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"Between, Allison, Emma and Holly; its clear that Ian has a lot of girls who have genuinely been in love with him for quite a while."
and here is the flip side, IlikebeingaDIK. doesn't that fuck up his character design as well? everyone falling in love with the above average dude? i dunno but if you ask me i think for a believable grounded character design, a few random hookups are less detrimental, than the amount of love relationships he already has.
All three have known him for quite a long time. And I'd include Cindy as a fourth. So, it makes sense that they would have fallen in love with him at some point.

Tbf, she is pretty hot. But she can't compare to other girls like Lena, Cindy, Ivy. She's on the lower spectrum of hotness, but she's on it.

At the end of the day, it's all a personal preference. Some people like a girl like her, some people don't.
Any girl that lets you take photos of her during sex, plus lets you put up her ass during the first time you fuck. Will be off the scale of hottness. Her being a little crazy, makes her even hotter. You don't have to stick your dick in her, but I still think that her being a little crazy makes her a desirable girl. Sometimes the best looking, most attractive girl physically isn't always the best fuck. Generally its girls with a crazy aura that do.

We agree to disagree. Not only their relationship is the best written when you go love route, they may be a cannon. Eva did a golden thing here, not many games have multiple protagonist(completed), I can't remember what other games have protagonists who can date each other if they exist. I agree that Ian's part is better written than Lena's since her route lack of good male romantic options.
I think its more so that the option to hook up with others diminishes even if you choose not to be exclusive is a problem that I find with doing that playthrough. Also, a poorly written choice is that even when Ian fucks around, but Lena doesn't but is still on their version of OF, he can get all butthurt about it and they can break up over it.

Should've hired a German to make this game. (Like you or me. Jk)

But then again it wouldn't have as much passion and it would be too mechanical so...Maybe better off with a S*aniard
Wouldn't the whole game just take place in a toilet then, given the German predilection for scat...
 
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Hmm Louise is kind of a bad example here, because her whole schtick telegraphed from the start is that she's a psycho-girlfriend who gets attached if you even look her way and smile. Anyone who'd expect her to be just a casual one-night stand without drama had to be utterly blind to how she's been acting the entire game. It's pretty obvious that'd never be an option with her. Even so, you can make a valiant attempt to keep it this way. :sneaky:

Also, i can't say that i view having a choice between casual and romantic (which is the case for most of the others) as "worse" than being limited only to the former. (or only to the latter, for this matter)


From what i remember PilotLara said, agenda is in general the part of the game that gets somewhat neglected since it's considered very low priority. Like, even the pages for characters who are there don't receive updates to reflect in-game plot developments, even thought that's the idea.
yeah you are right, generally seen louise is a bad example. however why my statement still works is because louise is just the most recent addition to possible sex partners. so instead that we could get maybe natasha as casual hookup, or even a new girl alltogether as a one-night-stand, like i want, we get "crazy for attention" louise! it's basically as if i asked evakiss if we can get a casual hookup and she punishes me for asking and does the opposite of a casual hookup.
 
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and here is the flip side, IlikebeingaDIK. doesn't that fuck up his character design as well? everyone falling in love with the above average dude? i dunno but if you ask me i think for a believable grounded character design, a few random hookups are less detrimental, than the amount of love relationships he already has.
Fair point. I don't know that it fucks up Ian's character in of itself really, but it does sort of diminish his romantic narratives and how his old female relationships come across, that between Alison, Holly and Emma, they are now all centered around "unrequited love," imo that wasn't really necessary with Emma either.
 
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Robert is best boy and I'll tell you why in a second

Realistically? They will be a repeat of approaching Jess and compared to Lena there isn't much 'variety' you can mix in to spice up his potential hook ups without having to tap into weird unrealistic scenarios. Proximity/history really matters to make Ian's encounters feel 'interesting' and rewarding to pursue as a player. If Louise was just a random bitch Ian meets at the pub instead of Lena's close friend and Jeremy's 'ex', nobody would give a fuck about that encounter.



Alison and Holly aside, Ian doesn't have any other character that was in love with him from the get go and while most girls have heart options with him, it takes investment for it to actually devolve into a relationship with them.

As for whether it breaks character design or not: there's a fine line between making a character 'realistic' with some healthy ego preservation in mind and making him REAL. Extremely attractive male MC who does have it easy by virtue of looking good won't be relatable. Average looking MC with average looking male experience won't be rewarding to play as.

