant attempt to keep it this way. :sneaky:

Also, i can't say that i view having a choice between casual and romantic (which is the case for most of the others) as "worse" than being limited only to the former. (or only to the latter, for this matter)


From what i remember PilotLara said, agenda is in general the part of the game that gets somewhat neglected since it's considered very low priority. Like, even the pages for characters who are there don't receive updates to reflect in-game plot developments, even thought that's the idea.
yeah you are right, generally seen louise is a bad example. however why my statement still works is because louise is just the most recent addition to possible sex partners. so instead that we could get maybe natasha as casual hookup, or even a new girl alltogether as a one-night-stand, like i want, we get "crazy for attention" louise! it's basically as if i asked evakiss if we can get a casual hookup and she punishes me for asking and does the opposite of a casual hookup.
 
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and here is the flip side, IlikebeingaDIK. doesn't that fuck up his character design as well? everyone falling in love with the above average dude? i dunno but if you ask me i think for a believable grounded character design, a few random hookups are less detrimental, than the amount of love relationships he already has.
Fair point. I don't know that it fucks up Ian's character in of itself really, but it does sort of diminish his romantic narratives and how his old female relationships come across, that between Alison, Holly and Emma, they are now all centered around "unrequited love," imo that wasn't really necessary with Emma either.
 
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Robert is best boy and I'll tell you why in a second

Realistically? They will be a repeat of approaching Jess and compared to Lena there isn't much 'variety' you can mix in to spice up his potential hook ups without having to tap into weird unrealistic scenarios. Proximity/history really matters to make Ian's encounters feel 'interesting' and rewarding to pursue as a player. If Louise was just a random bitch Ian meets at the pub instead of Lena's close friend and Jeremy's 'ex', nobody would give a fuck about that encounter.



Alison and Holly aside, Ian doesn't have any other character that was in love with him from the get go and while most girls have heart options with him, it takes investment for it to actually devolve into a relationship with them.

As for whether it breaks character design or not: there's a fine line between making a character 'realistic' with some healthy ego preservation in mind and making him REAL. Extremely attractive male MC who does have it easy by virtue of looking good won't be relatable. Average looking MC with average looking male experience won't be rewarding to play as.

'grounded' implies the character is reasonable. A woman like Lena can stumble on bodybuilders, guys with big ass dicks and millionaire sugar daddies, but it's still really fucking rare. Lena found every trope in a month. A IRL version of Ian can have a similar dating experience as his in-game counterpart, he just won't be getting 8 baddies including his married boss, a successful bookwriter and 2 literal models in the span of a month.
- "Proximity/history really matters to make Ian's encounters feel 'interesting' and rewarding to pursue as a player. If Louise was just a random bitch Ian meets at the pub instead of Lena's close friend and Jeremy's 'ex', nobody would give a fuck about that encounter."

and a random fuckboy for lena is somehow more interesting?
i'm sure that nobody will throw a tantrum should john never appear on screen again, but people will still like it that john appeared in the first place. the reason for that can be many. one which is most likely the main one, is to make lena slutty.
so the reason why john appears and how interesting he is, has nothing to do what makes his encounter interesting in the slightest.
what this means is that for random bitches for ian, one would just have to write a compelling encounter for her. for example jess didn't have to be jess. she could have just been a random and new to the franchise, porn star meetup and work as impressing jeremy, maybe axel, or create drama for existing relationships of ian. there are a myriad of options that would have worked and there are still a myriad of options to include new random encounters in the future.
in all fairness proximity/history are not needed to make it interesting (at most it is your preference).

- "Extremely attractive male MC who does have it easy by virtue of looking good won't be relatable."

that's the thing. male protagonists are never relateable to me for obvious reasons.
but sure, maybe that just means i am not the target group for this game. though honestly i also never looked at lena and thought "wow! she is just like me!"
generally speaking a character will always have features you won't be able to identify yourself with. and you cannot tell me that a character becomes likeable the more akin they are to me. you don't even know if i like myself!

that's another thing i don't get. in games like MMOs some guys always argue that they can't play female characters, because they are not girls and can only play as themselves. and others can't play male characters because they rather want girl's asses bounce in front of them.
is it so bizzare to play as a character with a defined story? i never play myself in games. i am myself my whole life, why would i want in my hobby of escapism to be myself?
or looking at it from a different perspective. are games with cardboard cutout nobodies as protagonists insulting me? "here look at this entity with no character, no personality and no redeeming quality! that is basically you!" well thanks!

tl;dr: there is no reason to make the protagonist relateable to the player, as a) it is impossible to relate to every player and b) otherwise power fantasies wouldn't work ever, as for example Doom as nobody is like the doom slayer.
 
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