'grounded' implies the character is reasonable. A woman like Lena can stumble on bodybuilders, guys with big ass dicks and millionaire sugar daddies, but it's still really fucking rare. Lena found every trope in a month. A IRL version of Ian can have a similar dating experience as his in-game counterpart, he just won't be getting 8 baddies including his married boss, a successful bookwriter and 2 literal models in the span of a month.
- "Proximity/history really matters to make Ian's encounters feel 'interesting' and rewarding to pursue as a player. If Louise was just a random bitch Ian meets at the pub instead of Lena's close friend and Jeremy's 'ex', nobody would give a fuck about that encounter."

and a random fuckboy for lena is somehow more interesting?
i'm sure that nobody will throw a tantrum should john never appear on screen again, but people will still like it that john appeared in the first place. the reason for that can be many. one which is most likely the main one, is to make lena slutty.
so the reason why john appears and how interesting he is, has nothing to do what makes his encounter interesting in the slightest.
what this means is that for random bitches for ian, one would just have to write a compelling encounter for her. for example jess didn't have to be jess. she could have just been a random and new to the franchise, porn star meetup and work as impressing jeremy, maybe axel, or create drama for existing relationships of ian. there are a myriad of options that would have worked and there are still a myriad of options to include new random encounters in the future.
in all fairness proximity/history are not needed to make it interesting (at most it is your preference).

- "Extremely attractive male MC who does have it easy by virtue of looking good won't be relatable."

that's the thing. male protagonists are never relateable to me for obvious reasons.
but sure, maybe that just means i am not the target group for this game. though honestly i also never looked at lena and thought "wow! she is just like me!"
generally speaking a character will always have features you won't be able to identify yourself with. and you cannot tell me that a character becomes likeable the more akin they are to me. you don't even know if i like myself!

that's another thing i don't get. in games like MMOs some guys always argue that they can't play female characters, because they are not girls and can only play as themselves. and others can't play male characters because they rather want girl's asses bounce in front of them.
is it so bizzare to play as a character with a defined story? i never play myself in games. i am myself my whole life, why would i want in my hobby of escapism to be myself?
or looking at it from a different perspective. are games with cardboard cutout nobodies as protagonists insulting me? "here look at this entity with no character, no personality and no redeeming quality! that is basically you!" well thanks!

tl;dr: there is no reason to make the protagonist relateable to the player, as a) it is impossible to relate to every player and b) otherwise power fantasies wouldn't work ever, as for example Doom as nobody is like the doom slayer.
 

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Of course, then came the what I call the Robert flanderisation
A lot of characters have ended up this way. Moving from complex, interesting, characters to more one dimensional cutouts. The fact of the matter is it is easier to write characters this way. When trying to juggle as many variables as this game has flanderizing the characters is an easy corner to cut to keep them consistent across all the other variables.

Robert has actually been the most consistent in all honesty, especially in comparison to Ivy, Louise, Stan, and Allison. Even in the early development of ORS he was at best described as a ok one night stand type of fuck by Lena. Lena has also consistently held the belief that he's not particularly improved at giving her pleasure either. He's always been portrayed as a somewhat pathetic character who thinks he's more important than he is. He is slightly above average in many things; looks, self defense, and income; but it's also been clear that he is a charisma vacuum, not particularly intelligent, and that he doesn't have much in the way of mobility.

Compare that to Ivy. She used to be the slut with the heart of gold. Tried to do right by Lena and Holly, but has not become a manipulator and dragging those girls down. Allison's loving path as you said used to be interesting, but then became a repetitive: complains about work > fuck me > ignores clear signs of affection > laments that they're not a couple. I think the foundation of a good genuine romance is there, but there probably should have been more of a progression in their relationship by now. Basically where Cindy and Ian are is where Allison and Ian should also be, probably even more so, since Allison doesn't have to worry about breaking up with someone else.
 

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Compare that to Ivy. She used to be the slut with the heart of gold. Tried to do right by Lena and Holly, but has not become a manipulator and dragging those girls down.
Heart of gold? She was shitting on Miranda for trying to keep in shape and do pole dancing. And Lena can join in on the shit talk as well, which also has a variable added in for some reason.

Upon being aware that Jeremy is taken by Louise, she doesn't really care about it and uses it to keep Jeremy chasing her. Having no intention of ultimately refusing to do something with him, just leading him on to make him suffer.

I think the problem here is that a lot of characters have gradually changed for the better, or worse. Ivy, being who she is: changed for the worse. We don't know what sort of company she keeps most of the time, excluding Axel. The fact that she's all in on doing stupid shit like drunk driving or doing drugs (not even THAT super far ahead in the story) is...well, let's face it: pretty fucking stupid.

Also, we can easily argue that her trying her best to push Lena into doing ORS version of OnlyFans is dragging Lena down. Because guess what? That can actually lead her down a bad path in terms of reputation, being known as a whore does not look good on your resume. It's 9/10 negatively impacting one's career prospects. (Source: actual OF girls irl getting exposed and fired from their jobs)

The issue with Ivy is that while Lena is degrading/upgrading in terms of her character during the story, Ivy is constantly degrading in her path of depravity. Her turning Holly into a full-on town bicycle is just a reflection of that, and guess what? Ivy participates in that as well. What do you think that says about her, as a person?
 
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- "Proximity/history really matters to make Ian's encounters feel 'interesting' and rewarding to pursue as a player. If Louise was just a random bitch Ian meets at the pub instead of Lena's close friend and Jeremy's 'ex', nobody would give a fuck about that encounter."

and a random fuckboy for lena is somehow more interesting?
i'm sure that nobody will throw a tantrum should john never appear on screen again, but people will still like it that john appeared in the first place. the reason for that can be many. one which is most likely the main one, is to make lena slutty.
so the reason why john appears and how interesting he is, has nothing to do what makes his encounter interesting in the slightest.
what this means is that for random bitches for ian, one would just have to write a compelling encounter for her. for example jess didn't have to be jess. she could have just been a random and new to the franchise, porn star meetup and work as impressing jeremy, maybe axel, or create drama for existing relationships of ian. there are a myriad of options that would have worked and there are still a myriad of options to include new random encounters in the future.
in all fairness proximity/history are not needed to make it interesting (at most it is your preference).

- "Extremely attractive male MC who does have it easy by virtue of looking good won't be relatable."

that's the thing. male protagonists are never relateable to me for obvious reasons.
but sure, maybe that just means i am not the target group for this game. though honestly i also never looked at lena and thought "wow! she is just like me!"
generally speaking a character will always have features you won't be able to identify yourself with. and you cannot tell me that a character becomes likeable the more akin they are to me. you don't even know if i like myself!

that's another thing i don't get. in games like MMOs some guys always argue that they can't play female characters, because they are not girls and can only play as themselves. and others can't play male characters because they rather want girl's asses bounce in front of them.
is it so bizzare to play as a character with a defined story? i never play myself in games. i am myself my whole life, why would i want in my hobby of escapism to be myself?
or looking at it from a different perspective. are games with cardboard cutout nobodies as protagonists insulting me? "here look at this entity with no character, no personality and no redeeming quality! that is basically you!" well thanks!

tl;dr: there is no reason to make the protagonist relateable to the player, as a) it is impossible to relate to every player and b) otherwise power fantasies wouldn't work ever, as for example Doom as nobody is like the doom slayer.
This is far too juicy for me to reply during my break.

Gimme a few hours and I'll respond properly as well as explain why Rob is best boy. :BootyTime:
 

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Heart of gold? She was shitting on Miranda for trying to keep in shape and do pole dancing. And Lena can join in on the shit talk as well, which also has a variable added in for some reason.

Upon being aware that Jeremy is taken by Louise, she doesn't really care about it and uses it to keep Jeremy chasing her. Having no intention of ultimately refusing to do something with him, just leading him on to make him suffer.

I think the problem here is that a lot of characters have gradually changed for the better, or worse. Ivy, being who she is: changed for the worse. We don't know what sort of company she keeps most of the time, excluding Axel. The fact that she's all in on doing stupid shit like drunk driving or doing drugs (not even THAT super far ahead in the story) is...well, let's face it: pretty fucking stupid.

Also, we can easily argue that her trying her best to push Lena into doing ORS version of OnlyFans is dragging Lena down. Because guess what? That can actually lead her down a bad path in terms of reputation, being known as a whore does not look good on your resume. It's 9/10 negatively impacting one's career prospects. (Source: actual OF girls irl getting exposed and fired from their jobs)

The issue with Ivy is that while Lena is degrading/upgrading in terms of her character during the story, Ivy is constantly degrading in her path of depravity. Her turning Holly into a full-on town bicycle is just a reflection of that, and guess what? Ivy participates in that as well. What do you think that says about her, as a person?
I would add that Ivy is a danger to anyone who gets close to her. She is corrupting Holly in a way that is neither friendly nor healthy and will try to introduce both Holly and Lena to drugs while she is clearly showing no self-control whatsoever. Ivy is on a crash course to some major drama, and it's better not to be dragged into it with her.
 

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The best reaction to scamming and lazy developers like Eva Kiss My Ass is to share the update here just minutes after it is released. This, of course, assuming that an update is actually released and the game is not on track to be abandoned, as it seems increasingly likely.
 
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It's embarrassing if Eva actually pushes the update to October on purpose to get the extra bag after all the delays and false promises. How many people became a member in September on her patreon thinking that they will play the update in that period of time?! Not cool..
No one knows what happened. It is like Eva is turning into stoper and L&P.
 

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If you are subscribing for a particular update of a game, never do it before it has been released. Just wait until the Patreon tier you would want gets the update and do it then.
 
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